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#1 Post by Claus Jeppesen » August 7th, 2019, 11:56 pm

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One of 4 singlevineyard Ambonnay/Montagne de Reims cuvees
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#2 Post by IlkkaL » August 8th, 2019, 1:33 am

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#3 Post by Claus Jeppesen » August 8th, 2019, 4:33 am

You are welcome
As far I can see the 4 recently released cuvees are selling out quickly pileon
I will enjoy the aerated rest of the bottle tonight
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#4 Post by Frank Murray III » August 8th, 2019, 7:13 am

Claus, thanks for the note. All of my 2014s are still on pre-arrival. I ordered about 2 cases across the Marguet range, including Le Parc, which I am eager to taste.
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2017 Rivers-Marie Pinot Noir Platt SC PN
2017 Kutch Pinot Noir SC PN
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut

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2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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#5 Post by IlkkaL » August 8th, 2019, 7:58 am

Any idea of their single vineyards other than Le Parc and Les Crayères?
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#6 Post by Frank Murray III » August 8th, 2019, 8:08 am

La Grand Ruelle and Les Bermonts, no? One is Pinot, the other is Chard.
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#7 Post by Jon Troutman » August 8th, 2019, 9:03 am

any notes on 14 Ambonnay Rosé?
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#8 Post by IlkkaL » August 8th, 2019, 9:12 am

Frank Murray III wrote:
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La Grand Ruelle and Les Bermonts, no? One is Pinot, the other is Chard.
Apparently there is one called Les Saints Remys as well. Damn I need to try all of these.
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#9 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » August 8th, 2019, 11:42 am

Thanks, Claus. My '14's are still on pre-Arrival, and they represent my first dance with Marguet's wines. The Le Parc is the one I'm most looking forward to.
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#10 Post by Frank Murray III » August 8th, 2019, 12:18 pm

Ikka, I have no idea what that cuvee is. I have been active in buying Marguet (and visited Benoit last year) and I have never run into that bottle. Hell, even up to what seemed like the 2014 vintage, I am not certain Le Parc was made in 750s.

I wish Benoit would update his website. For all the money they spent on the physical winery in the village, if he could just spend some money to upgrade his website. It's really not great.
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#11 Post by IlkkaL » August 8th, 2019, 9:44 pm

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Ikka, I have no idea what that cuvee is. I have been active in buying Marguet (and visited Benoit last year) and I have never run into that bottle. Hell, even up to what seemed like the 2014 vintage, I am not certain Le Parc was made in 750s.

I wish Benoit would update his website. For all the money they spent on the physical winery in the village, if he could just spend some money to upgrade his website. It's really not great.
Here is some info (a Google translation from French):

The 2014 Les Saints Rémys cuvée produced by Benoît Marguet is a certified organic Blanc de Noirs champagne that combines superb fruit notes with great tension. It is a champagne aperitif that will also find a good resonance on gourmet dishes.

Saints Rémys 2014 is the first vintage of this parcel vintage imagined by Benoît Marguet. He decided to isolate this vineyard plot from 2014 seduced by its expressiveness and singularity.

The Saints Rémys is a plot planted only in Pinot Noir and located on the Grand Cru soil of Ambonnay in the Montagne de Reims.

It is a champagne aged 9 months in oak barrels before being bottled and spend at least 4 years in the cellars of the house.

This wine is not dosed in order to let the terroir show at best.

It is a rare cuvée, only 2446 bottles were elaborated.
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#12 Post by Claus Jeppesen » August 9th, 2019, 5:14 am

These are the ones available for me in just released 2014
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This afternoon I am enjoying the last of Le Parc. It was opened 48 hours ago. Still with impressive mousse and fantastic Chardonnay notes. The 2014 craziness is gone though
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#13 Post by Claus Jeppesen » August 9th, 2019, 8:46 am

Jon Troutman wrote:
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any notes on 14 Ambonnay Rosé?
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#14 Post by Frank Murray III » August 9th, 2019, 10:12 am

Damn Claus, that's cool you can already get the 14 Ambonnay into your glass. Very cool. Still not a single note in CT yet on the wine, FWIW.

I need to do a little checking to see if we can scratch up some of the Les Saint Remys.

