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Just hit the 1K milestone

#1 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 9th, 2019, 6:46 pm

Just hit 1,000 bottles of inventory in CT after buying a few mags from Envoyer today. Not sure if I should head down the mountain or keep climbing. Storage bursting at the seams...time to join the Wine Watchers monthly reduction plan on the other thread?

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#2 Post by GregT » August 9th, 2019, 6:51 pm

Which direction were you going? I've been over that for a long time but it's kept kind of steady, although we've had to up our weekly consumption.
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#3 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 9th, 2019, 6:52 pm

GregT wrote:
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Which direction were you going? I've been over that for a long time but it's kept kind of steady, although we've had to up our weekly consumption.
I’m on the way up. First time at this amount.

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#4 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 9th, 2019, 7:03 pm

On behalf of the Over-Indulgence Committee (OIC), I approve wholeheartedly.

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#5 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 9th, 2019, 7:05 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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On behalf of the Over-Indulgence Committee (OIC), I approve wholeheartedly.
Such a bad influence. Your post is Ovid the top!

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#6 Post by GregT » August 9th, 2019, 7:11 pm

I’m on the way up. First time at this amount.
Perfect. Stop, look around, take in the view and keep climbing! [cheers.gif]
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#7 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 9th, 2019, 7:13 pm

GregT wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:11 pm
I’m on the way up. First time at this amount.
Perfect. Stop, look around, take in the view and keep climbing! [cheers.gif]
It’s like making your first million. The second is much easier. 2k by close of year.

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#8 Post by Frank Murray III » August 9th, 2019, 7:17 pm

Dude, that is a lot of wine. At some point, are you concerned your palate is gonna shift? Will you have bottles you may not want to pop into anymore?
My WOTY candidates for 2019:
2014 Marie Courtin Eloquence BdB Extra Brut
2017 Rivers-Marie PN Platt SC
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#9 Post by T. Melloni » August 9th, 2019, 7:22 pm

Congratulations.
That is a large quantity of wine. I hope you get to enjoy every bottle, shared with family and friends.
But not all at once. Please, take your time.
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#10 Post by C Chen » August 9th, 2019, 7:39 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
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Dude, that is a lot of wine. At some point, are you concerned your palate is gonna shift? Will you have bottles you may not want to pop into anymore?
This is exactly why I don't buy in large quantities, unless the wine is really that special (which is rare). Even when I buy 50-100 bottles over a moderately short period of time, I still end up with plenty of bottles that I'm not too excited to own, no matter how reasonable the purchase seemed at the time.

1,000 wines can be awesome for OP. Unfortunately, I'm just too fickle to be happy. [cheers.gif]
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#11 Post by GregT » August 9th, 2019, 7:49 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
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Dude, that is a lot of wine. At some point, are you concerned your palate is gonna shift? Will you have bottles you may not want to pop into anymore?
Why would this happen absent some medical emergency? I've been drinking wine for over 30 years and still look forward to drinking the earliest wines I purchased for aging. I've learned about more wines over the years, but that's just like having more girlfriends. Doesn't mean you have to give up your first love. flirtysmile
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Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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On behalf of the Over-Indulgence Committee (OIC), I approve wholeheartedly.
Second!
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#13 Post by J a y H a c k » August 9th, 2019, 8:04 pm

Charlie Carnes wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:53 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:03 pm
On behalf of the Over-Indulgence Committee (OIC), I approve wholeheartedly.
Second!
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#14 Post by Rich Brown » August 9th, 2019, 8:20 pm

Who has two thumbs and thinks you should keep buying more wine....
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#15 Post by Scott Watkins » August 9th, 2019, 8:40 pm

I fought a good battle for a while and lost so welcome to the club [cheers.gif]
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#16 Post by Rich Brown » August 9th, 2019, 8:54 pm

On a serious note, it literally happens so fast. You get get on a few lists, actively/obsessively check this site, click your heels, and there's no looking back.

And I can whole heartedly say that I have:
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#17 Post by josh bryer » August 9th, 2019, 9:55 pm

Nice work. I also just hit the 1k mark in the last few months...

