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2016 barbaresco buying intentions?

#1 Post by Sh@n A » August 29th, 2019, 9:41 am

With a few 2016s already on the shelves, I have picked out a couple to try: Castello di Nieve, La Ca'Nova Montestefano, Sottimano Pajore, and Produttori Langhe (looking for in-stock barbaresco vs. pre-arrival). Any others that folks would recommend checking out in the < $100? CT has a couple producers it seems difficult to procure in the U.S. (e.g., Olek Bondonio and Giuseppe Cortese).
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#2 Post by joz€f p1nxten » August 29th, 2019, 9:43 am

Picked up a case of Francesco Versio at around 30 EUR per. Used to be winemaker at Giacosa (is he still?). At that price, I thought it worth a try.
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#3 Post by michael ottesen » August 29th, 2019, 9:48 am

La ca' nova Montefico is a good buy too.

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#4 Post by Sh@n A » August 29th, 2019, 10:03 am

michael ottesen wrote:
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La ca' nova Montefico is a good buy too.
Thanks, how does the Montefico vs. Montestefano compare in style? I have generally read the Montestefano is a more structured wine, but have not come across (yet) a more detailed comparison sheet.
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#5 Post by Sh@n A » August 29th, 2019, 10:07 am

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
August 29th, 2019, 9:43 am
Picked up a case of Francesco Versio at around 30 EUR per. Used to be winemaker at Giacosa (is he still?).
From chambers street:
We first met Francesco Versio at Giacosa; he’d started there as cellar master soon after finishing school. As a mutual friend told us, “Bruno recognized Francesco”, meaning that Giacosa thought Francesco was a kindred spirit. When Dante Scaglione left Giacosa, Francesco took over as winemaker. In 2017 he joined Scaglione at Luigi Oddero* – among other temptations, Francesco says that the chance to work with Vigna Rionda was irresistible. One of the other temptations was his new employer’s supportive attitude about Francesco making his own wine; since 2013 he’s been bottling Barbaresco from two tiny family plots, now farmed organically.
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#6 Post by Blair Ridley » August 29th, 2019, 10:26 am

I'm definitely eyeing the 2016s from Moccagatta. I'll probably snag a few bottles from other producers including Sottimano, Cigliuti, Castello di Neive, and Cortese as they roll in too.

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#7 Post by michael ottesen » August 29th, 2019, 12:01 pm

The Montefico is more about finesse &
elegance,and as you said The Montestefano
more structured and more for the long haul

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#8 Post by Rob M » August 29th, 2019, 1:04 pm

I intend to buy a lot of 2016 Barbaresco (and barolo). The early signs of the vintage are very good. I picked up a bottle of the Produttori 2016 Barbaresco normale a few weeks ago and I think it may be the best version of the Produttori normale to-date. Seriously gorgeous wine and well worth opening one now, really beautiful aromatics. For my palate it is a meaningful step-up from the 2015. I see you picked up a bottle of the Langhe '16 - that is also really beautiful imo but based on my memory the Barbaresco is a step up.

I had a bottle of the '16 Ca Nova Montefico recently as well, which was much more austere than the '16 Produttori normale, but it's definitely a powerhouse of a wine. I did not have them side-by-side, but the '16 produttori normale is showing better for now. I have not had the Montestefano.
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#9 Post by Rory K. » August 29th, 2019, 7:41 pm

I'm watching the 2016 Produttori trickle onto California shelves (digitally). If I can find a good price I'll be going for a case of that (which is very, very rare occurrence for me). We'll see if I can push my local Total Wine to order it for something like the 29-31$ price they for the prior vintage. I also really enjoy Ca Nova at that price point. Probably won't buy any other producers
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#10 Post by Sh@n A » September 3rd, 2019, 6:00 pm

I have had a La Ca'Nova Montestefano and Castello di Verduno so far... and wow. I found the La Ca'Nova to be more dense, restrained, elegant with drying tannins, and the CdV to a more rambunctious, lively wine. Two very different wines, but both great values at $30 IMHO. I give the nudge to the La Ca'Nova, and need to work through other '16s!
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#11 Post by John Morris » September 3rd, 2019, 8:10 pm

Rory K. wrote:
August 29th, 2019, 7:41 pm
I'm watching the 2016 Produttori trickle onto California shelves (digitally). If I can find a good price I'll be going for a case of that (which is very, very rare occurrence for me). We'll see if I can push my local Total Wine to order it for something like the 29-31$ price they for the prior vintage.
Good luck. It seems to be $35 and up in '16.
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#12 Post by Joe Chanley » September 4th, 2019, 5:45 am

