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1983 dunn napa

#1 Post by ybarselah » August 25th, 2019, 8:22 am

not a tasting note as much as a note of admiration. recently picked up a nice cache of pristine older heitz, mayacamas, and dunn napa from the 70s and 80s. local place that hasn't moved since release. fills are great across the board and cracked the 83 dunn napa last night. dark ruby, almost zero bricking. low alcohol, brisk acids, and moderate tannins. green and deep nose of real cabernet. as a burg drinker, i rarely drink cabs of any sort, but this was just so balanced and pure it spoke to me. loved it. age your wines!

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#2 Post by AAgrawal » August 25th, 2019, 9:55 am

The most impressive part of this is that you somehow extracted this cork intact. I have yet to do that with Dunn. Love the wines though.
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#3 Post by Markus S » August 25th, 2019, 10:09 am

Nice post. Man, that cork looks sooo young!
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#4 Post by ybarselah » August 25th, 2019, 10:10 am

Yeah that’s why I took the pic. Fill was mid neck.
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#5 Post by Anton D » August 25th, 2019, 10:32 am

AAgrawal wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 9:55 am
The most impressive part of this is that you somehow extracted this cork intact. I have yet to do that with Dunn. Love the wines though.
So true!

I saw the pic and immediately thought: "Durand."
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#6 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » August 25th, 2019, 10:41 am

ybarselah wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 8:22 am
age your wines!
I don't believe in that philosophy.
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#7 Post by ybarselah » August 25th, 2019, 2:13 pm

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 10:41 am
ybarselah wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 8:22 am
age your wines!
I don't believe in that philosophy.
I still remember a 1982 dunn Howell mountain at one of your ridiculous golf parties at the compound. Epic wine.
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#8 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » August 25th, 2019, 2:31 pm

R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 10:41 am
ybarselah wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 8:22 am
age your wines!
I don't believe in that philosophy.
So when will my 5L of the '87 Howell Mountain be ready, then?

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#9 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » August 25th, 2019, 3:58 pm

ybarselah wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 2:13 pm
R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 10:41 am
ybarselah wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 8:22 am
age your wines!
I don't believe in that philosophy.
I still remember a 1982 dunn Howell mountain at one of your ridiculous golf parties at the compound. Epic wine.
I remember that too. I served that wine blind a number of times. Must have been 11 or 12 years ago.
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#10 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » August 25th, 2019, 4:00 pm

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 2:31 pm
R@y.Tupp@+sch wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 10:41 am
ybarselah wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 8:22 am
age your wines!
I don't believe in that philosophy.
So when will my 5L of the '87 Howell Mountain be ready, then?
I had a bunch of 5L Howell Mountains. Wasn't sure if I would live long enough to open them at maturity, so they went to auction.
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#11 Post by ybarselah » August 25th, 2019, 5:18 pm

Anton D wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 10:32 am
AAgrawal wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 9:55 am
The most impressive part of this is that you somehow extracted this cork intact. I have yet to do that with Dunn. Love the wines though.
So true!

I saw the pic and immediately thought: "Durand."
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#12 Post by Kelly Flynn » September 4th, 2019, 3:22 pm

Is there such a thing as an “over the hill” Dunn? Seriously, either bottling? Though I only go back to 85 with them, every older one has been a heavyweight champ.

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#13 Post by JohnP » September 4th, 2019, 5:15 pm

Those older Dunns are indestructible! I've sourced a few from the 80s and all have been fantastic. 88' was the WOTN upset a couple years ago in a tasting against several big Napa names. Been saving a 85' mag for a special occasion. The bottle is so pretty looking with the painted etched glass.
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#14 Post by John Preston » September 4th, 2019, 5:25 pm

I have some birth year mags. Looking forward to uncorking for family events...

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#15 Post by Richard Albert » September 4th, 2019, 5:40 pm

So where in Napa did the Dunn Napa grapes grow and in whose vineyard?

