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WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

#1 Post by Adam Frisch » August 23rd, 2019, 8:02 pm

More than any other grape varietal, I seem to always get a kind of chemical, artificial taste with them, unless I kind of splash on Failla or Lioco etc. But all the everyday Chards I buy are all awful. Oak can muddle things up, but it's not that, it's something else that just feels processed. What is it?
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#2 Post by Howard Cooper » August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm

The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
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#3 Post by brigcampbell » August 23rd, 2019, 11:03 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
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The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Isn't all chablis burgundy but not all Burgundy is chablis?

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#4 Post by RichardFlack » August 23rd, 2019, 11:20 pm

There is nothing ‘wrong‘ with Chardonnay.

As a somewhat neutral grape the winemaker too often plays a larger part in determining the end result.

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#5 Post by RichardFlack » August 23rd, 2019, 11:30 pm

brigcampbell wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 11:03 pm
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm
The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Isn't all chablis burgundy but not all Burgundy is chablis?
Yes but it’s geographically separated further North from the other parts of Burgundy. I think it’s actually closer to Champagne geographically. And it’s stylistically very distinct. But let’s not overthink this!

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#6 Post by Howard Cooper » August 24th, 2019, 3:46 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
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The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Also it can be grown in Champagne
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#7 Post by T. Williams » August 24th, 2019, 3:54 am

The only problem with Chardonnay that I have is that I don’t buy enough of it! I always pass when purchasing wine but then have a glass and realize I need to drink more!

I do know what you mean about a chemical aftertaste. I find that I get a bitter chemical taste with most over chilled, cheap whites. When they warm up a bit is goes away.
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#8 Post by Brian Gilp » August 24th, 2019, 4:26 am

My wife drinks a lot of California Chardonnay and I get the same reaction as the OP in much of it. Not all of it by any means and I am absolutely not saying all Chardonnay or even all California Chardonnay is bad. But there a taste in many that I find completely off putting. I’ve given up trying to figure out what it is from because while it’s more prevalent in the lower price points it’s not consistent there and I have picked it up in the occasional higher end wine from reputable producers.

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#9 Post by mmarcellus » August 24th, 2019, 4:50 am

I have a friend, a casual wine drinker, who intensely dislikes chardonnay. It's not a matter of oak, or anything other than the variety. I've tried giving her subtle, atypical chardonnays (e.g. from the Loire, with no oak) without telling her what it is, and she still consistently hates them. As far as I know, she has no similar issue with other whites, or reds for that matter. So, to the OP's question, it is possible that there's something in chardonnay that a small portion of the population reacts adversely to.
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#10 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » August 24th, 2019, 4:59 am

The problem? It’s not Riesling.
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D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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The problem? It’s not Riesling.
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#12 Post by Adam Frisch » August 24th, 2019, 5:24 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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The problem? It’s not Riesling.
I hear you.
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#13 Post by Otto Forsberg » August 24th, 2019, 5:39 am

mmarcellus wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 4:50 am
I have a friend, a casual wine drinker, who intensely dislikes chardonnay. It's not a matter of oak, or anything other than the variety. I've tried giving her subtle, atypical chardonnays (e.g. from the Loire, with no oak) without telling her what it is, and she still consistently hates them. As far as I know, she has no similar issue with other whites, or reds for that matter. So, to the OP's question, it is possible that there's something in chardonnay that a small portion of the population reacts adversely to.
Chardonnay from Loire is definitely very atypical. Both from the standpoint of Chardonnay and Loire.

I'm not saying they don't exist, since I've had one or two in my life. However, seeing how Chardonnay is nothing more than a minor blending grape in very few appellations there, Loire Chard is something probably as atypical as they come.

Well, perhaps a Bordeaux Chardonnay would be something even more rare. [wow.gif]

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#14 Post by TomHill » August 24th, 2019, 6:18 am

Well...I’ve been told that Chardonnay displays terroir more than any other grape variety. That must be it !! [stirthepothal.gif]
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#15 Post by Kevin Porter » August 24th, 2019, 6:45 am

I have heard that some people are allergic to terroir.

