Which Barolo/Barbaresco should I open?

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Which Barolo/Barbaresco should I open?

#1 Post by Shawn P » August 25th, 2019, 6:45 am

I'd like to pick the brains of all you wine experts! Having a "fine wine" event on Wednesday and I am tasked to bring a bottle; which of the following would be the most "ready" for opening at this stage (August 2019)?

(1) Roagna Paje Barbaresco 2012
(2) Mascarello Monprivato 2012
(3) Elvio Cogno Ravera Barolo 2013
(4) Cavallotto Bricco Boschis Barolo 2013
(5) Produttori Del Barbaresco 2014
(6) Pio Cesare Barolo 2013

don't want to do infanticide especially if it can develop much more. I'm learning towards (4) or (6) since I can buy them where I am at easily; the rest are a bit more expensive to replace....

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#2 Post by Justin S » August 25th, 2019, 7:26 am

Frankly opening any of them would be infanticide so to speak. None of these wines were released more than 2-3 years ago.

That said, sometimes wines will show surprisingly well on release. I’d go with #5 or 6. The produttori is pretty tight last I tasted it, but it’s the least expensive on your list. The Pio Cesare might not yet be shut down.

I’d advise against decanting as that could cause them to shut down too.
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#3 Post by John Morris » August 25th, 2019, 7:42 am

If you have to open any of these, the 2012s are probably more accessible now than the '13s. The '14 Produttori is also probably a good bet.
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#4 Post by Jeff Vaughan » August 25th, 2019, 7:50 am

I’d open the Produttori.
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#5 Post by Shawn P » August 25th, 2019, 8:27 am

thanks all! how about the cavallotto? it might be interesting to try it young and i can just buy a few more if i like it to cellar...
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#6 Post by John Morris » August 25th, 2019, 9:07 am

The Cavallotto showed very well two years ago, but it might well be shut down a bit now.

Whatever you open, report back!
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#7 Post by R. Frankel » August 25th, 2019, 10:09 am

I too would lean towards the PdB. The '13s all risk being tight and tannic at this point. I would look at the '12s as second choices, with a slight lean towards the Roagna. I actually have the '12 Roagna Paje teed up to try soon as I wanted some exposure to the style/vintage. Not sure if I'll get to it before Wednesday.
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#8 Post by Joe W i n o g r a d » August 25th, 2019, 11:25 am

That pdb was quite nice on release though could have closed since. That would also be my pick and I would pnp since it is at risk of closing with a long decant at this age.

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#9 Post by Peter Papay » August 25th, 2019, 12:28 pm

Ugh, why so early? Though call to open any of these bottles prior to their prime drinking window. At gun point I would confer with previous posts and settle for PdB.

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#10 Post by Otto Forsberg » August 25th, 2019, 12:55 pm

John Morris wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 7:42 am
If you have to open any of these, the 2012s are probably more accessible now than the '13s. The '14 Produttori is also probably a good bet.
This, although while the Produttori might be lighter than the surrounding PdB vintages, it still is a rather tightly-knit one and built for the long haul. I'd rather keep it.

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#11 Post by Lonnie F. » August 25th, 2019, 2:14 pm

Shawn,

I just started collecting wines so I don't have anything in my cellar with age. My first strategy for these events is to buy an older bottle from a retailer. I don't know where you live, but winesearcher.com will show you local retailers who have a given wine. You could pick any of the wines you listed, change the vintage and search for a store close to you. They will probably have it in their warehouse so you wouldn't see it on their shelf if you walked through the store. If you buy it tonight, you should be able to pick it up by Wednesday. Pricing is all over the place, but it helps in a pinch.

Since I'm 57, I stopped buying wines to age that are vintage after 2010. I can buy wines from our local wine store to drink soon. I can also find bargains there on older champagne and Spanish reds which I like. I have just started a foray into Winebid.com for older wines. This will enable me to have some older wines to share and for occasional opening with my wife.

Just a couple of thoughts,

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#12 Post by Dennis Atick » August 25th, 2019, 2:24 pm

Another vote for the Produttori. While it has years to go, I very much enjoyed a bottle back in the spring with Holy Grail ribeyes.

