TN: 2014 Château Léoville Poyferré (France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien)

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TN: 2014 Château Léoville Poyferré (France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien)

#1 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » July 17th, 2019, 8:33 am

2014 Château Léoville Poyferré - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien (4/29/2019)
-- decanted immediately after opening, about 45 minutes before initial taste --
-- tasted non-blind for 3.5 hours on Day 1; revisited on Day 2 --
-- 61% Cabernet Sauvignon, 27% Merlot, 8% Petit Verdot, 4% Cabernet Franc --

NOSE: Day 1: sweet vanilla oak is first note; "dark"; slightly smoky; meaty; blackberries; slight note of school paste. Day 2: minty/stony/oaky; purple-fruited.

BODY: some light sediment present; medium to medium-full bodied; dark garnet-violet color of great depth.

TASTE: Day 1: a touch oakier than I'd prefer, but I could see the oak getting absorbed with age; tannic; a touch low on acidity; hint of alc. taste; sweet oak; coffee grounds; Hold; modern sensibilities, but it has a good dose of rustic tannin, too; tiny hint of pyrazine on finish about 3 hours after opening; Ash would pay $40, so not a re-buy; gut impression score of 90 – 92, but it does lean more modern than I'd prefer. Day 2: surprising hint of oxidation --- I expect a young Bdx. to be able to survive 24 hours open without degradation; still some sweet oak; not as good on palate as on the Nose --- a bit too modern; gut impression score 91 – 93. Drink or Hold for up to 20 years. Won't buy again. I could see this is a nice crossover for folks who like big Napa Cabs.
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#2 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 17th, 2019, 8:38 am

I’ve not been a fan of this Chateau for quite some time, for the impressions (not scoring) that you make above, yet somehow I ended up with several bottles of 2014. Not sure how that happened, seriously.

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#3 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » July 17th, 2019, 10:07 am

Good gateway bottles! With some cellar time, I bet this is a very enjoyable wine; I also think there are other similarly-priced options that would be even better. IIRC, I thought this was less "modern" than the 2014 Carmes Haut Brion.
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#4 Post by YLee » July 17th, 2019, 10:21 am

Thx fOR TN.
You mentioned nose if school paste. Is that like Elmer's Glue?
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#5 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » July 17th, 2019, 10:25 am

School paste: there's this opaque white school paste that I distinctly remember from my early elementary years. Not Elmer's glue. Similar to some glue sticks of today, but not an exact match.

ETA: I see Elmer's did make a school paste. All I can say is that paste is different than glue.
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#6 Post by K. Tr@n » July 17th, 2019, 10:52 am

I also have some 2014 at home, not sure why. I tasted the 2015 at the Chateau and thought the tannin & acidity level were too high, very earthy, savory. Not my style.
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#7 Post by Jim F » July 17th, 2019, 11:04 am

No 2014 here, and I tasted the 2015 at the US UGC tour, and thought it reminded me of napa cabernet, at least compared to the rest of the array of wines. I had preordered the 2015 as futures and canceled/redirected those $ to other 2015 bordeaux. Needless to say maybe, also no 2016, etc. Not that it was a “bad” wine, some will love it; just not for me. And I like napa cab!
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#8 Post by Chris Atkins » July 17th, 2019, 1:25 pm

Oxidation on day two is something I do occasionally encounter with ripe Napa cabs.

I considered Léoville Poyferre for 2018 Futures but opted for Léoville-Barton instead.
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#9 Post by Jayson Cohen » July 18th, 2019, 7:34 am

This sounds so unlike Poyferré of old that I love/d that I am genuinely sad to read a note like this.

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#10 Post by IlkkaL » July 18th, 2019, 8:21 am

Having a single bottle of 2008 Poyferré sleeping in the cellar I wonder whether that vintage represents the current or the old style of this château. Hard to say for sure based on the CT notes that more than anything underline the wine's apparently notable tannins.
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#11 Post by Jayson Cohen » July 18th, 2019, 8:26 am

IlkkaL wrote:
July 18th, 2019, 8:21 am
Having a single bottle of 2008 Poyferré sleeping in the cellar I wonder whether that vintage represents the current or the old style of this château. Hard to say for sure based on the CT notes that more than anything underline the wine's apparently notable tannins.
Current. One could debate when the change occurred but generally 1994 to 1998 was the transition.