As Marguet gets increasingly more visible, I wonder how long his stuff will stay under $100.
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#15 Post by Charlie Carnes » August 9th, 2019, 11:57 am

That looks so good! Marguet rose is sooo awesome!
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#16 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » August 9th, 2019, 3:06 pm

For how long as Marguet been no sulfur? I have to admit, that does scare me a bit.
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#17 Post by Frank Murray III » August 9th, 2019, 7:18 pm

Graf, not everything is sans soufre. Some bottles I still own have some sulfur measurements above zero. I'll have to look closer, as I have been buying the wines only for 3 vintages.
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#18 Post by Claus Jeppesen » August 10th, 2019, 6:39 am

[drinkers.gif] True
It is awesome Rose
Even better day 2
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#19 Post by Frank Murray III » August 10th, 2019, 6:42 am

Claus, for crying outloud, you're killing me here.
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#20 Post by Brad Baker » August 10th, 2019, 10:02 am

Marguet's 2014s are very, very good across the range. At the village level, the Chouilly and Cramant are both really nice and the Avize & Cramant bottling is even a further notch above. For the Ambonnay single parcels, Le Parc (Chardonnay) is amazingly pure and really gains in richness as it has time to breathe. Les Saint Remys is a round, grapefruit and cinnamon expression of Pinot Noir. The best to me though is Les Crayeres (Pinot Noir) which has a beautiful silky texture, plenty of bright red apples, and a bitter bite on the finish. While I am not yet sold on the longevity of Marguet's wines, they all drink pretty darn well young, have a great mouthfeel, and have no problem drinking well in the shorter to medium term. All seem to benefit from some air. There is always charm to the wines and as Benoit would say, a lot of energy. Each year, I become a bigger and bigger fan as the wines get better and better. His 2018s are full of huge potential across the board.

As to the sulfur question, a touch of sulfur is added when Benoit feels it is necessary, but in a perfect world, he would prefer to use none at all. Each year he seems to be reducing the amount of wine that sees some sulfur and today I think 80-90% of his wines (might even be more) don't see any sulfur.
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#21 Post by Frank Murray III » August 10th, 2019, 10:38 am

Brad, thanks for posting. I too like the Crayeres. It's the plot that got me hooked on Marguet. I had a 2012 a few months ago that was drinking excellent, and your comment about the 2014 is cool to see.
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#22 Post by Claus Jeppesen » August 11th, 2019, 9:48 am

Enjoying the rest of the Rose
Les Crayeres is next up. [drinkers.gif]
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#23 Post by Frank Murray III » August 11th, 2019, 10:05 am

I blame you, as I just sourced a little more of the 2014s Crayeres and Parc, plus I found the Les Saint Remys. Enabler!
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#24 Post by Claus Jeppesen » August 11th, 2019, 10:17 am

I was intoxicated by the special 2014 craziness
I also was bitten by 2014 Vouette et Sorbée champagne.gif
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#25 Post by Frank Murray III » August 11th, 2019, 10:18 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
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I was intoxicated by the special 2014 craziness
I also was bitten by 2014 Vouette et Sorbée champagne.gif
Well, I already have a decent amount of 2014 V et S.......so leave me alone with your recommendations. deadhorse [truce.gif]
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#26 Post by Warren Taranow » August 11th, 2019, 7:02 pm

I just ordered some '14 Rose, Le Parc, Les Bermonts and Avize and Cramant. I will simultaneously thank you all and curse this thread.

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#27 Post by Frank Murray III » August 11th, 2019, 7:13 pm

Warren Taranow wrote:
August 11th, 2019, 7:02 pm
I just ordered some '14 Rose, Le Parc, Les Bermonts and Avize and Cramant. I will simultaneously thank you all and curse this thread.

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#28 Post by Warren Taranow » August 11th, 2019, 8:13 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
August 11th, 2019, 7:13 pm
Warren Taranow wrote:
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I just ordered some '14 Rose, Le Parc, Les Bermonts and Avize and Cramant. I will simultaneously thank you all and curse this thread.

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#30 Post by Warren Taranow » August 12th, 2019, 6:25 am

Charlie Gierling wrote:
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Here's the plot: https://weinlagen-info.de/#lage_id=6669
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#31 Post by Frank Murray III » August 12th, 2019, 8:09 am

Warren, based on where Le Parc is showing on that map from Charlie, it sits directly on the others side of the fence from Krug's Clos d' Ambonnay. If you look at the bottom left section of Le Parc, you see two rectangles: one green and one beige, which is Krug's walled off section. Then, if you look down a little further from the left and see the square gray roofed building, that is Paul Dethune. Then, Marguet is just up and slightly left from Dethune, on the corner.
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2017 Rivers-Marie Pinot Noir Occidental Ridge SC PN
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2009 Roederer Cristal Brut

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2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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#32 Post by Warren Taranow » August 12th, 2019, 10:37 am

Frank Murray III wrote:
August 12th, 2019, 8:09 am
Warren, based on where Le Parc is showing on that map from Charlie, it sits directly on the others side of the fence from Krug's Clos d' Ambonnay. If you look at the bottom left section of Le Parc, you see two rectangles: one green and one beige, which is Krug's walled off section. Then, if you look down a little further from the left and see the square gray roofed building, that is Paul Dethune. Then, Marguet is just up and slightly left from Dethune, on the corner.
Frank,

That is very cool. I can't wait to visit at some point.
Speaking of Dethune, I haven't seen that rosé for sale in quite some time. I'm conserving my last two bottles.

