Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

Tasting notes, varietals, grapes - anything related to wine
Message
Author
User avatar
Brent S
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 60
Joined: August 8th, 2019, 9:59 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#51 Post by Brent S » October 7th, 2019, 8:18 pm

Tom, thanks for the intel
Believe Thursday is when the offer is live for me
I recall they want you to buy 3 of a kind which was why I was contemplating this purchase.
Brent S

User avatar
mattcitrang
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 2037
Joined: October 8th, 2011, 8:48 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#52 Post by mattcitrang » October 10th, 2019, 7:54 am

Offer for Cabs is live now.

jeffruggels
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 716
Joined: June 24th, 2011, 9:32 am
Location: Burbank

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#53 Post by jeffruggels » October 10th, 2019, 10:51 am

i love these wines

User avatar
JohnP
Posts: 367
Joined: August 14th, 2017, 10:35 pm

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#54 Post by JohnP » October 10th, 2019, 8:29 pm

I picked up two. After reading AG's review, I couldn't resist..
John Pollard

User avatar
Brent S
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 60
Joined: August 8th, 2019, 9:59 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#55 Post by Brent S » October 10th, 2019, 9:25 pm

Also grabbed 2. Try one at 10 years of age and the other one maybe at 20
Brent S

AlexS
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 23109
Joined: February 19th, 2009, 4:05 pm
Location: Mwaukee, 'sconsin

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#56 Post by AlexS » October 11th, 2019, 9:50 am

Don't worry about trying a bottle young, they're pretty delicious on release.
s t e w @ r t

jeffruggels
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 716
Joined: June 24th, 2011, 9:32 am
Location: Burbank

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#57 Post by jeffruggels » October 11th, 2019, 2:10 pm

had an 15 when it landed and it was very enjoyable, but my take away was the very special years were a ways down the road

Steve Brickley
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 1195
Joined: April 16th, 2011, 9:31 am
Location: SF Bay Area and Nice France

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#58 Post by Steve Brickley » October 12th, 2019, 1:27 pm

I been buying Ceritas whites, mainly Porter Bass since inception. I haven’t been a red buyer, well, since now the cab. The notes are very telling. I am in for two 750’s.
Steve

User avatar
Adam Frisch
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 417
Joined: July 15th, 2019, 5:04 pm
Location: Los Angeles

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#59 Post by Adam Frisch » November 11th, 2019, 12:40 pm

They arrived! [cheers.gif]


IMG_5845.JPG
IMG_5846.JPG
Sabelli-Frisch Wines

Owner, proprietor and winemaker (with a little help) at Sabelli-Frisch Wines. I make wine from low-impact vineyards, focus on rare, forgotten, under-appreciated or historic grape varietals. Mission grape is my main red focus. IG: sabellifrisch

Hank Victor
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 569
Joined: July 21st, 2018, 8:36 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#60 Post by Hank Victor » November 11th, 2019, 2:24 pm

Adam Frisch wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:40 pm
They arrived! [cheers.gif]



IMG_5845.JPG
IMG_5846.JPG
Nice! Pop upon the cab and give us some tasting notes. [berserker.gif]
- ITB
Take a chance, Columbus did..

H V br1M@

Steve Brickley
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 1195
Joined: April 16th, 2011, 9:31 am
Location: SF Bay Area and Nice France

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#61 Post by Steve Brickley » November 11th, 2019, 6:17 pm

Wine Searcher lit up for five of the 2007 Porter Bass chards at K&L at $60 per 750ml. Easy decision. All five in my cellar at 52 degrees. I hope to try one soon. As a side note I buy in France from a Italian seller Wine Tip. They have a handful of California amongst hundreds of Italian and one is Ceritas Pinot - on the other side of the world.
Steve

Hank Victor
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 569
Joined: July 21st, 2018, 8:36 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#62 Post by Hank Victor » November 27th, 2019, 1:45 pm

The Cabernet is so aromatically beautiful right off the bat. So much green herbal notes like sage, menthol, pine. Elegant tannins.
- ITB
Take a chance, Columbus did..

H V br1M@

Hank Victor
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 569
Joined: July 21st, 2018, 8:36 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#63 Post by Hank Victor » January 21st, 2020, 3:16 pm

Anyone have reviews for the upcoming spring release next month?