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#12 Post by IlkkaL » July 18th, 2019, 8:42 am

Jayson Cohen wrote:
July 18th, 2019, 8:26 am
IlkkaL wrote:
July 18th, 2019, 8:21 am
Having a single bottle of 2008 Poyferré sleeping in the cellar I wonder whether that vintage represents the current or the old style of this château. Hard to say for sure based on the CT notes that more than anything underline the wine's apparently notable tannins.
Current. One could debate when the change occurred but generally 1994 to 1998 was the transition.
Ok, had no idea it was such a long time ago. Thanks.
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#13 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » July 18th, 2019, 8:45 am

I went to an extensive vertical tasting of Leoville Poyferre covering 2000 to 2015 and IMO numerous vintages had issues with lacking lift and acidity, as well as excessive sweetness at times. The problem was the worst in the warmer vintages, very much including the 2009 which all the critics raved about but at least at that vertical I thought was a bit of a mess.

Relatively speaking, the tannic vintages like 2000-2005-2010 were the best, but I didn't leave that event wanting to buy any more LP, particularly at today's prices.
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#14 Post by Mark Golodetz » July 18th, 2019, 8:46 am

Great terroir, sad to see such crappy winless.
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#15 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » July 18th, 2019, 9:16 am

2016 and 2018 vintages are where it’s at!
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#16 Post by Craig G » July 18th, 2019, 9:37 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
July 17th, 2019, 10:25 am
School paste: there's this opaque white school paste that I distinctly remember from my early elementary years. Not Elmer's glue. Similar to some glue sticks of today, but not an exact match.

ETA: I see Elmer's did make a school paste. All I can say is that paste is different than glue.
This calls for a comparative varietal school paste and white glue tasting.
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#17 Post by ChristopherSK » July 21st, 2019, 8:34 am

TY Brian for the post, as I am looking at buying more different 2014's now when the prices are lower, for an eventual tasting in 2024. This wine will not be on my list of Saint Julian's to pick up. Strange how they are new worlding it. In any event, I am a big fan of the classic styling of the 2014 vintage, particularly for wines from Paulliac and to the north.
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#18 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 21st, 2019, 8:36 am

Interesting that anyone is surprised about Poyferre being modernist. It’s been that way for close to two decades.
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#19 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 21st, 2019, 8:42 am

IlkkaL wrote:
July 18th, 2019, 8:42 am
Jayson Cohen wrote:
July 18th, 2019, 8:26 am
IlkkaL wrote:
July 18th, 2019, 8:21 am
Having a single bottle of 2008 Poyferré sleeping in the cellar I wonder whether that vintage represents the current or the old style of this château. Hard to say for sure based on the CT notes that more than anything underline the wine's apparently notable tannins.
Current. One could debate when the change occurred but generally 1994 to 1998 was the transition.
Ok, had no idea it was such a long time ago. Thanks.
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#20 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 21st, 2019, 9:21 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
July 21st, 2019, 8:42 am
IlkkaL wrote:
July 18th, 2019, 8:42 am
Jayson Cohen wrote:
July 18th, 2019, 8:26 am


Current. One could debate when the change occurred but generally 1994 to 1998 was the transition.
Ok, had no idea it was such a long time ago. Thanks.
They hired Rolland in 1994, resulting in an irrebutable presumption of awfulness the instant he stepped on the property. If you liked any LP thereafter, you are wrong.
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#21 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 21st, 2019, 9:22 am

Well now that you have mentioned Rolland, any wine you drink today will be automatically awful.
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#22 Post by Mark Golodetz » July 21st, 2019, 11:33 am

Yes and no. Hiring Rolland as a consultant does not necessarily mean that he is going to ruin your wine. His firm does whatever is asked of it, and apparently one of strengths is in the vineyards. For example, Chateau Corbin, one of my favorite Saint Emilions, they work exclusively in the vineyard, and the wines are certainly fairly traditional as Annabel Bardinet knows exactly what she wants to do with the wine.
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#23 Post by Arv R » July 21st, 2019, 11:37 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
July 21st, 2019, 8:36 am
Interesting that anyone is surprised about Poyferre being modernist. It’s been that way for close to two decades.
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I think the impact really started kicking in with the 1998, which I actually liked young
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#24 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 21st, 2019, 12:14 pm

Arv R wrote:
July 21st, 2019, 11:37 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
July 21st, 2019, 8:36 am
Interesting that anyone is surprised about Poyferre being modernist. It’s been that way for close to two decades.
+1

I think the impact really started kicking in with the 1998, which I actually liked young
And then became really pronounced in the solar vintages, 2000 and 2003.