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#16 Post by Marc Hauser » August 24th, 2019, 7:58 am

Adam Frisch wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:02 pm
More than any other grape varietal, I seem to always get a kind of chemical, artificial taste with them, unless I kind of splash on Failla or Lioco etc. But all the everyday Chards I buy are all awful. Oak can muddle things up, but it's not that, it's something else that just feels processed. What is it?
“awful”? Thousands of winemakers can’t be selling, and millions of consumers wouldn’t be buying, “awful” wine.

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#17 Post by Peter Petersen » August 24th, 2019, 8:40 am

Two really good Chards from CA that won't break the bank and are not manipulated: Model Farms ($40) and Kinero ($35).

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#18 Post by larry schaffer » August 24th, 2019, 8:54 am

Adam Frisch wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:02 pm
More than any other grape varietal, I seem to always get a kind of chemical, artificial taste with them, unless I kind of splash on Failla or Lioco etc. But all the everyday Chards I buy are all awful. Oak can muddle things up, but it's not that, it's something else that just feels processed. What is it?
So your descriptors make it challenging to figure out exactly what the issue is here. 'Chemical' to me would be either some kind of fault (VA, EA) or perhaps too much alcohol. 'Processed' to me might mean 'artificial flavors' that are out of whack with what a 'typical' version of the variety might display.

My guess is that what I described is not what you meant - but not sure. Can you explain further please?

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#19 Post by Cris Whetstone » August 24th, 2019, 9:13 am

I'm with Larry. This doesn't sound like an issue with "Chardonnay".
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#20 Post by Joel Pulver » August 24th, 2019, 10:15 am

Try ones not stored in oak barrels

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#21 Post by larry schaffer » August 24th, 2019, 10:17 am

Joel Pulver wrote:
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Try ones not stored in oak barrels
Oak would not lead to medicinal.usually - unless we're talking peaty barrels [drinkers.gif]

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#22 Post by Frank Murray III » August 24th, 2019, 10:18 am

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Two really good Chards from CA that won't break the bank and are not manipulated: Model Farms ($40) and Kinero ($35).
Peter, a second vote on the Model Farm chardonnay. And related are the chard from Kutch (Joanna makes the MF wines, and is Jamie's AW). The Kutch chards are excellent, with both of these producers making pure, acid driven wine.
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#23 Post by RichardFlack » August 24th, 2019, 10:22 am

It’s winemaker then terroir in that order.

Should there be a WTF With Pinot Grigio Thread (substitute Alto Adige for Burgundy)?

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#24 Post by Eric Egan » August 24th, 2019, 10:30 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 3:46 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm
The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Also it can be grown in Champagne
I'd say the problem's not so much that it's grown outside of Burgundy (or Champagne - or the Jura!) but with the people who decide that this is the variety they want to grow, wherever they are in the world, regardless of what they've got to work with. I'm sure there are places it can grow reasonably well, but I suspect that the people who would care enough about this to make a good wine, would end up choosing something that would be better suited to the terroir (etc) anyway...

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#25 Post by larry schaffer » August 24th, 2019, 10:32 am

RichardFlack wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 10:22 am
It’s winemaker then terroir in that order.
This is increasingly becoming the case across the board these days . . .

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#26 Post by John J » August 24th, 2019, 10:48 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm
The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
I do not disagree ... but some do

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#27 Post by J a y H a c k » August 24th, 2019, 10:54 am

Ignore the Cooper behind the curtain. He lives for the ability to complain about wine not made in Burgundy.

I think the answer is that the American palate, especially the American female palate (anyone who disagrees with my guess than 80%+ of all Rombauer Chardonnay is drunk by women can accuse me of sexism), like buttery, oaky and a little bit of apparent sweetness chardonnay. Since that's a relatively easy manipulation and it flies out the door of the retail store, and is also the preferred WBTG offering at many mediocre restaurants, that's what a lot of wineries produce. Can't fault them for wanting to make some money.
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#28 Post by Wes Barton » August 24th, 2019, 10:55 am

Sounds like Adam may be referring to the mass produced supermarket type of Chards, which are often a mockery of wine. Sort of like comparing Coors or Budweiser to beer, though. These are the "unnatural" wines.
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#29 Post by KyleC » August 24th, 2019, 11:17 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
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The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Too bad there's no eyeroll emoji here
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#30 Post by Adam Frisch » August 24th, 2019, 11:20 am

Yes, this was a lower end Chard, for sure. Mass market. Don't even recall what producer, I suppressed it. But a few months back I had Stag's Leap (which was also on the cheaper side, admittedly) - same thing. And numerous other ones. It's what's kept me away from Chards over the years and only by tasting Failla's Big Egg one last year did I dare start buying again to see if it was problem with me.

