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2018 Beaujolais

#1 Post by R Roberts » September 7th, 2019, 5:36 pm

I see Thivin has started to hit the shelves, so I'm starting a new thread for this vintage and any tasting notes. From William Kelley's early notes (viewtopic.php?p=2746235#p2746235 and viewtopic.php?p=2790524#p2790524), he provided a succinct summary:
In style, the 2018s are supple, fruit-driven and voluptuous, without the extremes of concentration of the 2015s, and often with more succulent fruit than that vintage, too, despite their below average acidities. People who love the mouthwatering liveliness and perfume of Gamay will not gravitate towards the vintage, but it's a fleshy, front-loaded, consumer-friendly vintage that will likely win the region new friends even if it doesn't routinely thrill its old ones.
Maybe these will be delicious now while the earlier vintages continue to rest in the cellar? I'm interesting in hearing any tasting notes or general thoughts on this vintage.
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#2 Post by T. Williams » September 12th, 2019, 6:52 am

Ordered '18 Roilette and Desvignes yesterday. First 2018 bojo's to be added to my cellartracker. I will follow up with first impressions when I crack one open, in November, when I pick them up.

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#3 Post by R Roberts » October 3rd, 2019, 7:31 pm

We opened a 2018 Thivin Cote De Brouilly tonight. Enticing nose, the ripe fruit was front and center, backed by good acidity and some dusty tannin that draws you back to the glass. Its certainly more lush and full than recent years. Not sure what the means for its longevity, but its certainly enjoyable now. I'll be seeking out more 2018's.
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#4 Post by joz€f p1nxten » October 4th, 2019, 12:21 am

Bought Roilette (normale + tardive 2018) at the estate in August. Have ordered also some Bouland to put away as it was not available at the estate. I was impressed by both estates. I will likely keep it at that as I am running out of space.
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#5 Post by James Billy » October 5th, 2019, 1:17 am

Desvignes Morgon is delightful.

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#6 Post by William Kelley » October 5th, 2019, 3:11 am

Have opened a couple of '18s from Métras, Chermette and others over the last couple of weeks and it really is a very friendly vintage. As I wrote in my big report in TWA earlier in the year, the high yields of the vintage did a lot to mitigate the sort of imbalances that can be found in (for example) the sometimes high alcohol, high tannin, low acid 2015s.
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#7 Post by J a y H a c k » October 5th, 2019, 5:42 am

How is Beaujolais these days? I haven't bought any for over a decade and other than some 30 year old bottles at that place in Tampa, I can't remember the last time I had a bottle. I hate banana (one of the few foods I won't eat) and the banana flavors in Beaujolais were just so off-putting that I moved on to other thing, although I have been drinking it on and off since 1967, when they gave us each a 375 in our boxed lunch on the train from Lucerne to Paris. For a 15 year old, that was heaven.

Any good solid producers? Best Cru? I remember liking some Brouilly but DuBoeuf seemed to be the Bronco Wine of France, so I gave up.
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#8 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 5th, 2019, 5:45 am

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How is Beaujolais these days? I haven't bought any for over a decade and other than some 30 year old bottles at that place in Tampa, I can't remember the last time I had a bottle. I hate banana (one of the few foods I won't eat) and the banana flavors in Beaujolais were just so off-putting that I moved on to other thing, although I have been drinking it on and off since 1967, when they gave us each a 375 in our boxed lunch on the train from Lucerne to Paris. For a 15 year old, that was heaven.

Any good solid producers? Best Cru? I remember liking some Brouilly but DuBoeuf seemed to be the Bronco Wine of France, so I gave up.
Funny when I saw that you posted on this thread, my first thought was “why”!

If you are going to wade in, the ones I think you would be most likely to enjoy, are:

Foillard 3.14
Lapierre Cuvee Lapierre
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Thivin CdB - try 2015, more ripe and quite excellent

Not Saxum in scale, but more beefy than most Beaujolais.

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#9 Post by Brad Kane » October 5th, 2019, 5:50 am

The '18 Roilette Tardive was the best I've ever tried from him.
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#10 Post by Joe Chanley » October 22nd, 2019, 6:08 pm

R Roberts wrote:
October 3rd, 2019, 7:31 pm
We opened a 2018 Thivin Cote De Brouilly tonight. Enticing nose, the ripe fruit was front and center, backed by good acidity and some dusty tannin that draws you back to the glass. Its certainly more lush and full than recent years. Not sure what the means for its longevity, but its certainly enjoyable now. I'll be seeking out more 2018's.
this is delicious, particularly after being open for a day.