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#25 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 21st, 2019, 12:29 pm

Mark Golodetz wrote:
July 21st, 2019, 11:33 am
Yes and no. Hiring Rolland as a consultant does not necessarily mean that he is going to ruin your wine.
Yes it does. Always. In every case. No matter what. As soon as he crosses the threshold. Come on, Mark; get with the program!
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#26 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 21st, 2019, 12:35 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 21st, 2019, 12:14 pm
Arv R wrote:
July 21st, 2019, 11:37 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
July 21st, 2019, 8:36 am
Interesting that anyone is surprised about Poyferre being modernist. It’s been that way for close to two decades.
+1

I think the impact really started kicking in with the 1998, which I actually liked young
And then became really pronounced in the solar vintages, 2000 and 2003.
You put 2000 with 2003? They aren’t even close.
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#27 Post by P Intag » July 23rd, 2019, 1:32 pm

My brother pulled out a bottle of 2010 La Vielle Cure at a family gathering for my mom's 91st birthday last Sunday. After two sips, I immediately suspected Michel Rolland's influence, so I looked it up and indeed, he had a hand in the wine making. These Rolland wines have an easily identifiable veneer of oaky smoothness, with a flavor profile that is "delicious" and pleasing but have no varietal character or sense of terroir at all. I can see how people like them, but they are just so uninteresting. Not sure why Leve loves this style so much -- I would think he'd get bored of drinking the same wine over and over again.
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#28 Post by Chris Atkins » July 23rd, 2019, 2:26 pm

What other Château in Bordeaux is Rolland Inflicted

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#29 Post by Mark Golodetz » July 23rd, 2019, 2:30 pm

Bordeaux vineyards under Rolland influence[edit]
Rolland holds decisive roles (such as owner, cellar master, oenologist, consultant) in a number of chateaux in Bordeaux. These include:

Angélus, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Armens, St-Emilion Grand Cru
From Wikipedia. Note that level influence varies,

Ausone, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Beauregard, Pomerol
Bellefont-Belcier, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Bellevue Mondotte, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Bibian, Haut-Médoc
Blason de l'Evangile, Pomerol
le Bon Pasteur, Pomerol
Bonalgue, Pomerol
Branas Grand Poujeaux, Moulis
Brillette, Moulis
de Camensac, Haut-Médoc
Cap de Faugères, Côtes de Castillon
Cap Léon Veyrin, Listrac-Médoc
Certan de May de Certan, Pomerol
Chapelle d'Ausone, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Clarke, Listrac-Médoc
la Clémence, Pomerol
Clément-Pichon, Haut-Médoc
Clinet, Pomerol
Clos des Jacobins, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Clos du Clocher, Pomerol
Clos l'Eglise, Pomerol
Clos les Lunelles, Côtes de Castillon
Clos Saint-Martin, St-Emilion Grand Cru
la Commanderie de Mazeyres, Pomerol
Corbin, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Côte de Baleau, St-Emilion Grand Cru
la Couspaude, St-Emilion Grand Cru
le Crock, St-Estèphe
Croix de Labrie, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Destieux, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Destieux, St-Emilion Grand Cru
la Dominique, St-Emilion Grand Cru
l'Evangile, Pomerol
Faugères, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Faugères Cuvée Péby, St-Emilion Grand Cru
la Fleur de Boüard, Lalande de Pomerol
la Fleur de Gay, Pomerol
Fombrauge, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Fontenil, Fronsac
Franc-Mayne, St-Emilion Grand Cru
la Garde, Pessac-Léognan
le Gay, Pomerol
Giscours, Margaux
Grand Mayne, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Grand Ormeau, Lalande de Pomerol
Grand-Pontet, St-Emilion Grand Cru
les Grandes Murailles, St-Emilion Grand Cru
les Grands Chênes, Médoc
la Gravière, Lalande de Pomerol
Jean de Gué, Lalande de Pomerol
Julien, Haut-Médoc
Kirwan, Margaux
Larmande, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Larrivet-Haut-Brion, Pessac-Léognan
Lascombes, Margaux
Latour-Martillac, Pessac-Léognan
Léoville-Poyferré, St-Julien
Loudenne, Médoc
Magrez-Fombrauge, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Malartic-Lagravière, Pessac-Léognan
Malescot-Saint-Exupéry, Margaux
Monbousquet, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Pape Clément, Pessac-Léognan
Pavie, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Péby Faugères, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Petit Village, Pomerol
Phélan-Ségur, St-Estèphe
le Plus de la Fleur de Boüard, Lalande de Pomerol
Pontet-Canet, Pauillac
Ripeau, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Rochebelle, St-Emilion Grand Cru
Rouget, Pomerol
la Sérénité, Pessac-Léognan
Smith Haut Lafitte, Pessac-Léognan
la Tour-Carnet, Haut-Médoc
Troplong-Mondot, St-Emilion Grand Cru
de Valandraud, St-Emilion Grand Cru
la Violette, Pomerol
Virginie de Valandraud, St-Emilion Grand Cru
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#30 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » July 23rd, 2019, 2:47 pm

Love how it took Mark less than 4 minutes to whip that out! You and Alfert probably have that memorized! 🤓

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