Hint: If I am not mistaken all, or a significant percentage came from the same vineyard sourced for Phelps Insignia, Viader, Merus, Newton, Pahlmeyer and a few others.
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#16 Post by ybarselah » September 4th, 2019, 6:41 pm

Richard Albert wrote:
September 4th, 2019, 5:40 pm
So where in Napa did the Dunn Napa grapes grow and in whose vineyard?

Hint: If I am not mistaken all, or a significant percentage came from the same vineyard sourced for Phelps Insignia, Viader, Merus, Newton, Pahlmeyer and a few others.
i'm in the woods on these producers and vineyards - can you please fill us in?

as for holding up, i know that howell mountain has the rep of never being ready, but the few i've had from this pristine cellar on the napa bottling have all been good to go - balanced, airy, and with good mature fruit, but not dried. very easy drinking.
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#17 Post by Scott Jameson » September 5th, 2019, 6:44 am

JohnP wrote:
September 4th, 2019, 5:15 pm
Those older Dunns are indestructible! I've sourced a few from the 80s and all have been fantastic. 88' was the WOTN upset a couple years ago in a tasting against several big Napa names. Been saving a 85' mag for a special occasion. The bottle is so pretty looking with the painted etched glass.
If the '85 mag is a Howell Mtn, I suggest you have a back up when you open it. Looking at notes here and on CT, there have obviously been some great bottles enjoyed over the years, but there are a few notes that aren't so glowing. Here's a comment I posted here about 18 months ago … "I've found a disappointing amount of bottle variation in the '85 Dunn Howell Mountain. I bought a case of 750s, 2 mags and a 5L directly from Dunn on release, and I've probably poured more than half down the sink. The bottles didn't taste clean, with dominating flavors of pine resin and turpentine."

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#18 Post by ybarselah » September 5th, 2019, 6:58 am

i wonder if the 1985 napa is similarly affected - i got a few of those with this same lot...
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#19 Post by Scott Jameson » September 5th, 2019, 8:28 am

ybarselah wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 6:58 am
i wonder if the 1985 napa is similarly affected - i got a few of those with this same lot...
In my experience, it was only the Howell Mtn that showed the great bottle variation. I went through a similar quantity of the '85 Napa (minus the 5L) and they were much more consistent. While a typical long-lived Dunn, the '85, at least to me, seemed at it's peak at around 25 years old, or early in this decade. I'd suggest you try one of yours soon.

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#20 Post by Jason T » September 5th, 2019, 8:42 am

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 2:31 pm

So when will my 5L of the '87 Howell Mountain be ready, then?
That will be a great wine for your grandchildren to celebrate their... grandchildren's 21st birthday?
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#21 Post by Richard Albert » September 5th, 2019, 9:05 am

The under the radar stellar vineyard source is in Coombsville, the Caldwell Vineyard.
I believe that vineyard became the first all French clone vineyard in Napa and it was also the regional nursery for ENTAV clones coming from a well known repository in Bordeaux.
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#22 Post by Richard Albert » September 5th, 2019, 9:08 am

I believe the vineyard name showed on the Pahlmeyer label for a few vintages and other than that there was little recognition.
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#23 Post by JohnP » September 5th, 2019, 9:12 am

Scott Jameson wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 6:44 am
JohnP wrote:
September 4th, 2019, 5:15 pm
Those older Dunns are indestructible! I've sourced a few from the 80s and all have been fantastic. 88' was the WOTN upset a couple years ago in a tasting against several big Napa names. Been saving a 85' mag for a special occasion. The bottle is so pretty looking with the painted etched glass.
If the '85 mag is a Howell Mtn, I suggest you have a back up when you open it. Looking at notes here and on CT, there have obviously been some great bottles enjoyed over the years, but there are a few notes that aren't so glowing. Here's a comment I posted here about 18 months ago … "I've found a disappointing amount of bottle variation in the '85 Dunn Howell Mountain. I bought a case of 750s, 2 mags and a 5L directly from Dunn on release, and I've probably poured more than half down the sink. The bottles didn't taste clean, with dominating flavors of pine resin and turpentine."
Thanks for sharing this sucky news. After AG's review on a vertical Dunn HM several months ago, I was super excited. He must have had a great bottle or really likes pine resin :-|
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#24 Post by Richard Albert » September 5th, 2019, 9:23 am

