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#1 Post by Jonathan Sirot » July 4th, 2019, 9:39 am

As most everyone is celebrating in some fashion, I am curious if folks are opening up any interesting wines ? If I was attending a party outside, would be likely enjoying some ice cold beers, however we will be doing dinner tonight at my family's house and everyone likes wine. so of course my job is to bring it.

I decided US wine is the only proper choice, and we are doing a surf and turf with steamed lobsters and Flannery Pave Wagyu New York steaks. Normally I like Champagne with lobster but my moms boyfriend is not a fan, so a chardonnay is in order. I decided upon my last prized btl of 13 Rivers Marie B Thierot Chardonnay. Hoping this bottle is as stunning as it was last time.

Having a bit more a tough time deciding on a red to accompany the beef. Was thinking a cab maybe a 2010 VHR or Bryant DB4 ? Or since the Wagyu should be very rich and we are serving it with a bernaise sauce, maybe an SQN Syrah ? Anyone have thoughts on which would work better ?

Any others drinking anything special or is it a beer, burgers, and dogs day ?

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#2 Post by Alan Eden » July 4th, 2019, 9:46 am

Today deserves something good so i just popped a Saxum 16 JBV to go with a Flannery Midwest 24 oz ribeye, im hoping the Saxum has that energy i so love in Justin's wines, ive not drunk many 16s yet so im keen to see whats happening. Agrapart 2008 Ultra brut with some pan fried scallops for starters

I am not over keen on Syrah with Wagyu, its too much of everything, SQN with prime strip or ribeye yes but not Wagyu, i would stick with a cab it would be better balanced as a meal
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#3 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 4th, 2019, 9:55 am

Mid-week we usually don't drink, but we probably will make an exception for the holiday and open a half bottle of something with burgers on the brill. Unfortunately, I don't think we have a domestic half to open. I'll scrounge something up
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#4 Post by Yao C » July 4th, 2019, 9:56 am

FWIW I prefer lighter, zippier reds with wagyu to cut through the fat

Tonight we're doing old white burgundy and chartreuse slushies [cheers.gif]
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#5 Post by Jonathan Sirot » July 4th, 2019, 10:12 am

Yao C wrote:
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FWIW I prefer lighter, zippier reds with wagyu to cut through the fat

Tonight we're doing old white burgundy and chartreuse slushies [cheers.gif]
Alan, agreed the Syrah might be too big and steal the show. I think as there are three of us sharing and 2 btls might not suffice, I will bring the VHR and something a bit lighter. Maybe a Dirty and Rowdy Mouvedre ?

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#6 Post by Markus S » July 4th, 2019, 10:39 am

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Mid-week we usually don't drink,...
C'mon, lighten up - it's nearly friday!
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#7 Post by Markus S » July 4th, 2019, 10:39 am

Since Jool-lie 4th is an American holiday, we should celebrate with cider or Madeira.
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#8 Post by Danius Barzdukas » July 4th, 2019, 11:10 am

Jonathan Sirot wrote:
July 4th, 2019, 9:39 am


I decided US wine is the only proper choice, and we are doing a surf and turf with steamed lobsters and Flannery Pave Wagyu New York steaks.
So US wine is the only proper choice, but Wagyu is okay? [scratch.gif]

I will open the 2017 Geyserville. I haven't tried it yet.
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#9 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 4th, 2019, 11:18 am

The French helped us gain our independence, so I am going to have some Champagne.
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#10 Post by M. Dildine » July 4th, 2019, 11:23 am

I'll see if I can find a Zinfandel to open.
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#11 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » July 4th, 2019, 11:25 am

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#12 Post by NoahR » July 4th, 2019, 11:38 am

Opened a 2013 Bedrock Nervo. Have some 1977 Sercial Madeira to sip. Beyond that, maybe tmzome Tiki cocktails. It’s hot as hell in DC!
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#13 Post by YLee » July 4th, 2019, 11:40 am

Danius Barzdukas wrote:
July 4th, 2019, 11:10 am
Jonathan Sirot wrote:
July 4th, 2019, 9:39 am


I decided US wine is the only proper choice, and we are doing a surf and turf with steamed lobsters and Flannery Pave Wagyu New York steaks.
So US wine is the only proper choice, but Wagyu is okay? [scratch.gif]
I was thinking the same. Lol
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#14 Post by AD Northup » July 4th, 2019, 11:45 am

2017 Tempier Rose to start (no July 4th celebration without the French), and a 2011 Donelan Obsidian Syrah with burgers later.
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#15 Post by Mike Van1 » July 4th, 2019, 11:49 am

Currently in England so enjoying some Aspall cider.
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#16 Post by M. Taylor » July 4th, 2019, 11:58 am

Having prime steaks later with a bottle of 2013 Mark Herold White Label
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#17 Post by Jonathan Sirot » July 4th, 2019, 12:03 pm

Granted the Wagyu beef is from Japanese Cattle. but aren't they the same breed, originally brought over, but raised and bred here in our country ? Or does Bryan get the beef imported from Japan ? That would surprise me. Even if the Cattle originally came from overseas, I consider it American if they are now raised here. Sorry for my lack of knowledge but this is my first go around with the Wagyu Pave. I did have an amazing Wagyu Rib cap years ago that served several of us.