That seemed to be the case with the 15 as well

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#13 Post by Rory K. » September 4th, 2019, 4:40 pm

John Morris wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 8:10 pm
Rory K. wrote:
August 29th, 2019, 7:41 pm
I'm watching the 2016 Produttori trickle onto California shelves (digitally). If I can find a good price I'll be going for a case of that (which is very, very rare occurrence for me). We'll see if I can push my local Total Wine to order it for something like the 29-31$ price they for the prior vintage.
Good luck. It seems to be $35 and up in '16.
I'm optimistic! Right now California is all $39... but my local TW didn't raise the price when they switched from 14 to 15 (they don't list vintage on the site) so it was 28.79 for six or more. They're out of stock now but I'm crossing my fingers when they reup they don't adjust the price... [oops.gif]
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#14 Post by mike pobega » September 11th, 2019, 3:37 pm

The 2016 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco 'Normale' is crazy good. Just grabbed 6 more. First tine around, $32.95, one week later, $34.95. Same source.


Yes, I Pobega'd it. Don't do that too much (or at all!) with Italian wines....lolol

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#15 Post by Markus S » September 11th, 2019, 5:45 pm

mike pobega wrote:
September 11th, 2019, 3:37 pm
The 2016 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco 'Normale' is crazy good. Just grabbed 6 more. First tine around, $32.95, one week later, $34.95. Same source.


Yes, I Pobega'd it. Don't do that too much (or at all!) with Italian wines....lolol
But how much longer will it stay open? By the end of next year, it'll most likely be in a deep slumber.
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#16 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » September 11th, 2019, 6:43 pm

Saw Mike's note...appreciate the early look. I picked up 6 myself.

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#17 Post by Joe Chanley » September 11th, 2019, 6:58 pm

Drank one last weekend and agree w Mike. Very solid value at $32.99.

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#18 Post by Nathan Smyth » September 11th, 2019, 7:45 pm

Sh@n A wrote:
August 29th, 2019, 10:07 am
From chambers street:

When Dante Scaglione left Giacosa, Francesco took over as winemaker. In 2017 he joined Scaglione at Luigi Oddero...
That sounds like some pretty serious trouble in Paradise.

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#19 Post by Oliver McCrum » September 12th, 2019, 11:45 am

John Morris wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 8:10 pm
Rory K. wrote:
August 29th, 2019, 7:41 pm
I'm watching the 2016 Produttori trickle onto California shelves (digitally). If I can find a good price I'll be going for a case of that (which is very, very rare occurrence for me). We'll see if I can push my local Total Wine to order it for something like the 29-31$ price they for the prior vintage.
Good luck. It seems to be $35 and up in '16.
If we compare this with Burgundy pricing...
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#20 Post by John Morris » September 12th, 2019, 11:48 am

Oliver McCrum wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 11:45 am
John Morris wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 8:10 pm
Rory K. wrote:
August 29th, 2019, 7:41 pm
I'm watching the 2016 Produttori trickle onto California shelves (digitally). If I can find a good price I'll be going for a case of that (which is very, very rare occurrence for me). We'll see if I can push my local Total Wine to order it for something like the 29-31$ price they for the prior vintage.
Good luck. It seems to be $35 and up in '16.
If we compare this with Burgundy pricing...
Indeed. The PdB normale is still great value, even if it's not the steal it was a $22-$24 a few years back.
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#21 Post by David_K » September 12th, 2019, 12:52 pm

I'll try them when I get a chance, but I'm not in any hurry. With the exception of the Produttori crus, these wines don't tend to move that fast.
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#22 Post by R Roberts » September 12th, 2019, 9:48 pm

David_K wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 12:52 pm
I'll try them when I get a chance, but I'm not in any hurry. With the exception of the Produttori crus, these wines don't tend to move that fast.
When do the Produttori crus typically hit the market?
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#23 Post by John Morris » September 12th, 2019, 10:02 pm

David_K wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 12:52 pm
I'll try them when I get a chance, but I'm not in any hurry. With the exception of the Produttori crus, these wines don't tend to move that fast.
The normale accounts for about two-thirds of their total production -- 18,500 cases -- so there's usually enough to go around:
http://www.produttoridelbarbaresco.com/ ... barbaresco
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#24 Post by Joe Chanley » September 13th, 2019, 5:32 am

R Roberts wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 9:48 pm
David_K wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 12:52 pm
I'll try them when I get a chance, but I'm not in any hurry. With the exception of the Produttori crus, these wines don't tend to move that fast.
When do the Produttori crus typically hit the market?
For reference, the 2014 SVDs came out earlier in 2019.