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#33 Post by Brad Baker » August 12th, 2019, 11:14 am

On the Dethune and Marguet topic, the Dethune BdN is all Les Crayeres (soon to be clearly labeled as such) and the two make an interesting comparison of the plot. For even more fun, add in the Egly Ouriet Les Crayeres.
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#34 Post by Frank Murray III » August 12th, 2019, 12:47 pm

Brad, I had wondered whether Egly was using the same plot. In that vineyard, is that owned by rows or does one person own it and then allow the other vintners to have the designated fruit?

Also, Brad, I find it interesting that for Marguet, the Les Bermonts plot is actually on the south side of D19, what would seem to be the plain. Do you think that matters, that it's not on the north side, coming down from the Montagne slope?
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2009 Roederer Cristal Brut

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2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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#35 Post by Charlie Carnes » August 12th, 2019, 12:53 pm

Warren Taranow wrote:
August 12th, 2019, 6:25 am
Charlie Gierling wrote:
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Here's the plot: https://weinlagen-info.de/#lage_id=6669
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I hadn't seen Weinlagen before. That's a handy website.
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#36 Post by Brad Baker » August 12th, 2019, 7:12 pm

Frank Murray III wrote:
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Brad, I had wondered whether Egly was using the same plot. In that vineyard, is that owned by rows or does one person own it and then allow the other vintners to have the designated fruit?

Also, Brad, I find it interesting that for Marguet, the Les Bermonts plot is actually on the south side of D19, what would seem to be the plain. Do you think that matters, that it's not on the north side, coming down from the Montagne slope?
Frank,

Ambonnay is a village dominated more by growers which contrasts with its neighbor Bouzy which is known more as a village dominated by negociants. What this means is that Ambonnay has a lot of vineyards where lots of growers have a few rows vs. Bouzy where negociants own bigger chunks of the vines. You literally can have a grower in Ambonnay (and many other villages) own these 8 rows in a vineyard and someone else own the next 8, and someone else the next 12, then the first grower again own the next 6, etc... Les Crayeres has numerous owners. I wish I knew all of them, but I don't.

In general, if someone owns a vineyard and wants to sell to a negociant (whether big or small), they sell all they have to a negociant and don't split things up. Exceptions occur, but this is how it works. Also, in many top spots, a grower will keep the cuvee press for their wine and sell the taille to negociants as taille from top spots can still be really, really good.

As for Les Bermonts, I don't know the soil composition of this vineyard, but it tends to not be one of my favorites as a wine. In general, the better spots in Ambonnay tend to come from the north side of D19 that are on the slope as things come down into the village. I don't know all of what is on the south side of D19, but in theory that is not prime real estate. Not bad, but I wouldn't think it to be the top of Ambonnay. It is also Chardonnay so that also comes into play. 100% Chardonnay in Ambonnay can be tough and Le Parc pulls it off much better for Marguet IMO. There are always anomalies and things that seem to defy logic so nothing is every 100%.
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Marguet's 2014s are very, very good across the range. At the village level, the Chouilly and Cramant are both really nice and the Avize & Cramant bottling is even a further notch above. For the Ambonnay single parcels, Le Parc (Chardonnay) is amazingly pure and really gains in richness as it has time to breathe. Les Saint Remys is a round, grapefruit and cinnamon expression of Pinot Noir. The best to me though is Les Crayeres (Pinot Noir) which has a beautiful silky texture, plenty of bright red apples, and a bitter bite on the finish. While I am not yet sold on the longevity of Marguet's wines, they all drink pretty darn well young, have a great mouthfeel, and have no problem drinking well in the shorter to medium term. All seem to benefit from some air. There is always charm to the wines and as Benoit would say, a lot of energy. Each year, I become a bigger and bigger fan as the wines get better and better. His 2018s are full of huge potential across the board.

As to the sulfur question, a touch of sulfur is added when Benoit feels it is necessary, but in a perfect world, he would prefer to use none at all. Each year he seems to be reducing the amount of wine that sees some sulfur and today I think 80-90% of his wines (might even be more) don't see any sulfur.
Thx Brad for the info. What's the maximum age you would keep these for?
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Re: 2014 Marguet Le Parc Grand Cru brut nature

#38 Post by Frank Murray III » August 13th, 2019, 5:40 pm

Brad, thanks for the thoughtful answer. What I find interesting in your conclusion is that Le Parc and Les Bermonts are not all that far from each other, separated only by D19 and in terms of point to point, what, a 1/4 mile? Is it fair to say, like Burgundy, that the spot on the slope is the magic? Le Parc is pretty low on the slope, although higher than Les Bermonts.

