TNs: 2004 Ch. Pontet Canet, 2003 Joguet Clos de la Dioterie

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Re: TNs: 2004 Ch. Pontet Canet, 2003 Joguet Clos de la Dioterie

#51 Post by Rudi Finkler » August 20th, 2019, 9:32 am

Greg K wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 7:45 pm
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August 18th, 2019, 7:38 pm
Sorry Greg, I really didn’t mean to suggest that, but reading my post again, I see where you can infer that. My apologies. I see that Buecker is at 89-90. His palate is excellent, and he’s calling this a B+ or barely an A. Not a great divide between us. And I cannot discount some bottle variation, especially since I did not buy this wine on release.
No apology necessary! Just calibrating the rating systems, that’s all. [cheers.gif]
A senseless endeavor, Greg. All wine ratings systems are nonsense. :-)
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Re: TNs: 2004 Ch. Pontet Canet, 2003 Joguet Clos de la Dioterie

#52 Post by Greg K » August 21st, 2019, 1:08 pm

K John Joseph wrote:
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It was a joke.
Ah ha.
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#53 Post by ChristopherSK » August 22nd, 2019, 3:42 pm

Robert, based upon the previous times that I have had the 2004 PC I suspect that it needed another 3 hours (or possibly more) to decant to get it to a sweet spot. I am not touching my 2004 PCs as they will be better starting around 2022.
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#54 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 22nd, 2019, 6:56 pm

ChristopherSK wrote:
August 22nd, 2019, 3:42 pm
Robert, based upon the previous times that I have had the 2004 PC I suspect that it needed another 3 hours (or possibly more) to decant to get it to a sweet spot. I am not touching my 2004 PCs as they will be better starting around 2022.
I don’t agree on the first point, since I did follow it over two nights, but perhaps you are right on the second point. Only time will tell. Given the drying I experienced, I’m not convinced. I hope you are right.

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#55 Post by ChristopherSK » August 23rd, 2019, 8:18 am

Robert, certainly not trying to "censor" your opinion. Its certainly valued as I (and many others) need to figure out when to drink our 2004 PC's.
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#56 Post by A S K R O B A C K » September 4th, 2019, 5:27 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
August 18th, 2019, 5:16 pm
The 2003 Joguet Chinon Clos de la Dioterie was a disaster, went straight down the sink. Like rotten bell peppers and stewed tomatoes. No redeeming quality whatsoever. I assumed a bottle that have been exposed to heat, but the bottle itself, and the cork and label, were quite pristine. No sign of heat damage or seepage whatsoever. I had the identical experience with three, back-to-back bottles of 2003 Couly Chinon Clos de l’Echo, over the last 18 months. Same thing, seemingly perfect bottles, totally stewed. I cannot comment on whether 2003 Chinon was a roaster like some other regions of France, having only had good (excellent, actually) bottles of Rougeard and Baudry’s Franc de Pied, the latter twice from Racines in NYC.
Robert, I had actually just had this the other night. I had forgotten you posted on this recntly or I would have be more careful to post an actual note. From memory, I had better luck than you. My bottle was an OK mature wine - not stewed like yours - but neither was it what an 18 year old from this producer and vineyard should be. I think yours may have been heat damaged. You could say mine was heat damaged only in the sense that the vintage heat drove away all Loire Cab Franc varietal characterisics that I like and left a "Meh - ok to have a second glass if there is nothing else" experience. [cheers.gif]
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#57 Post by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ » September 15th, 2019, 8:42 am

Popped an 05 Joguet cdld on Friday. Excellent showing and gained steam after a 45 min decant. Was expecting a younger showing but hitting that rule of 15 spot right meow.

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#58 Post by John Morris » September 15th, 2019, 9:28 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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I cannot comment on whether 2003 Chinon was a roaster like some other regions of France, having only had good (excellent, actually) bottles of Rougeard and Baudry’s Franc de Pied, the latter twice from Racines in NYC.
The heat and drought definitely hit the Loire. Tours, near Chinon, had 11 days where the high was over 95F/35C, and another three where the high was over 85F/30C. One day it hit 103.6F/39.8C, and another day it was 99F/37.3C. The mean high in August generally is about 78F.

Even in Nantes, near the mouth of the Loire, and near Muscadet, it got to 102F one day.

There's weather data for that summer here.
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Re: TNs: 2004 Ch. Pontet Canet, 2003 Joguet Clos de la Dioterie

#59 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 15th, 2019, 9:48 am

Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡ wrote:
September 15th, 2019, 8:42 am
Popped an 05 Joguet cdld on Friday. Excellent showing and gained steam after a 45 min decant. Was expecting a younger showing but hitting that rule of 15 spot right meow.
Thanks for circling back on that one, Faryan. That wine was huge on release. Time to pull them out of storage!

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