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TN: Piper rare 2002

#1 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 3rd, 2019, 7:41 am

After three bottles in the last week, I realize that I am going to have to slow down, but this is so completely addictive, it is proving hard.

If I think of the continuum, with Krug at one end, sporting richness, complexity and concentration, at the other end is the fragrant light but equally intense Comtes, the Piper is bang in the middle, still with plenty of fragrant lemon peel, iodine and white peach, but some good brioche going on in mid to late palate. Love the finish, gentle and layered and deceptively long.

What I am less sure of, is the slightly vulgar bottling, with all that gold filigree. To be honest all three bottles have their problems; Taittinger and Krug are stupidly large and are hard to store, but at least understated. The Piper much easier to rack, but with that silly gold stuff.
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#2 Post by Neal.Mollen » September 3rd, 2019, 8:25 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 7:41 am
After three bottles in the last week, I realize that I am going to have to slow down, but this is so completely addictive, it is proving hard.

If I think of the continuum, with Krug at one end, sporting richness, complexity and concentration, at the other end is the fragrant light but equally intense Comtes, the Piper is bang in the middle, still with plenty of fragrant lemon peel, iodine and white peach, but some good brioche going on in mid to late palate. Love the finish, gentle and layered and deceptively long.

What I am less sure of, is the slightly vulgar bottling, with all that gold filigree. To be honest all three bottles have their problems; Taittinger and Krug are stupidly large and are hard to store, but at least understated. The Piper much easier to rack, but with that silly gold stuff.
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#3 Post by c fu » September 3rd, 2019, 8:49 am

Felt this wine was way too creamy for me. That brioche hand was heavy
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#4 Post by Ross Jones » September 3rd, 2019, 9:20 am

I've still got a couple of bottles in the cellar. I remember when I first tried a sample a few years back and it blew me away. The first few bottles I had after that were equally awesome.

Unfortunately, the last one that I opened wasn't quite as good for some reason. I'm hoping it was just an "off" bottle but I kept thinking that it was showing some signs of advanced age. I totally get how some people could be put off by the abundance of those creamy, brioche notes as they were much more prominent than I remember in my earlier tastings.

Hopefully those last couple of bottles show well. I'll be sure to report back.

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#5 Post by Anton D » September 3rd, 2019, 9:24 am

My wife and I enjoy the Piper a great deal.

Plus, you can take the bottle apart and make a tiara!

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#6 Post by JLee » September 3rd, 2019, 10:34 am

I'm a fan of this one as well. I've had one off bottle in four or five and that may have been questionable storage. I had to bury my last few because I know I'll regret it when they're gone.

I do feel like an idiot when sitting with the garish bottle in a restaurant but it's not the most tactless thing I've ever done in public [cheers.gif] .
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#7 Post by Kelly Walker » September 3rd, 2019, 4:14 pm

Have gone through several cases over several years of release. Each release being more expensive unfortunately. Have to say I am embarrassed to take this to a restaurant because of the bling. Expect people to think I would follow it up with Caymus 50 or something. Great juice. First bottles purchased in 2012 were $99. A bottle I took to Del Friscos a few years ago was added to the bottle trophy line-up. A perfect steakhouse statement.
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#8 Post by Jeremy Holmes » September 4th, 2019, 12:36 am

Have motored through quite a few of these. Such a crowd pleaser. The dosage is high but cut with a line of minerally acidity. It is complex and mildly exotic.
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#9 Post by Greg K » September 4th, 2019, 6:14 am

Slightly too creamy for me, personally. As for the bottle, it’s not my cup of tea, but I’ve definitely brought it for dinner with girlfriends with good success.
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#10 Post by Jay $$ Winton » September 4th, 2019, 6:18 am

All my bottles have been excellent, one left.
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#11 Post by J a y H a c k » September 4th, 2019, 6:55 am

I bought this from WTSO a few years ago when it was dirt cheap. We then served it blind at a FKALBTG monthly dinner in two flights of two bubblies each:

First Flight:
2002 Pol Roger Champagne Extra Cuvee de Reserve
2002 Pommery Champagne Cuvée Louise Brut

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2002 Piper-Heidsieck Champagne Cuvée Rare
2002 Taittinger Champagne Brut Blanc de Blancs Comtes de Champagne

The Rare got the best reviews of the four, with about 10 people in attendance. It was not blind to me, as the host, and I expected to like the Comtes best, but I preferred the Rare.
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#12 Post by J a y H a c k » September 4th, 2019, 6:56 am

PS - And the Bordello style gold filigree bottle is something else!
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#13 Post by Jerry Hey » September 4th, 2019, 4:26 pm

Only had it once but thoroughly enjoyed it.