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#11 Post by Michae1 P0wers » October 23rd, 2019, 5:28 am

I had the regular Roilette last week. I enjoyed it but found it to be at the upper edge of ripeness for my taste. It didn’t venture into 2015 territory; it’s probably more like 2009. 2009s might have been a bit fresher. There’s enough freshness to the fruit, and some complexity with floral notes, but you can feel some alcohol there as well. It will be interesting to see how it evolves with a little time. I like my Beaujolais with a lot of immediate, up front freshness, and while this wasn’t the best example of that quality, I still thought it was a good wine.

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#12 Post by Markus S » October 23rd, 2019, 7:09 am

J a y H a c k wrote:
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... I hate banana (one of the few foods I won't eat) and the banana flavors in Beaujolais were just so off-putting...
No banana in the best of them. Dubeouf was master of the banana plant, but nobody drinks those anymore anyways.
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#13 Post by m. ristev » October 23rd, 2019, 7:21 am

the 2015 lapierre had distinct banana aromas, at least on release
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#14 Post by Glen Gold » October 23rd, 2019, 7:36 am

Has anyone had the 2018 Métras cuvées yet? I'm especially curious about the Fleurie and the Premiere/Deuxieme Mise.
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#15 Post by Jay Miller » October 23rd, 2019, 7:54 am

Markus S wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 7:09 am
J a y H a c k wrote:
October 5th, 2019, 5:42 am
... I hate banana (one of the few foods I won't eat) and the banana flavors in Beaujolais were just so off-putting...
No banana in the best of them. Dubeouf was master of the banana plant, but nobody drinks those anymore anyways.
And IIRC even Duboeuf has stopped using the 71B yeast which caused the banana notes.
Ripe fruit isn't necessarily a flaw.

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#16 Post by William Kelley » October 23rd, 2019, 12:03 pm

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Has anyone had the 2018 Métras cuvées yet? I'm especially curious about the Fleurie and the Premiere/Deuxieme Mise.
Have had the Deuxieme Mise, which is very nice and a step up from 2017 - in a somewhat more muscular register. Fleurie and Fleurie Printemps both lined up for the near future to check in.
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#17 Post by Glen Gold » October 23rd, 2019, 1:07 pm

William Kelley wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 12:03 pm
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October 23rd, 2019, 7:36 am
Has anyone had the 2018 Métras cuvées yet? I'm especially curious about the Fleurie and the Premiere/Deuxieme Mise.
Have had the Deuxieme Mise, which is very nice and a step up from 2017 - in a somewhat more muscular register. Fleurie and Fleurie Printemps both lined up for the near future to check in.
Thank you, WK! I also have the Printemps on deck. My Beaujolais experience is limited, so I'm looking forward to comparing these.

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#18 Post by David_K » October 24th, 2019, 5:49 pm

In the Vinous article posted recently, they remarked that 2017 is "decidedly richer" than 2018, and that the 2018s are fresher and more elegant. This surprised me. Has anyone else found that to be the case? I haven't had any 2018s yet but plan to dip toes in soon.

https://www.vinous.com/articles/beaujol ... t-oct-2019
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#19 Post by Jay Miller » October 25th, 2019, 11:48 am

David_K wrote:
October 24th, 2019, 5:49 pm
In the Vinous article posted recently, they remarked that 2017 is "decidedly richer" than 2018, and that the 2018s are fresher and more elegant. This surprised me. Has anyone else found that to be the case? I haven't had any 2018s yet but plan to dip toes in soon.

https://www.vinous.com/articles/beaujol ... t-oct-2019
Ask me again after November 2 when I'll be attending a 2018 Beaujolais dinner. I'll try and take notes, no guarantees though. Looking forward to it as I've heard some very good things.
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#20 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 25th, 2019, 12:40 pm

Just bought some of the 2018 Bouland Delys cuvée. Love this stuff. The 2017 was excellent.