SPRING 2020 / FEB

2018 Trout Gulch Chardonnay
2018 Peter Martin Ray Chardonnay
2018 Occidental Pinot Noir
2018 Rivina Pinot Noir
- ITB
Take a chance, Columbus did..

H V br1M@

Douglas Breen
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 243
Joined: September 1st, 2010, 2:51 pm

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#64 Post by Douglas Breen » January 22nd, 2020, 4:10 pm

There seems to be a few additions and subtractions to their yearly releases. I’d love to know more about those also. Rivina is a new Pinot from Ceritas for this February release. Maybe it’s a different name for Hacienda or Coastalina (those are not shown for release this year). The 2014 Trout Gulch Chardonnay was amazing last month!

Eric S n y d e r
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 870
Joined: June 7th, 2016, 2:47 pm

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#65 Post by Eric S n y d e r » January 22nd, 2020, 4:26 pm

For someone who has never tried Ceritas Pinot or Chard, what’s a representative bottling to try? Can I get away with a younger bottle, or should I try to find one with age?

Douglas Breen
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 243
Joined: September 1st, 2010, 2:51 pm

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#66 Post by Douglas Breen » January 22nd, 2020, 4:52 pm

Most of them need a few years aging. The 2014 Trout Gulch was a bit too acidic at the start, but it’s just starting to hit its stride. Drank a 2010 Escarpa Pinot recently and it was great, but could go farther and improve. Their less expensive pinots and Chardonnay’s need less time. Their 2013 Heintz Chardonnay is my favorite of all time (been buying since the 2009 vintage). Their 2011 Peter Martin Ray Chardonnay is at its peak.

Love their wine!

User avatar
Adam Frisch
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 417
Joined: July 15th, 2019, 5:04 pm
Location: Los Angeles

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#67 Post by Adam Frisch » January 22nd, 2020, 7:02 pm

Phil Restine wrote:
January 22nd, 2020, 5:16 pm
Y’all can keep all of that Thomas Rovers Brown hot garbage that was just offered. I’ll be drinking my bottles of Ceritas through a straw right out of the bottle with a cheeseburger.
That's interesting. Most seem to be over the moon with those, but I do know super-extraction tends to get rewarded by critics.

I found my sampler Ceritas to be very restrained. I really liked them, but they're not flashy. And because of the pricing and how hard it is to get, I think I will only occasionally pursue it.
Sabelli-Frisch Wines

Owner, proprietor and winemaker (with a little help) at Sabelli-Frisch Wines. I make wine from low-impact vineyards, focus on rare, forgotten, under-appreciated or historic grape varietals. Mission grape is my main red focus. IG: sabellifrisch

User avatar
SteveBrown
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 1026
Joined: May 1st, 2012, 3:08 pm
Location: Davis, CA

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#68 Post by SteveBrown » January 23rd, 2020, 2:52 pm

Douglas Breen wrote:
January 22nd, 2020, 4:10 pm
There seems to be a few additions and subtractions to their yearly releases. I’d love to know more about those also. Rivina is a new Pinot from Ceritas for this February release. Maybe it’s a different name for Hacienda or Coastalina (those are not shown for release this year). The 2014 Trout Gulch Chardonnay was amazing last month!
Looks like Ceritas trademarked the name "Rivina" as well as "Carex" (Fall Chard release) and "Senna" (Fall Pinot release) - maybe three new blends? Interesting to see they also have a Chard coming from Zephyr Vineyard (on Jonive Road near Bohemian Hwy). Red Car has been sourcing Chard and Pinot from Zephyr for a half-dozen years, IIRC it's recently been replanted/grafted to all Chard.
We were high, we were sherpa high - TTH

Hank Victor
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 569
Joined: July 21st, 2018, 8:36 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#69 Post by Hank Victor » January 23rd, 2020, 2:57 pm

Eric S n y d e r wrote:
January 22nd, 2020, 4:26 pm
For someone who has never tried Ceritas Pinot or Chard, what’s a representative bottling to try? Can I get away with a younger bottle, or should I try to find one with age?
Try with age.
- ITB
Take a chance, Columbus did..