To the previous note about shifting palates, you never know, but I figure if you've been drinking wine long enough your palate has generally settled. For myself, I'm almost 20 years into collecting, drinking and learning about wine and I definitely had a palate shift towards the old-world more AFWE side of the spectrum at some point earlier on. Hopefully by now it's a done deal and any further shifts are more subtle....if not, though I don't plan to sell my wine (maybe my kids will) that's always an option.

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#18 Post by Adam Frisch » August 9th, 2019, 9:59 pm

I would go on a massive bender if I were you.
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#19 Post by c fu » August 9th, 2019, 10:51 pm

C Chen wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:39 pm
Frank Murray III wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:17 pm
Dude, that is a lot of wine. At some point, are you concerned your palate is gonna shift? Will you have bottles you may not want to pop into anymore?
This is exactly why I don't buy in large quantities, unless the wine is really that special (which is rare). Even when I buy 50-100 bottles over a moderately short period of time, I still end up with plenty of bottles that I'm not too excited to own, no matter how reasonable the purchase seemed at the time.

1,000 wines can be awesome for OP. Unfortunately, I'm just too fickle to be happy. [cheers.gif]
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#20 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 10th, 2019, 3:14 am

1000 wines at Fu pricing is 500k!

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#21 Post by Jim Stewart » August 10th, 2019, 4:03 am

congratulations AND commiserations
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#22 Post by Sh@n A » August 10th, 2019, 4:32 am

What is in the cellar? Top regions, producers, vintages etc?
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#23 Post by Jay Miller » August 10th, 2019, 4:33 am

Jim Stewart wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 4:03 am
congratulations AND commiserations

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#24 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » August 10th, 2019, 4:51 am

It's a matter of perspective and goals. 1000 bottles doesn't seem like a huge amount if you are aging a good percentage of that, enjoy a fairly broad range of regions and grapes, and sometimes buy more than 1 or 2 of things you like. Consumption is also a factor. If you stopped buying right now, how long with that 1K last? Age enters into the evaluation as well.

I wouldn't worry too much about tastes changing unless you just started out or are purchasing quantities of extreme styles. Most well made, balanced wines with reasonable acid are always useful even if your favorites/go-to's shift. For instance, we no longer love Bordeaux as much as we used to, so we don't buy it anymore. But we're still quite happy to pull a nice aged example from what we have cellared when the meal is right.

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#25 Post by Brian Gilp » August 10th, 2019, 5:06 am

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August 10th, 2019, 4:51 am
It's a matter of perspective and goals. 1000 bottles doesn't seem like a huge amount if you are aging a good percentage of that, enjoy a fairly broad range of regions and grapes, and sometimes buy more than 1 or 2 of things you like. Consumption is also a factor. If you stopped buying right now, how long with that 1K last? Age enters into the evaluation as well.

I wouldn't worry too much about tastes changing unless you just started out or are purchasing quantities of extreme styles. Most well made, balanced wines with reasonable acid are always useful even if your favorites/go-to's shift. For instance, we no longer love Bordeaux as much as we used to, so we don't buy it anymore. But we're still quite happy to pull a nice aged example from what we have cellared when the meal is right.
What she said. Having passed 1000 a while back and having gone through a preference shift after having done so, I don’t see the issue. Most of those become things that we drink and enjoy when in the mood which just happens to be way less often. For the few bottles that are just too OTT now, well they get packed and brought with me when we vacation with friends who still like that style.

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#26 Post by John S » August 10th, 2019, 5:11 am

I just hit the under 1k for the first time in 15 years. I would never give advice on this as it all depends on your drinking consumption, $$ availability, interests etc. I drink less than I used to and my spouse no longer drinks. Plus I am moving in 2 years so slugging that stuff is a PITA and storage will be a real issue then. Wine prices for a decent amount of what I own have gone thru the roof and I'd rather spend that $$ on overseas family trips etc.

I find the majority of the time I am happy drinking new wines to me in the under $40 category. Quite a few of my "older" long term collecting friends are in the same boat but certainly not all. I was over 5k bottles for a while there.