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#21 Post by Pat Martin » October 25th, 2019, 5:21 pm

Beaujolais is a new found pleasure for me.
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#22 Post by William Kelley » October 25th, 2019, 10:13 pm

David_K wrote:
October 24th, 2019, 5:49 pm
In the Vinous article posted recently, they remarked that 2017 is "decidedly richer" than 2018, and that the 2018s are fresher and more elegant. This surprised me. Has anyone else found that to be the case? I haven't had any 2018s yet but plan to dip toes in soon.

https://www.vinous.com/articles/beaujol ... t-oct-2019
I confess, I was a little surprised to read that, given that 2018 is generally higher in alcohol and lower in acidity than 2017. However, reading the article, I think where Josh (whose work I admire) and I differ is more in our assessment of 2017—which he regards as displaying "in most cases, less energy than the 2015s"—than in our interpretation of the 2018s. While there are certainly some 2017s that nod to powerful and frequently borderline-overripe 2015 vintage in style, and while there are others that are a bit chewier structurally than usual due to the impact of hail, I like 2017 quite a bit as a vintage, and am happy to have more '17s in my cellar than '15s.
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#23 Post by Kris Patten » October 25th, 2019, 10:21 pm

William Kelley wrote:
October 25th, 2019, 10:13 pm
David_K wrote:
October 24th, 2019, 5:49 pm
In the Vinous article posted recently, they remarked that 2017 is "decidedly richer" than 2018, and that the 2018s are fresher and more elegant. This surprised me. Has anyone else found that to be the case? I haven't had any 2018s yet but plan to dip toes in soon.

https://www.vinous.com/articles/beaujol ... t-oct-2019
I confess, I was a little surprised to read that, given that 2018 is generally higher in alcohol and lower in acidity than 2017. However, reading the article, I think where Josh (whose work I admire) and I differ is more in our assessment of 2017—which he regards as displaying "in most cases, less energy than the 2015s"—than in our interpretation of the 2018s. While there are certainly some 2017s that nod to powerful and frequently borderline-overripe 2015 vintage in style, and while there are others that are a bit chewier structurally than usual due to the impact of hail, I like 2017 quite a bit as a vintage, and am happy to have more '17s in my cellar than '15s.
Regardless of admiration, that is a pretty big delta to say 2017 is richer than 2018 especially among professional critics. Are there wines you tasted where this was true, if so, can you jot down a couple?

Appreciate it William.

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#24 Post by William Kelley » October 26th, 2019, 12:04 am

Kris Patten wrote:
October 25th, 2019, 10:21 pm
William Kelley wrote:
October 25th, 2019, 10:13 pm
David_K wrote:
October 24th, 2019, 5:49 pm
In the Vinous article posted recently, they remarked that 2017 is "decidedly richer" than 2018, and that the 2018s are fresher and more elegant. This surprised me. Has anyone else found that to be the case? I haven't had any 2018s yet but plan to dip toes in soon.

https://www.vinous.com/articles/beaujol ... t-oct-2019
I confess, I was a little surprised to read that, given that 2018 is generally higher in alcohol and lower in acidity than 2017. However, reading the article, I think where Josh (whose work I admire) and I differ is more in our assessment of 2017—which he regards as displaying "in most cases, less energy than the 2015s"—than in our interpretation of the 2018s. While there are certainly some 2017s that nod to powerful and frequently borderline-overripe 2015 vintage in style, and while there are others that are a bit chewier structurally than usual due to the impact of hail, I like 2017 quite a bit as a vintage, and am happy to have more '17s in my cellar than '15s.
Regardless of admiration, that is a pretty big delta to say 2017 is richer than 2018 especially among professional critics. Are there wines you tasted where this was true, if so, can you jot down a couple?

Appreciate it William.

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Well, it would be true to say that 2017 is frequently richer in tannin, whereas 2018 is—generally—lower in acidity and richer in alcohol. For me, lower acidity and higher alcohol in the 2018s makes them feel "richer" than most 2017s. Perhaps it's just a question of defining terms. But I think it's best to read the full article. And the conclusion I drew from that is that Josh must have encountered more over-ripe 2017s than I did. It's a selection of wines I liked enough to buy, but 2017s from my cellar from Foillard, J Chammonard, Métras, Sylvain Chanudet, Bouland and Chermette certainly don't display less energy than 2015s and, where I've tasted their 2018 counterparts, are certainly not richer than those wines to my palate.

In the final analysis, however, both 2017 and 2018 are quite ripe, sunny vintages, even if they're quite different in style.
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#25 Post by Kris Patten » October 26th, 2019, 9:02 am

I have read it as a Vinous subscriber and this is the snippet that caught me a bit off guard when discussing the weather, yields and resulting harvest. When Josh says richer along with more dark fruit than normal, that is where I get lost a bit.