On of my faults is I can't describe wines as well as many of you. Just don't have that gene that can distinguish 10 different tastes in a wine. I can only describe one or two. But to expand on the description; it as a harshness that reminds me of drinking aspirin. A chemical, medicinal taste.
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#31 Post by Josh Grossman » August 24th, 2019, 11:21 am

John J wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 10:48 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm
The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
I do not disagree ... but some do

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#32 Post by Alan Rath » August 24th, 2019, 12:09 pm

KyleC wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 11:17 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm
The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Too bad there's no eyeroll emoji here
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#33 Post by Alan Rath » August 24th, 2019, 12:12 pm

As has been said, it’s rare to find a supermarket Chardonnay, or even a lower end bottling from a decent producer that’s very good. And I’m as big a burg fan as anyone. But you can find excellent Chardonnay in California (and Oregon). Just have to know where to look.
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#34 Post by Howard Cooper » August 24th, 2019, 12:14 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 3:46 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm
The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Also it can be grown in Champagne
Ok. I will be magnanimous today. Stony a Hill, Mount Eden and a few others can grow it in California. But, Jay, I cannot go as far as Rombauer. Sorry. champagne.gif
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#35 Post by maureen nelson » August 24th, 2019, 12:23 pm

Also remember that good chardonnay (french or otherwise) needs food but doesn’t work with everything. So try a good white burg or chablis with crab or grilled fish with a fruit salsa and give it air and time a d see if you like it any better.

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#36 Post by Sean_S » August 24th, 2019, 1:22 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 12:12 pm
As has been said, it’s rare to find a supermarket Chardonnay, or even a lower end bottling from a decent producer that’s very good. And I’m as big a burg fan as anyone. But you can find excellent Chardonnay in California (and Oregon). Just have to know where to look.
Rare indeed: Probably the only palatable bottle of Chardonnay I've had some safeway was the Clos La Chance which is quite for $11. Its got a great acidic backbone and doesn't fall into the cougar juice category.

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#37 Post by Peter Petersen » August 24th, 2019, 2:36 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 10:18 am
Peter Petersen wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 8:40 am
Two really good Chards from CA that won't break the bank and are not manipulated: Model Farms ($40) and Kinero ($35).
Peter, a second vote on the Model Farm chardonnay. And related are the chard from Kutch (Joanna makes the MF wines, and is Jamie's AW). The Kutch chards are excellent, with both of these producers making pure, acid driven wine.
I’m sure Jamie makes an excellent Chard as well. Haven’t tried it since my wife unsubscribed me from the list after the 2012 summer release.

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#38 Post by TomHill » August 24th, 2019, 2:44 pm

nope
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#39 Post by TomHill » August 24th, 2019, 2:45 pm

TomHill wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 2:44 pm
J a y H a c k wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 10:54 am
Ignore the Cooper behind the curtain. He lives for the ability to complain about wine not made in Burgundy.

I think the answer is that the American palate, especially the American female palate (anyone who disagrees with my guess than 80%+ of all Rombauer Chardonnay is drunk by women can accuse me of sexism), like buttery, oaky and a little bit of apparent sweetness chardonnay. Since that's a relatively easy manipulation and it flies out the door of the retail store, and is also the preferred WBTG offering at many mediocre restaurants, that's what a lot of wineries produce. Can't fault them for wanting to make some money.
OK, Jay...gonna call you on this one. For so many yrs, Rombauer has been the punching bag for over-oaked/fat/buttery/sweet Calif Chard.
Try the Rombauer Carneros Chard ($34) and see if you still say that. Alongside the Kendall-Jackson Proprietier'sReserve Chard for laughs.
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#40 Post by Arv R » August 24th, 2019, 2:51 pm

I guess I'm lucky in that the zaftig, trashy super market Chardonnay is what makes me happy. I had a 17 Sebastiani Chard [North Coast] last week which is probably a B- wine for most critics/berserkers, but I liked it, and realistically, would have been just as happy with oaky Bogle for half the cost. Beringer's PR is probably my favorite of this style.