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#18 Post by Scott Tallman » July 4th, 2019, 12:16 pm

If I drink anything today it will be beer. Something domestic and craft - prob Heater Allen, maybe some Upright or Oxbow.
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#19 Post by GregT » July 4th, 2019, 12:23 pm

Well if you consider that cows themselves aren't native to the USA but were bred from aurochs probably ten thousand years ago in Eurasia, but hot dogs (German) and hamburgers (German) are both considered distinctly American, most assuredly that Wagyu grown here is American. Ditto all the wines people are talking about - none of those grapes originate in the USA.

But from what was known as Hamburg steak, served in German restaurants in New York, somebody somewhere put it between two slices of bread and created the hamburger. Claims are Texas, Connecticut, Ohio and elsewhere, all due to the invention of a meat grinder by some German engineer. And hot dogs, or frankfurters, which are supposed to be made from pork but are now often made from beef, also were engineered into their current form in the USA. And of course there are earlier claims for both - the Romans and later the Mongols ate chopped meat and look at all the iterations throughout the middle east. Sausages too were made all over Europe and Asia. But since the Germans were the dominant influence in the 1800s US and we use their words for these things, we may as well go with them as the originators.

And fireworks of course were developed in China.

Seems like wine is a perfect accompaniment as we celebrate the country that took those elements from elsewhere in the world and turned them into American traditions.

Since we're going to some friends who will make some hamburgers, etc., we'll probably bring some Syrah because that's what we like. Haven't decided exactly what yet.
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#20 Post by Lee Short » July 4th, 2019, 12:24 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
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A little of this, a little of that... At our cabin with some other families.
I'm joining the Bedrock bandwagon. Having folks over for a mixed bbq on the Weber kettle (homemade 5-spice brats, chicken thighs in 2 marinades, smoked pork chops, shitakes in ginger/garlic, tomatoes, spring onions). Opening a Bedrock Old Vines Zin, and probably another red after that, depending if folks are drinking more wine or other beverages.

And since the French gave us help, the white will be Pepiere Clos des Briords.

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#21 Post by AndrewH » July 4th, 2019, 1:43 pm

Danius Barzdukas wrote:
July 4th, 2019, 11:10 am
Jonathan Sirot wrote:
July 4th, 2019, 9:39 am


I decided US wine is the only proper choice, and we are doing a surf and turf with steamed lobsters and Flannery Pave Wagyu New York steaks.
So US wine is the only proper choice, but Wagyu is okay? [scratch.gif]

Flannery sells American Wagyu, which are merely a type of cattle originally bred in Japan. Much like American Cabernet Sauvignon wine is, well, American grown grapes from a type of vine originally (or at least at one point) grown in France.
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#22 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » July 4th, 2019, 1:45 pm

2014 Turley Cedarman, most liikely (possibly 2006 Geyserville if there are last-minute changes to the menu)

Of course, that doesn't mean it's not a "beer day"....

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#23 Post by Jim Anderson » July 4th, 2019, 2:19 pm

I’m predicting dabbling in all 3 groups (spirits as well). Had a John Daly whilst cleaning up and prepping food. I’m sure a beer is in the near offing. Certainly expect wines running the gamut from pink to red. Covering the bases and what’s more American than baseball?
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#24 Post by Ethan H » July 4th, 2019, 2:31 pm

Here's a patriotic idea that is neither wine nor beer but is vetted (well, sort of) by sommeliers....
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#25 Post by Frank Murray III » July 4th, 2019, 3:15 pm

I have a Mouzon-Leroux L'ascendant bubbly chilling, and I am sampling through now a 2012 Rhys Bearwallow and 2016 Kutch Bohan pinot noirs. These all seem like a good fit for today. Staying away from big, dark wines today........scary!
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#26 Post by YLee » July 4th, 2019, 3:26 pm

GregT wrote:
July 4th, 2019, 12:23 pm
Well if you consider that cows themselves aren't native to the USA but were bred from aurochs probably ten thousand years ago in Eurasia, but hot dogs (German) and hamburgers (German) are both considered distinctly American, most assuredly that Wagyu grown here is American. Ditto all the wines people are talking about - none of those grapes originate in the USA.

But from what was known as Hamburg steak, served in German restaurants in New York, somebody somewhere put it between two slices of bread and created the hamburger. Claims are Texas, Connecticut, Ohio and elsewhere, all due to the invention of a meat grinder by some German engineer. And hot dogs, or frankfurters, which are supposed to be made from pork but are now often made from beef, also were engineered into their current form in the USA. And of course there are earlier claims for both - the Romans and later the Mongols ate chopped meat and look at all the iterations throughout the middle east. Sausages too were made all over Europe and Asia. But since the Germans were the dominant influence in the 1800s US and we use their words for these things, we may as well go with them as the originators.

And fireworks of course were developed in China.

Seems like wine is a perfect accompaniment as we celebrate the country that took those elements from elsewhere in the world and turned them into American traditions.

