What are you drinking in homage of the demise of eBob? 1995 Ch. Bel-Air Marquis d’Aligre for me.

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Re: What are you drinking in homage of the demise of eBob? 1995 Ch. Bel-Air Marquis d’Aligre for me.

#51 Post by Steve Manzi » July 5th, 2019, 1:16 pm

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Do you both think that was true in the later stages of his career? I do not. I followed Parker for years, say 1992-2000, then took a wine hiatus. I came back in/around 2005, joined eBob and reads his review, and either his palate was quite different, mine was, the market changed, or more likely, all of the above. Although, I think my palate from 92-99 is quite similar to where it is now. When I came back to the wine arena, I bought a lot of things blindly based on my prior perception of Parker, and many of those purchases turned out to be terrible for me.
I agree Robert. He got where he loved goopy wines. Sure, he appreciated and could identify certain high end traditional wines, but I absolutely believe his ability to taste was burned from his memory and only the most in your face wines were something that he looked for. I mean, he gave mid 90s to stuff that was almost undrinkable because it was so "hot" and goopy. This coming from someone who loved the BIG Aussies. But he burned me out on those so badly, I have not had an Aussie wine in a decade.
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#52 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » July 5th, 2019, 1:32 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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The reason you may be less aware of that is that you were probably looking at Parker to find you good wines that you didn't know about or read his view of the whole line up of bordeaux or whatever. And for that, if your tastes were AFWE, he was like a stopped clock. He could be right, but you couldn't depend on him.
There is some serious merit to that statement, though I still believe his palate changed significantly as he aged. I think his call on 2007 CDP and his canonization of Cambie, Rolland, et al., was symptomatic of that change. Incidentally, I experienced my father's palate changing the exact same way, same exact time. My Dad, who introduced me to classic French wines, once he hit his 70s, which was around the release of the 2007 CDP vintage, went hard right as well. More and more he started preferring bigger, more high-octane wines and being more appreciated of oak notes. My dad calls the 2007 Clos des Papes the greatest wine he has ever had. I served it to him a few years ago.
It's hard to say if his palate changed since most of the monstrosities to which he gave rave reviews didn't much exist before 95 or so. Even classic CdPs don't look like the CdPs of the 80s. It maybe that when he found the monstrosities they were more of what he was always looking for since he always did champion depth of fruit over structure and lift.

By the way, I'm 69 and I started out on Cdp and then hit the AFWE stuff (though I still like CdP).

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#53 Post by Claus Jeppesen » September 10th, 2019, 8:56 am

I got my BAMA bottles yesterday
The 1995 is simply very very good. This is my kind of Bordeaux
Taste is wonderfully Loire herbaceous and the scent is fantastic
Which vintages are the best for BAMA?
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#54 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 10th, 2019, 9:06 am

“Best” is so relative, but I really do like the 2000 a lot. The 1996 is very good, but just a notch behind 2000 and 1995. As soon as the shipping season comes, I have a mixed case on hold with additional vintages, like 1998, 2001 and 2005.

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#55 Post by Claus Jeppesen » September 10th, 2019, 9:19 am

What about 1970, 1971. 1982
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#56 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 10th, 2019, 9:34 am

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
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What about 1970, 1971. 1982
I’m too young. [wow.gif]

I have not tried those, but recall William Kelley speaking highly of the 1970.

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#57 Post by Claus Jeppesen » September 10th, 2019, 9:42 am

I am too young too neener
But they are, like 1995, 1996, 2000 currently available
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#58 Post by Julian Marshall » September 11th, 2019, 1:47 am

I've had a lot of BAMA over the last year. I don't always post about them because it becomes overkill after a while! This summer, I've had three each of 95, 96 and 98, plus one 00 and one 01. None of them were in bad condition, luckily for me. I'm glad you liked the 95, Claus, it is indeed very, very good. For drinking now, it's the best, but as Robert says, this is relative: the 96 and the 98 are also very, very good. The 00 will I think be better than any of the three, but not yet. The 01s I've had have been great, but just below the standards of the 95, 96 and 98.

If I was to choose a six-pack, I would take 2 x 95, 2 x 96 and 2 x 00. For 12, I would add more 00, a couple of 98 and some younger vintages.

I'm not sure I would take the 70, 71 and the 82, although I'd love to try them, simply because they are a lot more expensive: the risk of duff bottles is high with BAMA and proportionally higher with these, but each to his own on this.

Bel Air Marquis d'Aligre is not the best wine on the planet, but rediscovering it last year has been, as I think I mused at the time, a complete game-changer. It has forced me to re-assess my taste, especially for Margaux. I'm not an ante-antediluvian Luddite, but I do like a sense of place in a wine - I like a Margaux to taste like one. Tasting BAMA reminded me of what they all used to taste like back in the olden days - it's only personal preference, not a universal "truth", but I realized how much I missed the freshness and the elegance, without even knowing that I did. So there are rather a lot of wines in my cellar that I just can't drink anymore - they taste tarty and uncivilized.

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#59 Post by Claus Jeppesen » September 11th, 2019, 11:11 am

Thanks a lot for the great information, Julian
Will, however purchase some older BAMAS
They are not that expensive
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#60 Post by Julian Marshall » September 12th, 2019, 1:45 am

Great stuff, Claus - I look forward to hearing what they're like!

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