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#27 Post by Mattstolz » August 10th, 2019, 5:29 am

well time to decide that you're gonna try your hand at importing/distributing now for a while.

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#28 Post by Frank Murray III » August 10th, 2019, 6:49 am

GregT wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:49 pm
Frank Murray III wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:17 pm
Dude, that is a lot of wine. At some point, are you concerned your palate is gonna shift? Will you have bottles you may not want to pop into anymore?
Why would this happen absent some medical emergency? I've been drinking wine for over 30 years and still look forward to drinking the earliest wines I purchased for aging. I've learned about more wines over the years, but that's just like having more girlfriends. Doesn't mean you have to give up your first love. flirtysmile
I don't understand the medical emergency part, Greg. Can you clarify?

All I was trying to say was that this happened to me as I was filling my cellar in that I realized one day had wine in it that I no longer wanted to drink, that the style had passed me by. Looking back now, I ended up selling it all off and I am glad I made that decision. I don't want to be the wet blanket for Scott but was asking b/c of what I had been through.
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2014 Marie Courtin Eloquence BdB Extra Brut
2017 Rivers-Marie PN Platt SC
2017 Kutch Pinot Noir SC PN
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut
2017 Carlisle Zin Mancini Ranch RRV

My best wines of 2018:
2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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#29 Post by John S » August 10th, 2019, 7:33 am

Everyone's palate changes as they explore all the world of wine has to offer. And while it is a PITA, when/if that happens and if one has excess it is fairly straightforward to sell those and move on. This assumes it is not absolute swill and can not be sold. One needs to be willing to take a loss on some (or many) things but it helps to fund what one likes today regardless.

I know quite a few people who have had that happen and then refuse to sell at a loss. They then spend years drinking a ton of wine they really no longer care much for.
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#30 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 7:45 am

Frank Murray III wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:17 pm
Dude, that is a lot of wine. At some point, are you concerned your palate is gonna shift? Will you have bottles you may not want to pop into anymore?
I don't think so. I've tried hard to diversify over the past few years, really moving away from new world wines and buying a lot more (for me) of French, Italian, and German wines. I've also tried to emphasize a mix of mid-term and longer-term drinkers. I typically only buy 2-3 bottles of any one wine, so hoping that helps mitigate that risk as well.

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#31 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 7:48 am

Rich Brown wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 8:54 pm
On a serious note, it literally happens so fast. You get get on a few lists, actively/obsessively check this site, click your heels, and there's no looking back.

And I can whole heartedly say that I have:
My list days are mostly over. Save a very select few, I've weaned myself off and am much more focused on European wines. But yes, this board has been the single biggest influence! Y'all better have good palates!

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#32 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 7:50 am

josh bryer wrote:
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Nice work. I also just hit the 1k mark in the last few months...

To the previous note about shifting palates, you never know, but I figure if you've been drinking wine long enough your palate has generally settled. For myself, I'm almost 20 years into collecting, drinking and learning about wine and I definitely had a palate shift towards the old-world more AFWE side of the spectrum at some point earlier on. Hopefully by now it's a done deal and any further shifts are more subtle....if not, though I don't plan to sell my wine (maybe my kids will) that's always an option.
Yep, agree. I can't imagine my palate switching back to new world, and I still have enough of that wine from earlier purchases to tide me over. Some of the newer Bdx I've bought - hoping I can share with my boys many years from now when they're well into drinking age.

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#33 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 7:51 am

Adam Frisch wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 9:59 pm
I would go on a massive bender if I were you.
Haha, interestingly enough, our consumption is way down over the past few years. With our busy schedules, we don't entertain as much. Mostly just my wife and I popping a bottle or two on the weekend, and major holidays.

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#34 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 7:52 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 3:14 am
1000 wines at Fu pricing is 500k!