Since we're going to some friends who will make some hamburgers, etc., we'll probably bring some Syrah because that's what we like. Haven't decided exactly what yet.
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#29 Post by YLee » July 4th, 2019, 4:28 pm

Jonathan Sirot wrote:
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Granted the Wagyu beef is from Japanese Cattle. but aren't they the same breed, originally brought over, but raised and bred here in our country ? Or does Bryan get the beef imported from Japan ? That would surprise me. Even if the Cattle originally came from overseas, I consider it American if they are now raised here. Sorry for my lack of knowledge but this is my first go around with the Wagyu Pave. I did have an amazing Wagyu Rib cap years ago that served several of us.
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#30 Post by Paul Miller » July 4th, 2019, 4:33 pm

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#31 Post by Rich Brown » July 4th, 2019, 4:37 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
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A little of this, a little of that... At our cabin with some other families.
Now THAT....is how you do it!! Well played!!

Either starting with an older Carlisle white (Derivitive or Compagni Portis) or a Fine Disregard Semillon.

After that, going to try a 1983 Mayacamas Zin, and if that's no good, I have a 2009 Bedrock Heirloom ready to rock!

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#32 Post by John A Hunt » July 4th, 2019, 4:47 pm

Domaine Carneros Brut for bubbles to start, and a 2014 Turley Ueberroth for dinner.

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#33 Post by Ed Steinway » July 4th, 2019, 4:58 pm

Happy 4th to all! We opened a 2017 Ridge Geyserville. Absolutely delicious even at 2 years old.

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#37 Post by jcoley3 » July 4th, 2019, 6:39 pm

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#38 Post by Charlie Carnes » July 4th, 2019, 7:08 pm

The only wine we opened today was barefoot moscato in magnum. We make a punch with it with pineapple and rum, and plenty of ice cubes. Definitely not a wine day for us.
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#42 Post by Mark Thompson » July 4th, 2019, 8:34 pm

Only had French and Italian at the lake with us so I stuck with the “French helped us out” theme. ‘86 Haut Brion that is still arguably a bit young. I’ll probably wait several years to open another.

It had an interesting combo of HB minerality and black fruits with the tannic style of the vintage—I think the ‘86 style actually accentuates the mineral notes. Not really weedy like this vintage of LMHB has shown (not that I consider that a fault, necessarily). Also a bit austere, but opened up somewhat over a couple of hours. I’d like to see where this goes in 10-15 years—my best guess is slight improvement as I think there is enough fruit to hold up to the tannins, though it will never rival vintages like 89-90. 93/94 points with a bit of upside.

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#43 Post by Dean Fjelstul » July 4th, 2019, 8:43 pm

Started the evening with Aviation cocktails. Best I've ever made. Perfect balance. Finally understand why these are a classic. Followed up with Moonlight cocktails (Cointreau derivation on the Aviation). Not nearly as good. Dinner was the 2017 Arnot-Roberts Trousseau with Flannery June Traditional Blend burgers. First time having AR Trousseau and Flannery burgers. Burgers were soooooo meaty and good. Trousseau was great as well, maybe a little overwelmed by the burgers, but very nice anyway. Probably better with 'regular' burger meat not premium Flannery burgers. About to walk down to the ridge to catch the fireworks over the Bay. Will probably grab a road soda (Firestone Walker 805) from the garage. Happy Birthday America.

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#44 Post by Joe W i n o g r a d » July 4th, 2019, 9:26 pm

Vajra JC Clare on ice.... that’s nice.

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#45 Post by Wes Barton » July 5th, 2019, 12:33 am

Someone's count was 26 wines. Some highlights:
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#46 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 5th, 2019, 3:49 am

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#47 Post by Jeff VanDenbussche » July 5th, 2019, 6:20 am

We enjoyed Halibut from the grill accompanied by '14 Sojourn Durrell Vineyard Chardonnay. Both were delicious!

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Re: Anyone opening good wine for the 4th, or is it a beer day ?

#48 Post by CJ Beazley » July 5th, 2019, 6:38 am

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
July 4th, 2019, 11:25 am
A little of this, a little of that... At our cabin with some other families.
Give us the dets on that Arnot-Roberts Syrah when you get time, please.
It's C(raig)

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Re: Anyone opening good wine for the 4th, or is it a beer day ?

#49 Post by Dave McIsaac » July 5th, 2019, 8:06 am

After a hot and sweaty bike ride, downed a couple of Bell’s Oberon ales. Shower and shave, and onto the 2018 Tercero rose. With a dinner of grilled lamb chops, corn on the cob (first of the summer) and some wild rice, opened a bottle of 2017 Vincent Bjornson Vineyard Gamay Noir , which was a nice match with the lamb.

Two very tasty wines

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Re: Anyone opening good wine for the 4th, or is it a beer day ?

#50 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » July 5th, 2019, 8:23 am

Nice cool 4th on Oregon South Coast so we had a 10 Broken Stones with BBQ brisket. Got out for fireworks too.

Nearly erased the taste of an awful Weds at work. American medicine is in the shitter.
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