My well heeled, and better palated, friends keep trying to convince me of the wonders of Burgundy but I never really understand & enjoy it as much. Chablis with shellfish is awesome, but is a narrow use case in our house, and one that might get handled by a Loire white anyways.

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#41 Post by John Glas » August 24th, 2019, 3:23 pm

The problem? It’s not Riesling.
Agree but I still like Chards. I would say if it is a Germany Riesling it has a decant chance of being very drinkable.

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#42 Post by Richard T r i m p i » August 24th, 2019, 4:01 pm

brigcampbell wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 11:03 pm
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm
The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Isn't all chablis burgundy but not all Burgundy is chablis?
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#43 Post by Anton D » August 24th, 2019, 4:08 pm

Adam Frisch wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 5:24 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 4:59 am
The problem? It’s not Riesling.
I hear you.
Maybe Chard with some extra RS?

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Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

#44 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » August 24th, 2019, 4:54 pm

Marc Hauser wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 7:58 am
Adam Frisch wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:02 pm
More than any other grape varietal, I seem to always get a kind of chemical, artificial taste with them, unless I kind of splash on Failla or Lioco etc. But all the everyday Chards I buy are all awful. Oak can muddle things up, but it's not that, it's something else that just feels processed. What is it?
“awful”? Thousands of winemakers can’t be selling, and millions of consumers wouldn’t be buying, “awful” wine.

Maybe you just don’t like it? I don’t like Rhone varietals. I respect them, I just don’t like them. Like Radiohead - I respect the music, I just don’t get it.
...mmm...Barefoot?

...white Zinfandel?

It took me 6 years to get my mom to try my Rosé because of her experience with Matteus in the 70s...

But Radiohead...it’s so nice to see that someone else feels the same.
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Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

#45 Post by GregT » August 24th, 2019, 5:51 pm

Adam Frisch wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:02 pm
More than any other grape variety, I seem to always get a kind of chemical, artificial taste with them, unless I kind of splash on Failla or Lioco etc. But all the everyday Chards I buy are all awful. Oak can muddle things up, but it's not that, it's something else that just feels processed. What is it?
What are some of the everyday Chards? If you're shopping the aisles at Alberstons or Ralphs or Total Wine, you're going to get "processed" Chardonnay just like you'll get processed cheese.

If they're making quantities like millions of bottles, they're going to b,e building to spec, right? So they'll adjust acidity, oak and toast, sugar, and whatever else they need to do to get the basic wine they're looking for.

But Chardonnay is almost always "processed", isn't it? On its own, it's a fairly insipid grape. So it's left on the lees, which may be stirred, it's fermented in oak or aged in oak, it's chaptalized in Burgundy as needed, it's even acidified if needed. When you think of it, what are the immediate flavors and aromas that come to mind? With Sauvignon Blanc you instantly think of grapefruit pith, with Riesling you think of petrol and sulfur, with Chenin Blanc you think of dried grasses - Chardonnay brings up . . . ? Mostly whatever the wine maker did to it.

Doesn't mean there aren't good ones. We don't drink a lot of it but I'm happy to open any number of them, including many from CA.
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Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

#46 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » August 24th, 2019, 7:48 pm

Richard T r i m p i wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 4:01 pm
brigcampbell wrote:
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Howard Cooper wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm
The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Isn't all chablis burgundy but not all Burgundy is chablis?
Oregon. You've been shown the water.

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2017 Jobard Muersault “ Les Poruzots” $150/btl
2017 Jobard Muersault “Charmes” $200/btl

2017 Jobard Bourgogne Blanc $85/btl

2017 Goodfellow “Richard’s Cuvée” Whistling Ridge $50/btl

No brainer(although I am biased). There’s more moderately priced white Burgundy but too much of the pricing is nuts.