H V br1M@

Douglas Breen
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 243
Joined: September 1st, 2010, 2:51 pm

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#70 Post by Douglas Breen » January 23rd, 2020, 4:57 pm

SteveBrown wrote:
January 23rd, 2020, 2:52 pm
Douglas Breen wrote:
January 22nd, 2020, 4:10 pm
There seems to be a few additions and subtractions to their yearly releases. I’d love to know more about those also. Rivina is a new Pinot from Ceritas for this February release. Maybe it’s a different name for Hacienda or Coastalina (those are not shown for release this year). The 2014 Trout Gulch Chardonnay was amazing last month!
Looks like Ceritas trademarked the name "Rivina" as well as "Carex" (Fall Chard release) and "Senna" (Fall Pinot release) - maybe three new blends? Interesting to see they also have a Chard coming from Zephyr Vineyard (on Jonive Road near Bohemian Hwy). Red Car has been sourcing Chard and Pinot from Zephyr for a half-dozen years, IIRC it's recently been replanted/grafted to all Chard.
Thank you for the information. Especially excited for their new Chardonnay. The next release starts Monday (27th), we’ll find out about Rivina and maybe the other new ones.

User avatar
SteveBrown
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 1026
Joined: May 1st, 2012, 3:08 pm
Location: Davis, CA

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#71 Post by SteveBrown » January 27th, 2020, 9:34 am

Interesting - it sounds like the Carex, Senna and Rivina are single vineyard rather than blends.

>NEWS \ 2018 VINTAGE

In 2018, Ceritas signed long term leases on four new parcels all found inside the West Sonoma Coast – Carex (Chardonnay), Zephyr (Chardonnay), Senna (Pinot Noir) and finally Rivina Pinot Noir - more details below. Our holdings at Ceritas continue to evolve as we search out the best possible pieces from which to make wine. We are truly honored to be working with these sites and ecstatic about the wines that have resulted.


RIVINA \ WEST SONOMA COAST
Monopole

Our first release of Rivina Pinot Noir is exciting and not to be missed. Nearly 18 years ago, a vineyard was planted by industry friends in the northernmost reaches of the Fort-Ross Seaview sub-appellation of the West Sonoma Coast. When planted, the vine density (2400 vines/acre) was almost unheard of. The tight spacing resulted in small vines growing intense fruit all the while driving the roots deep into the hard sandstone soils with high concentrations of quartz.

We source a small section of this vineyard which is planted using the revered Calera selection massale bud wood from the Ceritas Occidental Vineyard. Small, tight clusters with small berries results in a wine of great depth and concentration while retaining an amazing amount of natural acidity. This wine is a great parallel to the Occidental Pinot Noir as you get to see the differences between the two sites using the same clonal source.<
We were high, we were sherpa high - TTH

User avatar
Merrill Lindquist
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 11046
Joined: July 22nd, 2009, 6:58 pm
Location: Calistoga, Napa Valley, CA

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#72 Post by Merrill Lindquist » January 27th, 2020, 10:29 am

Hank Victor wrote:
January 23rd, 2020, 2:57 pm
Eric S n y d e r wrote:
January 22nd, 2020, 4:26 pm
For someone who has never tried Ceritas Pinot or Chard, what’s a representative bottling to try? Can I get away with a younger bottle, or should I try to find one with age?
Try with age.
Get the Peter Martin Ray Chard. Tasting notes liken this to the 2011, which was outstanding. Ceritas is the only Chardonnay I purchase every year.
Merrill
EMH Vineyards - Home of the Black Cat
email:Merrill@EMHVineyards.com

marc d
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 214
Joined: December 3rd, 2012, 7:47 pm
Location: Bellingham WA

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#73 Post by marc d » January 27th, 2020, 5:32 pm

Eric S n y d e r wrote:
January 22nd, 2020, 4:26 pm
For someone who has never tried Ceritas Pinot or Chard, what’s a representative bottling to try? Can I get away with a younger bottle, or should I try to find one with age?
For me their Chardonnay is really good with 7+ years of age. They do make a younger vine Chardonnay that is made to drink earlier. I think the Pinot Noir can be opened early but also have a closed period, I’m still figuring this out.
Marc Davis