#baller
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#35 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 7:53 am

Jim Stewart wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 4:03 am
congratulations AND commiserations

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#36 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 7:54 am

Sh@n A wrote:
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What is in the cellar? Top regions, producers, vintages etc?
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#37 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 7:56 am

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 4:51 am
It's a matter of perspective and goals. 1000 bottles doesn't seem like a huge amount if you are aging a good percentage of that, enjoy a fairly broad range of regions and grapes, and sometimes buy more than 1 or 2 of things you like. Consumption is also a factor. If you stopped buying right now, how long with that 1K last? Age enters into the evaluation as well.

I wouldn't worry too much about tastes changing unless you just started out or are purchasing quantities of extreme styles. Most well made, balanced wines with reasonable acid are always useful even if your favorites/go-to's shift. For instance, we no longer love Bordeaux as much as we used to, so we don't buy it anymore. But we're still quite happy to pull a nice aged example from what we have cellared when the meal is right.
Thanks Sarah, good advice. My guess is the 1K wine we have will last us 8-10 years. At my age, that means I'll continue to purchase for awhile.

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#38 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 7:57 am

J a y H a c k wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 8:04 pm
Charlie Carnes wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:53 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:03 pm
On behalf of the Over-Indulgence Committee (OIC), I approve wholeheartedly.
Second!
All in favor say Aye . . .

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#39 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 8:03 am

John S wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 7:33 am
Everyone's palate changes as they explore all the world of wine has to offer. And while it is a PITA, when/if that happens and if one has excess it is fairly straightforward to sell those and move on. This assumes it is not absolute swill and can not be sold. One needs to be willing to take a loss on some (or many) things but it helps to fund what one likes today regardless.

I know quite a few people who have had that happen and then refuse to sell at a loss. They then spend years drinking a ton of wine they really no longer care much for.
Yes, I figure worst case scenario (medical issues or even death), the wine could be sold at a loss but still a large percentage recouped. It's not like a golf club membership or other things that have no redeemable financial value. At least that's what I continue to tell me and my wife! [wink.gif]

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#40 Post by alan weinberg » August 10th, 2019, 8:17 am

My validation for 4000+ bottles, at least the argument I use (often) on my wife, came from Richard Gold in his “How and Why to Build a Wine Cellar.” If you drink or open, say for instance 150 bottles a year, and you like wine 20 years old, you “need” 3000 bottles in the cellar laddered at various ages, bought on or near release, so that you control price, provenance, and availability—150 x 20.

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#41 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » August 10th, 2019, 8:25 am

alan weinberg wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 8:17 am
My validation for 4000+ bottles, at least the argument I use (often) on my wife, came from Richard Gold in his “How and Why to Build a Wine Cellar.” If you drink or open, say for instance 150 bottles a year, and you like wine 20 years old, you “need” 3000 bottles in the cellar laddered at various ages, bought on or near release, so that you control price, provenance, and availability—150 x 20.
Yes, it makes total sense. Where it falls apart for me is with storage. No basements here in Texas, so I'm split between in-home wine storage units and offsite storage, which gets prohibitively expensive. Ideal scenario for me is a passive cellar in my dream cabin somewhere in the Colorado Rockies.

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#42 Post by Doug Schulman » August 10th, 2019, 9:55 am

Frank Murray III wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 6:49 am
GregT wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:49 pm
Frank Murray III wrote:
August 9th, 2019, 7:17 pm
Dude, that is a lot of wine. At some point, are you concerned your palate is gonna shift? Will you have bottles you may not want to pop into anymore?
Why would this happen absent some medical emergency? I've been drinking wine for over 30 years and still look forward to drinking the earliest wines I purchased for aging. I've learned about more wines over the years, but that's just like having more girlfriends. Doesn't mean you have to give up your first love. flirtysmile
I don't understand the medical emergency part, Greg. Can you clarify?