Agreed, I have saved 1984 and 1986 and 1987 Howell Mountain Cabs from that era. A 1986 is on deck as an anniversary wine.
I drank a 1985 Napa a couple of years ago and it was excellent, a shame about the 1985 Howell.
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#25 Post by Scott Jameson » September 5th, 2019, 9:56 am

JohnP wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 9:12 am
Scott Jameson wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 6:44 am
JohnP wrote:
September 4th, 2019, 5:15 pm
Those older Dunns are indestructible! I've sourced a few from the 80s and all have been fantastic. 88' was the WOTN upset a couple years ago in a tasting against several big Napa names. Been saving a 85' mag for a special occasion. The bottle is so pretty looking with the painted etched glass.
If the '85 mag is a Howell Mtn, I suggest you have a back up when you open it. Looking at notes here and on CT, there have obviously been some great bottles enjoyed over the years, but there are a few notes that aren't so glowing. Here's a comment I posted here about 18 months ago … "I've found a disappointing amount of bottle variation in the '85 Dunn Howell Mountain. I bought a case of 750s, 2 mags and a 5L directly from Dunn on release, and I've probably poured more than half down the sink. The bottles didn't taste clean, with dominating flavors of pine resin and turpentine."
Thanks for sharing this sucky news. After AG's review on a vertical Dunn HM several months ago, I was super excited. He must have had a great bottle or really likes pine resin :-|
John, now that I think about it, I recall the etched & painted mags are the Napa bottling and not the Howell Mtn. They are from the Artist Series released in a few years in the mid-80s. I think there were 3 different '85 bottles, each numbered out of 200. Here's an example of the '84 Artist Series https://lelandlittle.com/l/dunn-vineyar ... /lot/3416/ Is your bottle similar ?

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#26 Post by JohnP » September 5th, 2019, 11:03 am

Scott Jameson wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 9:56 am
JohnP wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 9:12 am
Scott Jameson wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 6:44 am
If the '85 mag is a Howell Mtn, I suggest you have a back up when you open it. Looking at notes here and on CT, there have obviously been some great bottles enjoyed over the years, but there are a few notes that aren't so glowing. Here's a comment I posted here about 18 months ago … "I've found a disappointing amount of bottle variation in the '85 Dunn Howell Mountain. I bought a case of 750s, 2 mags and a 5L directly from Dunn on release, and I've probably poured more than half down the sink. The bottles didn't taste clean, with dominating flavors of pine resin and turpentine."
Thanks for sharing this sucky news. After AG's review on a vertical Dunn HM several months ago, I was super excited. He must have had a great bottle or really likes pine resin :-|
John, now that I think about it, I recall the etched & painted mags are the Napa bottling and not the Howell Mtn. They are from the Artist Series released in a few years in the mid-80s. I think there were 3 different '85 bottles, each numbered out of 200. Here's an example of the '84 Artist Series https://lelandlittle.com/l/dunn-vineyar ... /lot/3416/ Is your bottle similar ?
Yep, that's the bottle. I thought it was HM. Anyone try one of these, thoughts?
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#27 Post by ybarselah » September 6th, 2019, 7:21 am

JohnP wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 11:03 am
Scott Jameson wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 9:56 am
JohnP wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 9:12 am


Thanks for sharing this sucky news. After AG's review on a vertical Dunn HM several months ago, I was super excited. He must have had a great bottle or really likes pine resin :-|
John, now that I think about it, I recall the etched & painted mags are the Napa bottling and not the Howell Mtn. They are from the Artist Series released in a few years in the mid-80s. I think there were 3 different '85 bottles, each numbered out of 200. Here's an example of the '84 Artist Series https://lelandlittle.com/l/dunn-vineyar ... /lot/3416/ Is your bottle similar ?
Yep, that's the bottle. I thought it was HM. Anyone try one of these, thoughts?
i got some '84 napa as part of that parcel so will try soon.
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