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#25 Post by mike pobega » September 13th, 2019, 5:48 am

Based on what I tasted two nights ago and finished tonight (Coravin), I think the 2015 Pora and the Paje are not to be missed. I will get 6 of each.
I can't imagine these will be anything in the $56 range though...

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#26 Post by Jeff Vaughan » September 15th, 2019, 4:47 am

Mike, where did you taste the 15 Paje and Pora?
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#27 Post by mike pobega » September 15th, 2019, 6:43 am

Jeff, I am assuming, and probably rightly so that the Pora and Paje (2 of my favorites usually) will be amazing. I did not taste them. Sorry for confusion.

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#28 Post by Laurent Gibet » September 15th, 2019, 11:23 am

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#29 Post by Ofer Refaeli » September 17th, 2019, 9:17 am

Produttori Barbaresco 2016 normale - I picked up 3 bt. I love it and will buy more. Recommended !

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#30 Post by derekrusalen » September 17th, 2019, 10:55 am

you ever tried 'Marchesi di Barolo' ?

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#31 Post by lleichtman » September 17th, 2019, 12:01 pm

Produttori Barbaresco 2016 has shown up on our shelves including several single vineyard designations. Bought half a mixed case.
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#32 Post by R0$$ M 0 R R 1 $ 0 N » September 17th, 2019, 12:31 pm

Sh@n A wrote:
August 29th, 2019, 10:07 am
joz€f p1nxten wrote:
August 29th, 2019, 9:43 am
Picked up a case of Francesco Versio at around 30 EUR per. Used to be winemaker at Giacosa (is he still?).
From chambers street:
We first met Francesco Versio at Giacosa; he’d started there as cellar master soon after finishing school. As a mutual friend told us, “Bruno recognized Francesco”, meaning that Giacosa thought Francesco was a kindred spirit. When Dante Scaglione left Giacosa, Francesco took over as winemaker. In 2017 he joined Scaglione at Luigi Oddero* – among other temptations, Francesco says that the chance to work with Vigna Rionda was irresistible. One of the other temptations was his new employer’s supportive attitude about Francesco making his own wine; since 2013 he’s been bottling Barbaresco from two tiny family plots, now farmed organically.
I had visited Francesco a couple of times at Giacosa and stayed in touch. He invited me to visit him at Luigi Oddero in 2017. The wines were stunning. Francesco enthusiastically talked about his own small bottling. I would jump at the opportunity to tasty/buy some. Very talented winemaker and a great, enthusiastic person.

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#33 Post by Sh@n A » September 27th, 2019, 3:44 pm

Can anyone please explain the difference between Giuseppe Cortese Rabaja and the Riserva? I have read online the Riserva has nearly 2x the barrel aging (40 months vs 22 months for the normale, and the Riserva is only made in the best years - it looks like 2016, 2013, and 2011 are the most recent vintages). Are the Riservas more oaky? Is the fruit quality a big step up (even in a 2016)? Is either bottle perceived to be better/worse QPR? I thought this thread on the Riserva was helpful/informative for comparing, what I assume is the Giuseppe style versus Produttori: https://wineberserkers.com/forum/viewto ... e#p2385947

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#34 Post by mike pobega » September 27th, 2019, 4:33 pm

Let me speak further about the 2016 Produttori Barbaresco.
It's hauntingly good. I can't stop thinking of it and in my life, this has only happened maybe 3 times.
Crazy huh?
I bought a case more.

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#35 Post by Markus S » September 27th, 2019, 6:39 pm

mike pobega wrote:
September 27th, 2019, 4:33 pm
Let me speak further about the 2016 Produttori Barbaresco.
It's hauntingly good. I can't stop thinking of it and in my life, this has only happened maybe 3 times.
Crazy huh?
I bought a case more.
Sounds like the Gold Seal of endorsements!
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#36 Post by Sh@n A » October 9th, 2019, 7:46 pm

Sh@n A wrote:
September 27th, 2019, 3:44 pm
Can anyone please explain the difference between Giuseppe Cortese Rabaja and the Riserva? I have read online the Riserva has nearly 2x the barrel aging (40 months vs 22 months for the normale, and the Riserva is only made in the best years - it looks like 2016, 2013, and 2011 are the most recent vintages). Are the Riservas more oaky? Is the fruit quality a big step up (even in a 2016)? Is either bottle perceived to be better/worse QPR? I thought this thread on the Riserva was helpful/informative for comparing, what I assume is the Giuseppe style versus Produttori: https://wineberserkers.com/forum/viewto ... e#p2385947

Thanks
Didn't find this previously, but some more information here:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=121260&p=1874871&hi ... a#p1874118
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#37 Post by Ian Sutton » October 10th, 2019, 9:54 am

modest intentions. Not actively chasing anything, but might pick up the odd bottle in time, or if we head over to Italy next year.