All I was trying to say was that this happened to me as I was filling my cellar in that I realized one day had wine in it that I no longer wanted to drink, that the style had passed me by. Looking back now, I ended up selling it all off and I am glad I made that decision. I don't want to be the wet blanket for Scott but was asking b/c of what I had been through.
I've been actively collecting wine for a little over 10 years. I define that as buying wine with the intention of aging it. Somewhere in there, my preferences shifted quite a bit toward the classic European regions. I've sold very small amounts of wine to free up cash for things like 2015 German Rieslings. I still enjoy the rest of my early purchases, even if I wouldn't buy them again. Part of it is sentimental, I'm sure. I have friends and relatives who love big, ripe, New World wines, so I make sure to open them with those people, who probably enjoy them much more than they would a Barolo or red Burgundy anyway.

I tend to enjoy reds with quite a bit of age, so I think it makes sense to have a lot of wine, as Alan pointed out. It's easy to find mature examples of some wines for reasonable prices, but in many cases, that is not possible, so the only feasible option for most people is to collect significant quantities. Plus, I love Riesling, Gruner, and Chenin, all of which benefit greatly for my taste from medium term aging (at least). I don't buy as broadly as I used to, but I focus on classics and high quality. I think buying the highest quality I feel like I can afford is one of the most important things. It automatically keeps my accumulation at a fairly slow pace (much slower than it used to be, anyway), and it ensures that I'll have some really nice wines to open in future years, even if they aren't my favorite categories anymore.

Personally, I see no problem with 1000+ bottles, or even several times that for people who get there. In the worst case, some things can be sold off. Even if they're sold for less than purchase prices, those losses will be minimized by focusing on high quality, and it will free up cash for whatever the person is loving at that time. I hope to drink everything I buy at some point. If I don't, hopefully my kids will want it, or I'll leave them with instructions for how to sell what remains.
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#43 Post by Anton D » August 10th, 2019, 10:06 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
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Just hit 1,000 bottles of inventory in CT after buying a few mags from Envoyer today. Not sure if I should head down the mountain or keep climbing. Storage bursting at the seams...time to join the Wine Watchers monthly reduction plan on the other thread?
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#44 Post by JonathanG » August 10th, 2019, 10:09 am

I just jumped into the aging game. Got tired of drinking stuff straight from the store/winery so started building up several wines to enjoy over the next 3-30 years. Staggered the types, mostly Rioja for my wife, but went big on the 2018 Futures, first growths all the way to the $30 ones with good ratings, and can decide in 10+ years which ones I want to drink, sell, or keep for my kids. I'll be filling in the "gaps" with wines from K&L Auctions (since I live very close to one of their locations, no shipping charges). I don't see an issue with 1000 either, as long as you have some sort of an aging plan and acknowledge you may end up selling some as they get closer to the drinking window.
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#45 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » August 10th, 2019, 11:01 am

If you think about the retirement mode, 1000 bottles is not crazy. Even 2 bottles per week takes you less than ten years to deplete the cellar. My parents are a very healthy 79 and 80, and drink wine every night. It’s their lifestyle - they introduced me to it. My parents have wines that they have cellared, but then also still buy regular, everyday wine that their enjoy for midweek dinners, and then nicer bottles for weekends and special occasions. I want their retirement.

A question I ponder from time to time, is whether I have too many special occasion wines and not enough regular wines. I’d love to be able to retire and regularly drink wines like Sociando, Lanessan, Baudry, etc., with 15+ years on them, which actually dovetails quite well with my hoarding of the 2014 vintage. By 2029, I’m 64. The question is whether I have too many of the far more expensive wines that I will not be inclined to pop regularly, saving them instead for occasions - think for example, Juges that are now tracking $400 per or some other wines that I actually paid say more than $150 for on release - haha, like that Ovid. Or, perhaps then I simply will not care, consider it a totally sunk cost from moons ago, so will pop that 2010 Vieux Chateau Certan on a Monday without a care in the world, since Monday in retirement is no different than a weekend today!

Ideally, I’d buy much more regular wines, but am just completely capped on storage. I do regret never building that home wine cellar in my house, but for the last 5+ years my wife and I have been saying we are moving, and yet here we are.