Bill Mauger
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 170
Joined: June 19th, 2009, 7:39 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#74 Post by Bill Mauger » January 28th, 2020, 4:32 pm

I usually purchase in 6's - not everyone but PMR & PB are annual. I love to crack one early and follow over a few days. I hit one 3-4 years after vintage and then have some with age. Over the holidays we did a king crab dinner and enjoyed the 09 PB and 11 PMR. A favorite - no - just like the kids are different but love them the same. The awesome thing is the PB tasted like PD and the PMR tasted like PMR. love these wines - do not serve cold and give then plenty of air. I think decanting whites of this quality is more important than decanting most reds.

User avatar
SteveBrown
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 1026
Joined: May 1st, 2012, 3:08 pm
Location: Davis, CA

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#75 Post by SteveBrown » January 29th, 2020, 5:00 pm

Got a little more info on two of the new wines from the folks at Ceritas. The grapes for the Rivina Pinot come from one of the two best blocks of the Red Car Estate vineyard, which as noted above was planted with Calera selection massale bud wood from the Ceritas Occidental Vineyard. Grapes for the new Carex Chardonnay come from the DuMOL estate, and the wine was described to me as very racy and the "Trout Gulch of the north."
We were high, we were sherpa high - TTH

User avatar
Merrill Lindquist
BerserkerBusiness
BerserkerBusiness
Posts: 11046
Joined: July 22nd, 2009, 6:58 pm
Location: Calistoga, Napa Valley, CA

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#76 Post by Merrill Lindquist » January 29th, 2020, 5:15 pm

SteveBrown wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 5:00 pm
Got a little more info on two of the new wines from the folks at Ceritas. The grapes for the Rivina Pinot come from one of the two best blocks of the Red Car Estate vineyard, which as noted above was planted with Calera selection massale bud wood from the Ceritas Occidental Vineyard. Grapes for the new Carex Chardonnay come from the DuMOL estate, and the wine was described to me as very racy and the "Trout Gulch of the north."
Nice to see you back here, Steve!
Merrill
EMH Vineyards - Home of the Black Cat
email:Merrill@EMHVineyards.com

Douglas Breen
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 243
Joined: September 1st, 2010, 2:51 pm

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#77 Post by Douglas Breen » January 29th, 2020, 5:25 pm

SteveBrown wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 5:00 pm
Got a little more info on two of the new wines from the folks at Ceritas. The grapes for the Rivina Pinot come from one of the two best blocks of the Red Car Estate vineyard, which as noted above was planted with Calera selection massale bud wood from the Ceritas Occidental Vineyard. Grapes for the new Carex Chardonnay come from the DuMOL estate, and the wine was described to me as very racy and the "Trout Gulch of the north."
Thanks for the information. Trout Gulch is my new favorite. And, loved the Dumol’s I’ve had, though those were a while back. Very excited!

User avatar
mattcitrang
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 2037
Joined: October 8th, 2011, 8:48 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#78 Post by mattcitrang » January 30th, 2020, 10:57 am

picked up a couple of each chard and Revina pinot.

Hank Victor
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 569
Joined: July 21st, 2018, 8:36 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#79 Post by Hank Victor » January 30th, 2020, 1:34 pm

Going to pass on this offering. Not enough space, patience, or money to sit on these chards.
- ITB
Take a chance, Columbus did..

H V br1M@

User avatar
Scott Brunson
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 9122
Joined: November 15th, 2011, 2:55 am
Location: in between coastal SC and south FL

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#80 Post by Scott Brunson » January 30th, 2020, 2:55 pm

3 of each Chard
Tous les chemins mènent à la Bourgogne!
On CT, I'm S1

User avatar
Sean_S
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 646
Joined: July 10th, 2016, 9:30 pm
Location: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#81 Post by Sean_S » January 30th, 2020, 2:57 pm

If anyone in the bay area wants to split my allocation I'm up for it. too broke from berserker day for 2 more 3 packs of chardonnay
CT: Seanwsmithm3
Summit Rd, Redwood Estates, CA

User avatar
Brent S
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 60
Joined: August 8th, 2019, 9:59 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#82 Post by Brent S » January 30th, 2020, 9:14 pm