For GregT with respect...Chardonnay grape flavors courtesy of good vineyard sites:
Lemon curd, meyer lemon, almond flowers, oyster shells, orchard fruits, stone fruits, star fruit, wintermelon, mint, wet stones, pear tart, quince, yuzu, verbeena, basil, hops, iris, kumquat, apple pie, goose berry(Chardonnay musque clones have plenty of similarity to Sauvignon blanc), crushed gravel, wet wool, seashells, salinity, granny smith apples, coriander, etc.

The Chardonnay is a blank canvas story comes from people whose vineyards are blank canvasses.

There is a world of crappy Chardonnay, but you should venture into the Willamette Valley(and Chablis of course where pricing is still half sane).

Look to:
Bethel Heights
Haden Fig “Juliette”
Cameron
Walter Scott
Arterberry Maresh
Johan
Vincent

...and my wines. For <$30, Cameron, Vincent, Walter Scott, and Goodfellow all produce excellent Chardonnay that is anything but the emphasis of this yhread.
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Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

#47 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » August 24th, 2019, 7:56 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 10:32 am
RichardFlack wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 10:22 am
It’s winemaker then terroir in that order.
This is increasingly becoming the case across the board these days . . .

Cheers.
Ugh...Seriously, try some Willamette Valley chardonnays.

Or Rhys, or Kutch.
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Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

#48 Post by Jayson Cohen » August 24th, 2019, 9:05 pm

Marc Hauser wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 7:58 am
Adam Frisch wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:02 pm
More than any other grape varietal, I seem to always get a kind of chemical, artificial taste with them, unless I kind of splash on Failla or Lioco etc. But all the everyday Chards I buy are all awful. Oak can muddle things up, but it's not that, it's something else that just feels processed. What is it?
“awful”? Thousands of winemakers can’t be selling, and millions of consumers wouldn’t be buying, “awful” wine.

Maybe you just don’t like it? I don’t like Rhone varietals. I respect them, I just don’t like them. Like Radiohead - I respect the music, I just don’t get it.
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Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

#49 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » August 24th, 2019, 9:48 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 12:14 pm
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 3:46 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:14 pm
The only issue with Chardonnay is that it is grown outside Burgundy and Chablis.
Also it can be grown in Champagne
Ok. I will be magnanimous today. Stony a Hill, Mount Eden and a few others can grow it in California. But, Jay, I cannot go as far as Rombauer. Sorry. champagne.gif
I have drunk Chateau Montelena Estate, Stony Hill and Rhys Horseshoe all in the last three days. Not a dog in the bunch. It's been a while since having had Rombauer (thankfully). Let's just leave that one out. But there are plenty of other California and Oregon Vintners that know their way around the Chardonnay grape. And plenty of regions outside Burgundy produce some very fine juice.
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Re: WTF is the problem with Chardonnay?

#50 Post by Rory K. » August 24th, 2019, 11:30 pm

Adam Frisch wrote:
August 24th, 2019, 11:20 am
Yes, this was a lower end Chard, for sure. Mass market. Don't even recall what producer, I suppressed it. But a few months back I had Stag's Leap (which was also on the cheaper side, admittedly) - same thing. And numerous other ones. It's what's kept me away from Chards over the years and only by tasting Failla's Big Egg one last year did I dare start buying again to see if it was problem with me.

On of my faults is I can't describe wines as well as many of you. Just don't have that gene that can distinguish 10 different tastes in a wine. I can only describe one or two. But to expand on the description; it as a harshness that reminds me of drinking aspirin. A chemical, medicinal taste.
Ughh that aspirin flavor has put me off more than a few low to mid range sparklers.

That said, if I'm not mistaken there are quite a few additives allowed in the US that might be more apparent to some than others, and because of Chardonnay's place in the market maybe they are more common with that variety. People are always surprised that producers can use so many different chemicals and treatments without mentioning on the label. Of course people have different thresholds to detect certain flavors so that can explain it...
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