"That means more weight and dark fruit than normal and, in most cases, less energy than the 2015s. The 2017s are decidedly richer than their 2018 and 2016 bookends." - JR
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#26 Post by brianmcbrearty » October 26th, 2019, 9:20 am

Yeah, I don't know how to square that either.

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#27 Post by Michae1 P0wers » October 26th, 2019, 11:27 am

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Yeah, I don't know how to square that either.
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#28 Post by Kris Patten » October 26th, 2019, 11:40 am

Josh mailed me and clarified that while he tasted many 2018s side by side with their 2017 counterparts the 17s were darker and the 18s were redder and that he believed low yields in 2017 were a main contributor as well as higher yields giving the redder profile in 18. Hopefully Josh would chime in here.

Ultimately it's a snapshot in time and we will see if it holds true when 2018s have a year in bottle, my guess is it's just a situation where time in bottle will give greater clarity on vintage characteristics and which of the two people prefer.
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#29 Post by m. ristev » October 26th, 2019, 12:43 pm

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Well, it would be true to say that 2017 is frequently richer in tannin, whereas 2018 is—generally—lower in acidity and richer in alcohol. For me, lower acidity and higher alcohol in the 2018s makes them feel "richer" than most 2017s. Perhaps it's just a question of defining terms. But I think it's best to read the full article. And the conclusion I drew from that is that Josh must have encountered more over-ripe 2017s than I did. It's a selection of wines I liked enough to buy, but 2017s from my cellar from Foillard, J Chammonard, Métras, Sylvain Chanudet, Bouland and Chermette certainly don't display less energy than 2015s and, where I've tasted their 2018 counterparts, are certainly not richer than those wines to my palate.

In the final analysis, however, both 2017 and 2018 are quite ripe, sunny vintages, even if they're quite different in style.
a bit off topic but what are your thoughts on the wines of jules metras vs. those of yvon? i have liked what i have tasted in france very much but have yet to try any of the bottles in my cellar...hopefully they made the journey across the atlantic safely.
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#30 Post by William Kelley » October 27th, 2019, 7:21 am

m. ristev wrote:
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a bit off topic but what are your thoughts on the wines of jules metras vs. those of yvon? i have liked what i have tasted in france very much but have yet to try any of the bottles in my cellar...hopefully they made the journey across the atlantic safely.
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#31 Post by William Kelley » October 27th, 2019, 7:24 am

I am really struggling with the notion that the 2017s display "in most cases, less energy than the 2015s", but I guess time will tell.
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#32 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » October 27th, 2019, 7:28 am

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I am really struggling with the notion that the 2017s display "in most cases, less energy than the 2015s", but I guess time will tell.
I’m not in y’alls League, but to me, that’s crazy. I’ve bought and tried quite a bit of both. 2017 has far more snap. The 2015 vintage is more opulent like 2009. I prefer 2017 to both of those ripe vintages, and yet, 2017 is quite ripe as well. At least with the wines that I have tried, 2017 is also more structured.

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#33 Post by Joseph MR » October 28th, 2019, 10:18 am

Joe Chanley wrote:
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We opened a 2018 Thivin Cote De Brouilly tonight. Enticing nose, the ripe fruit was front and center, backed by good acidity and some dusty tannin that draws you back to the glass. Its certainly more lush and full than recent years. Not sure what the means for its longevity, but its certainly enjoyable now. I'll be seeking out more 2018's.
this is delicious, particularly after being open for a day.
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#34 Post by William Kelley » November 2nd, 2019, 8:37 am

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Has anyone had the 2018 Métras cuvées yet? I'm especially curious about the Fleurie and the Premiere/Deuxieme Mise.
The Printemps is in my glass right now. It's a bit reduced on opening, so responds well to a bit of aeration and time in the glass. Once the reduction blows off, it's dominated by dark berry fruit—mulberries, black raspberries—with hints of peony and cardamon. On the palate, it's medium to full-bodied, textural and enveloping, with a fleshier, broader profile than the 2017, but more completely ripe, powdery tannins, too. Acidity is succulent and the wine is well balanced. From my cellar, I would give this another twelve months, as it's less immediate than the 2017 was at the same age, but bear in mind that my bottles have travelled all of an-hour-and-a-half from the domaine, so your milage may vary further from the source.
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#35 Post by CoryA » November 2nd, 2019, 9:40 pm

2018 Guy Breton Regnie is excellent!
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#36 Post by Brad Kane » November 2nd, 2019, 10:09 pm

I've had the '18 Lapierre- Morgon a couple of times now and it's solid, but I expected more from this vintage.
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