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#14 Post by Scott Brunson » September 4th, 2019, 6:25 pm

c fu wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 8:49 am
Felt this wine was way too creamy for me. That brioche hand was heavy
Me too.
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#15 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 25th, 2020, 2:50 pm

Just bought several bottles in the Posner sale after drinking one in mid week. We opened one, and it was perhaps the best of the lot. If the other ones were a 94/95, this one must be a couple of points higher.
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#16 Post by Jay $$ Winton » March 25th, 2020, 2:56 pm

A real crowd pleaser.
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#17 Post by John Glas » March 26th, 2020, 2:31 pm

I believe WTSO had this at a great price years ago.

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#18 Post by J a y H a c k » March 26th, 2020, 9:34 pm

John Glas wrote:
March 26th, 2020, 2:31 pm
I believe WTSO had this at a great price years ago.
Yes, and I bought it, and it was great, and I am very annoyed that I did not buy more. November 2014. One bottle free shipping. $119.99. Most NY places are now in the 160 range/
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#19 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 27th, 2020, 12:01 am

Grapes thanks to 25% sale had it for $108.

The bad news, same vulgar bottle
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#20 Post by Jason T » March 27th, 2020, 12:07 am

Timely note as I’m opening one of these in May for my 5th wedding anniversary - it was a wedding gift to us from her parents. Sounds like I will love it. The good is definitely OTT.
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#21 Post by YLee » March 27th, 2020, 3:11 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 12:01 am
Grapes thanks to 25% sale had it for $108.

The bad news, same vulgar bottle
What a great price
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#22 Post by cjsavino » March 27th, 2020, 3:57 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
March 27th, 2020, 12:01 am
Grapes thanks to 25% sale had it for $108.

The bad news, same vulgar bottle
They need to drop the gold cage.
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#23 Post by John Glas » March 27th, 2020, 6:50 am

Yes, and I bought it, and it was great, and I am very annoyed that I did not buy more. November 2014. One bottle free shipping. $119.99. Most NY places are now in the 160 range/
Thanks for the price update. Always love the free shipping!

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#24 Post by Jay $$ Winton » March 27th, 2020, 7:23 am

Has anyone tried the more recent vintages?
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#25 Post by David Cooper » March 27th, 2020, 9:40 am

Yes. I had the 06 at the Vancouver International Wine Festival. I include a few other notes of wines drank at the same time for context:

2007 Taittinger Champagne Comtes de Champagne Blanc de Blancs Brut - France, Champagne (2/27/2020)
Drank at the Vancouver Wine Fest. A step above the LP Grand Siècle 24 and the PH Rare 2006. Lemon, yeast, bread dough, Granny Smith apple and wet stone nose. Dry orchard fruit and lemon flavours and a long dry finish. (95 pts.)

2008 Laurent-Perrier Champagne Brut - France, Champagne (2/27/2020)
This was fantastic. As good as the 24 Grand Siècle. Delicious textured dry concentrated Champagne. (93 pts.)

NV Laurent-Perrier Champagne Grand Siècle Iteration 24 Grande Cuvée - France, Champagne (2/27/2020)
Very pure orchard fruit and citrus driven wine. I loved it just a notch below the Comtes 07. (93 pts.)

2006 Piper-Heidsieck Champagne Cuvée Rare - France, Champagne (2/27/2020)
Clear medium light yellow. Creamy, Lemon and apple nose, slight oxidation and nice caramel richness. Dry bruised apple flavours and a long rich finish. (92 pts.)

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