I'm in the nice position that I've got a good amount of nebbiolo in the cellar already, so no huge urgency to top it up.
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#38 Post by Ian Sutton » October 10th, 2019, 9:59 am

derekrusalen wrote:
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you ever tried 'Marchesi di Barolo' ?
In general I'd not recommend them. We've had some good older bottles from when negociants ruled, and they were a big negociant. These days I find neither interest or value in their wines. Very tourism focused at the winery as well. I'd love to see a resurgence, as they still hold a good memory for the prior wines.
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#39 Post by G. Shields » October 16th, 2019, 12:13 am

I’m looking to make an order for some 2016 barbaresco from the Langhe but will be buying blind as wont have chance to taste first.

Does anyone have any experience with wines from Nada Fiorenzo and Cascina Luisin? I’ll also throw Cantina Del Pino into the ring as well. There are hardly any notes on CT for 2016 and so any experience folks may have, overview of critical response, views of accessibility vs aging would be well appreciated!

In general I lean traditional with my Nebbiolo, and am buying to hold though I will probably pop a couple early to try out. Thanks!
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#40 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » October 16th, 2019, 1:51 am

None. We declared "Done" with the 2013 vintage and have stuck to it.

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#41 Post by YLee » October 16th, 2019, 2:07 am

Which wine is "drc" of italy?
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#42 Post by joz€f p1nxten » October 16th, 2019, 2:09 am

YLee wrote:
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Which wine is "drc" of italy?
As in "the best" or "the most expensive"?
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#43 Post by YLee » October 16th, 2019, 2:34 am

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 2:09 am
YLee wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 2:07 am
Which wine is "drc" of italy?
As in "the best" or "the most expensive"?
Most expensive, most reknown/globally recognized because "best" can be matter of opinion.
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#44 Post by Markus S » October 16th, 2019, 6:23 am

YLee wrote:
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Which wine is "drc" of italy?
Does it matter? Buy and drink what you like is what we always say here. [snort.gif]
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#45 Post by joz€f p1nxten » October 16th, 2019, 6:39 am

YLee wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 2:34 am
joz€f p1nxten wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 2:09 am
YLee wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 2:07 am
Which wine is "drc" of italy?
As in "the best" or "the most expensive"?
Most expensive, most reknown/globally recognized because "best" can be matter of opinion.
The following list gives a reasonably good idea of Barolo (excluding Barbaresco), the region I am mainly interested in: https://www.wine-searcher.com/regions-b ... texpensive. Not that it really matters to me...
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#46 Post by YLee » October 16th, 2019, 7:00 am

joz€f p1nxten wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 6:39 am
YLee wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 2:34 am
joz€f p1nxten wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 2:09 am


As in "the best" or "the most expensive"?
Most expensive, most reknown/globally recognized because "best" can be matter of opinion.
The following list gives a reasonably good idea of Barolo (excluding Barbaresco), the region I am mainly interested in: https://www.wine-searcher.com/regions-b ... texpensive. Not that it really matters to me...
Thank you.
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#47 Post by MikeVenezia » October 16th, 2019, 7:19 am

Looks like K&L isn’t getting the 2016 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco in stock until Feb at 39.99 a bottle. Sounds like a must try wine, I’ll have to look around!

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#48 Post by Sh@n A » October 16th, 2019, 8:05 am

anyone going to Chambers tasting next week?
/ @ g r @ \

Marco Maiocco
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Re: 2016 barbaresco buying intentions?

#49 Post by Marco Maiocco » October 16th, 2019, 9:02 am

John Morris wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 11:48 am
Oliver McCrum wrote:
September 12th, 2019, 11:45 am
John Morris wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 8:10 pm


Good luck. It seems to be $35 and up in '16.
If we compare this with Burgundy pricing...
Indeed. The PdB normale is still great value, even if it's not the steal it was a $22-$24 a few years back.
Happy to be able to buy it at my local supermarket @ 20 Euros vat included

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Re: 2016 barbaresco buying intentions?

#50 Post by mike pobega » October 16th, 2019, 3:27 pm

MikeVenezia wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 7:19 am
Looks like K&L isn’t getting the 2016 Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco in stock until Feb at 39.99 a bottle. Sounds like a must try wine, I’ll have to look around!
Glad I grabbed them when I did. I have a cool 13. [cheers.gif]

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