I need to open another Marguet Les Bermonts, probably blind with some of the guys to see what their reaction is, too. I've not found it anywhere near as good as the PN stuff that Marguet is doing.
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2014 Marie Courtin Eloquence Blanc de Blancs Extra Brut
2017 Rivers-Marie Pinot Noir Occidental Ridge SC PN
2017 Rivers-Marie Pinot Noir Platt SC PN
2017 Kutch Pinot Noir SC PN
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut

My best wines of 2018:
2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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Re: 2014 Marguet Le Parc Grand Cru brut nature

#39 Post by Brad Baker » August 15th, 2019, 7:46 am

YLee wrote:
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Thx Brad for the info. What's the maximum age you would keep these for?
I honestly don't know as we are all learning about how Benoit's wines are handling age and he is also improving his winemaking. Right now, I'm not sure I would take these more than 5-8 years out and I would expect some bottle variability over time especially from bottles not purchased in Champagne. I have noticed that bottles purchased outside of Champagne show a bit more age than bottles purchased in Champagne.
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Re: 2014 Marguet Le Parc Grand Cru brut nature

#40 Post by Brad Baker » August 15th, 2019, 8:15 am

Frank,

Some things just don't make a lot of sense when it comes to vineyard plots. You can have one plot right next to another plot with the same vine type, vine age, farming practices, basic exposition, soil analysis , and winemaking and one can consistently taste better than the other. Benoit would say that it likely has to do with the energy and historical significance of one plot vs. the next and I can't argue with him.

You wouldn't think that there would be that much difference between Le Parc and Les Bermonts, but there is and in general D19 is a stereotypical dividing line in vineyard quality for the village/area. The exposition of the vineyard is also slightly different and I would bet the soil too. These changes might be minor, but still enough to affect the quality in a noticeable way. The best spots in Ambonnay tend to be planted to Pinot Noir or at least a blend that is 70% Pinot Noir. In general, Les Bermonts is at the southern end of where you tend to find vines in Ambonnay and Bouzy. As you continue south, you enter Tours-sur-Marne and there is a clear drop in quality to me (Tours-sur-Marne is a Grand Cru, but in the old rankings, it was Grand Cru for Pinot Noir only). For whatever reason, this area doesn't excel to same level as the rest of Ambonnay and I think with Chardonnay, you see a more marked difference.
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Re: 2014 Marguet Le Parc Grand Cru brut nature

#41 Post by Frank Murray III » August 15th, 2019, 9:41 am

Brad, when I go back to the area, hopefully in early 2020, I would like to see if you are around. Doing some stops with you and tapping into some of your knowledge, even for a brief period of time for my visit, would be a cool benefit selfishly.

As to the longevity of Benoit's wines, I'm already drinking and digging the 2012s, so those are now 7 years out and I have not found any aged quality to them, Brad. Mine were all bought here in the US. I will continue to age a single bottle of most of the cuvees, to see how they do, yet continue to acquired and build more inventory through new vintages, like 2014.
My WOTY candidates for 2019:
2014 Marie Courtin Eloquence Blanc de Blancs Extra Brut
2017 Rivers-Marie Pinot Noir Occidental Ridge SC PN
2017 Rivers-Marie Pinot Noir Platt SC PN
2017 Kutch Pinot Noir SC PN
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut

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2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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Re: 2014 Marguet Le Parc Grand Cru brut nature

#42 Post by Brad Baker » August 15th, 2019, 9:54 am

Frank,

Sorry I should have been more specific on what I meant by 5-8 years out. I meant post-release and not post-vintage. As the 2012s were released 1.5-2 years ago, I think they still have 3-6 years of good drinking and maybe more; only time will tell.

With a lot of the low sulfur Champagnes, the aging, evolution, flavor changes, etc... is still a bit of an unknown. I honestly don't care if a wine can age or not; I just want to be able to know when to enjoy it and when it will show the characteristics I am looking for.
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Re: 2014 Marguet Le Parc Grand Cru brut nature

#43 Post by M.Kaplan » August 15th, 2019, 4:34 pm

Brad Baker wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 9:54 am
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I honestly don't care if a wine can age or not; I just want to be able to know when to enjoy it and when it will show the characteristics I am looking for.
Exactly this. 2009 Cristal is a prime example; it is so delicious now that I don’t care whether it is a long term ager or not.
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