Yes the timing of their offering isn’t the best considering Monday.
Brent S

Ron Slye
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 691
Joined: May 4th, 2014, 2:11 pm
Location: Seattle

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#83 Post by Ron Slye » January 30th, 2020, 10:01 pm

In some ways the timing for me worked in their favor. Hey, I just spent an enormous amount of money on BD, whats another few hundred or so? I know -- dont invest your money with me........

williamwhelan
Posts: 7
Joined: January 27th, 2020, 7:14 pm
Location: San Francisco, CA

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#84 Post by williamwhelan » January 31st, 2020, 8:13 pm

What's everyone's oldest Ceritas Chardonnays they're still holding onto? Going to fulfill my allocation and have experience with the wines but only in their youth. Would be super curious to see others' drinking windows.
VP of Wine @ Winestyr
ITB

User avatar
J.Vizuete
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 464
Joined: March 19th, 2017, 12:15 pm

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#85 Post by J.Vizuete » January 31st, 2020, 9:13 pm

williamwhelan wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 8:13 pm
What's everyone's oldest Ceritas Chardonnays they're still holding onto? Going to fulfill my allocation and have experience with the wines but only in their youth. Would be super curious to see others' drinking windows.
13s are still young and fresh from my viewpoint.
These wines have enough supportive acidity and are still full fruited to benefit from (?) 10 years in the cellar. My experience isn’t long but I’ve been able to source several back vintages through Winebid
John V.

User avatar
Br@d S w @ l l o w
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 5533
Joined: January 27th, 2009, 12:39 pm
Location: Ellicott City, MD

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#86 Post by Br@d S w @ l l o w » February 12th, 2020, 8:52 am

I finally pulled the trigger on a three-pack each of the Trout Gulch Chardonnay and Rivina PN.
"Oh, bliss! Bliss and heaven! Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeosity made flesh. It was like a bird of rarest spun heaven metal or like silvery wine flowing in a spaceship, gravity all nonsense now. As I slooshied, I knew such lovely pictures!" ~Alex

mpsuh
Posts: 3
Joined: September 24th, 2019, 11:01 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#87 Post by mpsuh » February 14th, 2020, 4:58 pm

Was sitting on the fence too long and the decision was made for me! :(

hope to get in on the next one
Mich@el P. S

User avatar
Alex G
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 223
Joined: January 26th, 2014, 6:42 am
Location: Chicago

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#88 Post by Alex G » February 17th, 2020, 9:11 am

williamwhelan wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 8:13 pm
What's everyone's oldest Ceritas Chardonnays they're still holding onto? Going to fulfill my allocation and have experience with the wines but only in their youth. Would be super curious to see others' drinking windows.
We just opened a 2012 Heintz Chard, our oldest Ceritas vintage, and it was really excellent. Here is my CT note.

94 points

This is our most aged Ceritas that we’ve ever had. Have only ever drank these one or two or three years from purchase.

Nose of apple, pineapple, citrus peel. On the palate, brightness leads the way. Citrus first, then balanced beautifully with sweeter flavors of pineapple and apple.

Compared to younger vintages I’ve tasted, this is slightly (but not much) less citrusy, slightly less intense, and slightly more rounded and deep. Really, it feels like this can go another 10 years and not lose a step at all.

Beautiful wine.
Alex Gold

User avatar
Alan Rath
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 19417
Joined: April 24th, 2009, 12:45 am
Location: Bay Area, CA. Sometimes out to lunch.

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#89 Post by Alan Rath » February 17th, 2020, 9:43 am

williamwhelan wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 8:13 pm
What's everyone's oldest Ceritas Chardonnays they're still holding onto? Going to fulfill my allocation and have experience with the wines but only in their youth. Would be super curious to see others' drinking windows.
I have a single 2005 left, just as an experiment.
I'm just one lost soul, swimming in a fish bowl, year after year

Bill Mauger
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 170
Joined: June 19th, 2009, 7:39 am

Re: Ceritas - Save the date 8/8/19

#90 Post by Bill Mauger » February 17th, 2020, 9:51 am

I drank a superb 09 Porter Bass Chard over the holidays.

Post Reply

Return to “Wine Talk”