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#46 Post by Jim Stewart » August 10th, 2019, 11:22 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 11:01 am
If you think about the retirement mode, 1000 bottles is not crazy. Even 2 bottles per week takes you less than ten years to deplete the cellar. My parents are a very healthy 79 and 80, and drink wine every night. It’s their lifestyle - they introduced me to it. My parents have wines that they have cellared, but then also still buy regular, everyday wine that their enjoy for midweek dinners, and then nicer bottles for weekends and special occasions. I want their retirement.

A question I ponder from time to time, is whether I have too many special occasion wines and not enough regular wines. I’d love to be able to retire and regularly drink wines like Sociando, Lanessan, Baudry, etc., with 15+ years on them, which actually dovetails quite well with my hoarding of the 2014 vintage. By 2029, I’m 64. The question is whether I have too many of the far more expensive wines that I will not be inclined to pop regularly, saving them instead for occasions - think for example, Juges that are now tracking $400 per or some other wines that I actually paid say more than $150 for on release - haha, like that Ovid. Or, perhaps then I simply will not care, consider it a totally sunk cost from moons ago, so will pop that 2010 Vieux Chateau Certan on a Monday without a care in the world, since Monday in retirement is no different than a weekend today!

Ideally, I’d buy much more regular wines, but am just completely capped on storage. I do regret never building that home wine cellar in my house, but for the last 5+ years my wife and I have been saying we are moving, and yet here we are.
-nice position for your parents to be in . . .you will get there too
-maybe try to find more "occasions"
-you most definitely will care a lot less
-so true . . .but your pill box will remind you which day it is

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#47 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » August 10th, 2019, 11:32 am

Frank Murray III wrote:
August 10th, 2019, 6:49 am
GregT wrote:
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Frank Murray III wrote:
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Dude, that is a lot of wine. At some point, are you concerned your palate is gonna shift? Will you have bottles you may not want to pop into anymore?
Why would this happen absent some medical emergency? I've been drinking wine for over 30 years and still look forward to drinking the earliest wines I purchased for aging. I've learned about more wines over the years, but that's just like having more girlfriends. Doesn't mean you have to give up your first love. flirtysmile
I don't understand the medical emergency part, Greg. Can you clarify?

All I was trying to say was that this happened to me as I was filling my cellar in that I realized one day had wine in it that I no longer wanted to drink, that the style had passed me by. Looking back now, I ended up selling it all off and I am glad I made that decision. I don't want to be the wet blanket for Scott but was asking b/c of what I had been through.
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This happened to me too, but it was no big deal. Actually, it was great. I sold wines I had paid $29-60 for to a friend with a restaurant for $125-175/bottle. While not everything I had has increased in value, I have never been stuck with things I didn’t really like. If I ever am, I’ll donate them and hopefully get them to someone who will enjoy them and raise some money for a good cause.
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#48 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » August 10th, 2019, 12:24 pm

Alan has it exactly right. How many bottles a year do you drink x how much age (after acquisition) do you like = needed capacity. If you can afford the storage space to store that many and the wines to fill it, your analysis is done. If not, you need to adjust accordingly. 1000 bottles is nothing if you open 3 or 4 bottles a week and like them with 30 years of cellar time. It is too much if you open one bottle a week and don't like wines with more than 15 years on them.

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#49 Post by Jud Reis » August 10th, 2019, 12:26 pm

1000 bottles is roughly what I have been holding at for about 6 years. I have a mix of wines meant for consumption fairly early, and wines I am aging. I have fairly eclectic tastes, and really feel this is a sweet spot for almost always having something that will pair well with what we are eating or that I/we feel like drinking, without having to drink anything too early. I do have to keep track of bottles that may be on a downward slope and put them in the queue to drink.

I am lucky to be in New England, where a passive cellar means storage space is not a concern.

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#50 Post by dsimmons » August 10th, 2019, 1:05 pm

Scott, since you are on cellar tracker you can get a good ball park of a desirable cellar size by looking at your consumption history by variety. If you add your preferences for aging each variety the optimal cellar size becomes a math problem. e.g. I drink 30 Cabs per year and I like them with an average age of 10 years from vintage. It follows that you should cellar~ 300 bottles of Cab. For me, since I prefer most wine aged, this equates to a cellar size of ~2000. bottles.
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