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#13 Post by Mikael OB » August 25th, 2019, 2:57 pm

Shawn P wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 8:27 am
thanks all! how about the cavallotto? it might be interesting to try it young and i can just buy a few more if i like it to cellar...
hmm.
Sounds like you are are curious about it, possibly considering buying more. Go for it! Buy at least another one for replacement so you can try it with a bit more age down the road :)

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#14 Post by Mattstolz » August 25th, 2019, 5:11 pm

another vote for Produttori. easiest to replace at a decent price.

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#15 Post by Andrew Hamilton » August 26th, 2019, 12:32 am

Open the PdB and don't even look at the Monprivato!
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#16 Post by Tim Heaton » August 26th, 2019, 6:19 am

Which to open? Treat yourself to a great Champagne. Which is another way of saying that the aforementioned, save the PdB, which will show nicely but not wonderfully, are many, many years away from true enjoyment. Patience isn't always so easy 😔
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#17 Post by John J » August 26th, 2019, 6:20 am

another vote for the Produttori Del Barbaresco 2014
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#18 Post by michael ottesen » August 26th, 2019, 10:17 am

I had the Cavalotto last november and it was gorgeous and very approachable
but that's nine Month Ago.I would open
Produttori or Cavalotto.

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#19 Post by Monica Larner » August 26th, 2019, 2:15 pm

I'd hold onto the Produttori. They rocked 2014.
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#20 Post by mike pobega » August 26th, 2019, 3:12 pm

I have had the Roagna Paje Barbaresco 2012 a few times and with some air, its awesome. Maybe 30 minutes in decanter.

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#21 Post by Kirk.Grant » August 26th, 2019, 4:46 pm

Shawn P wrote:
August 25th, 2019, 6:45 am
I'd like to pick the brains of all you wine experts! Having a "fine wine" event on Wednesday and I am tasked to bring a bottle; which of the following would be the most "ready" for opening at this stage (August 2019)?

(1) Roagna Paje Barbaresco 2012
(2) Mascarello Monprivato 2012
(3) Elvio Cogno Ravera Barolo 2013
(4) Cavallotto Bricco Boschis Barolo 2013
(5) Produttori Del Barbaresco 2014
(6) Pio Cesare Barolo 2013

don't want to do infanticide especially if it can develop much more. I'm learning towards (4) or (6) since I can buy them where I am at easily; the rest are a bit more expensive to replace....

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Shawn, If those are your choices I'd agree with many that the Pio Cesare Barolo 2013 is your best bet. Both the 2012's deserve time and are (in my opinion) most likely to be better wines in the long run. The Cavallotto is so tannic that I'd wait another 4-6 years or longer if possible. The Produttori would be my next choice...based on price more than anything else. To put it into perspective, I'm still not sure the 2006 Monprivato that I have is ready to be fully enjoyed. So that's a wine I'd sit on until it's at least 12-15 years or older from vintage. I've seen a lot of great reviews from the Congo, but knowing it from past vintage experience my guess is that it's going to be a gem in another decade so I'd strongly encourage you to hold onto that as well.
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#22 Post by Shawn P » August 26th, 2019, 6:49 pm

Many thanks for your replies!
Based on a few of your responses and some Cellartracker feedback, I’m leaning towards the roagna 2012. That seems like it could be wonderful with a bit of air being a warmer vintage than 2013. I loved every 2013 I have drunk but they always showed better only at the end so maybe the cavallotto can wait. I’ve tried the Pio Cesare 2013 earlier this year and it was great but took a while to show its greatness. Will report back!
PS: I just realised that the prices for the Roagna Paje 2012 in Singapore [my hometown] are pretty okay since we have Cru World Wine - i realise that the price is even cheaper than what i paid previously! hmm. weird.
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#23 Post by Shawn P » August 28th, 2019, 8:12 am

Opened the Roagna 2012. Excellent. TN here:

On the nose, roses, herbs, licorice, mint, Forest floor, some funky elements, a hint of vanilla, some animal funk. Great acidity and freshness.
On the palate, I got roses, red cherries, licorice, mint, some spices, good funk, a hint of candy, a hint of vanilla, with a rounded and smooth finish. Afterwards there was a hint of cola and stewed fruit with some candied fruit and licorice after a while. Quite elegant and opulent with a great weight of flavour especially on the mid palate. Lovely wine; one of the best Barbarescos I’ve drunk.
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#24 Post by mike pobega » August 28th, 2019, 8:20 am

Thanks for responding back with your choice and result.
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