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#201 Post by Gray G » July 10th, 2019, 6:57 pm

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#202 Post by Roy Piper » July 11th, 2019, 11:58 am

I could never find a way to sign on to the thing! Even when I was a subscriber. It was harder to get into than finding Waldo.
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#203 Post by WvanGorp » July 12th, 2019, 12:57 pm

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Parker was brilliant to close his board to non-subscribers and to have Squires run the board like a tyrant. I mean, it sucked for those of us who were non-subscribers or didn't line up with his wine preferences, but the dude sold his company for $15M by positioning himself as the supreme arbiter of taste in wine and drowning out dissent. Doesn't seem like a bad business decision to me.
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#204 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » July 12th, 2019, 1:02 pm

WvanGorp wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 12:57 pm
A.Gillette wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 8:43 am
Parker was brilliant to close his board to non-subscribers and to have Squires run the board like a tyrant. I mean, it sucked for those of us who were non-subscribers or didn't line up with his wine preferences, but the dude sold his company for $15M by positioning himself as the supreme arbiter of taste in wine and drowning out dissent. Doesn't seem like a bad business decision to me.
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#205 Post by Gray G » July 12th, 2019, 1:34 pm

Roy Piper wrote:
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I could never find a way to sign on to the thing! Even when I was a subscriber. It was harder to get into than finding Waldo.
that is funny, yes the interweb is a funny thing with the WA changes, need to be a IT software person
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#206 Post by Gray G » July 12th, 2019, 1:39 pm

WvanGorp wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 12:57 pm
A.Gillette wrote:
July 10th, 2019, 8:43 am
Parker was brilliant to close his board to non-subscribers and to have Squires run the board like a tyrant. I mean, it sucked for those of us who were non-subscribers or didn't line up with his wine preferences, but the dude sold his company for $15M by positioning himself as the supreme arbiter of taste in wine and drowning out dissent. Doesn't seem like a bad business decision to me.
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Imagine what he could have gotten for it if he had run it in a half intelligent way.
it's all good, hard to have had a better outcome unless there was a better partnership/buyer out there, like CT??? or keeping AG and JD as partners then selling????

imagine trying to sell now?

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#207 Post by Dan Hammer » July 13th, 2019, 8:36 am

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#208 Post by Steve Manzi » July 13th, 2019, 11:11 am

Gray G wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 1:34 pm
Roy Piper wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 11:58 am
I could never find a way to sign on to the thing! Even when I was a subscriber. It was harder to get into than finding Waldo.
that is funny, yes the interweb is a funny thing with the WA changes, need to be a IT software person
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#209 Post by Ian Sutton » July 13th, 2019, 12:40 pm

Perhaps it will give them additional time to work on MyWines?
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#210 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 13th, 2019, 1:20 pm

Steve Manzi wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 11:11 am
Gray G wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 1:34 pm
Roy Piper wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 11:58 am
I could never find a way to sign on to the thing! Even when I was a subscriber. It was harder to get into than finding Waldo.
that is funny, yes the interweb is a funny thing with the WA changes, need to be a IT software person
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#211 Post by Steve Manzi » July 13th, 2019, 2:12 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 1:20 pm
Steve Manzi wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 11:11 am
Gray G wrote:
July 12th, 2019, 1:34 pm


that is funny, yes the interweb is a funny thing with the WA changes, need to be a IT software person
Gary,

Doesn't everyone have to have the full name somewhere? Maybe I am missing it.
Observed in the breach, I am afraid.
Ahhhh.....I did a forensic search and found it. Thanks. [wink.gif]
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#212 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 15th, 2019, 7:37 am

FYI, a reliable source has told me that Michelin, which bought a minority interest in WA a couple of years ago, recently bought the controlling interest from the original Chinese investors who bought out Parker, and has a new plan for the future of WA. Here's what I found out - copy/pasted from the source:

"In the wake of the change in control, an official announcement of Parker's retirement was made, despite Parker having being inactive for over two years and largely a non-event, due to health problems. Michelin is said to be of the view that the Parker name has lost its magic worldwide, now including Asia, which had been his last new beachhead before dropping out. It also shut down the WA print edition, and Hedonist's Gazette has languished for months with no new posts, while food-related items have been parked elsewhere on the website. Finally, the recent announcement of the closing of the Squires board was made.

Michelin co-ventured with WA to get into the events business, which, as Suckling's incredible financial success despite his buffoonery will attest, is where the money and future of wine activity lies for wine reviewing outfits. (Indeed, Suckling has let his reviewing activities languish while focusing on events, and events now dominate WA's efforts as well, while Galloni, the father of the "independent" wine journal event, La Festa del Barolo, has taken a wrong turn and gone all-in on scores and numbers, at the expense of a once-more vital events schedule.) While it remains to be seen what Michelin does with the scores and numbers aspect of the business, it is said that Michelin favors food and wine events over scores and numbers, so it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

A clear indication of the change in control was a recent blast e-mail, ostensibly under WA letterhead, for a four-figure Napa dinner with a Michelin-starred chef. The name "Michelin" appeared prominently a number of times, with the patented red ink, while Lisa Perrotti-Brown's name was misspelled three times. Despite the fact that her editorial skills are legendary (many here admired her Joycean stream-of-consciousness incomplete opening sentence in the Parker retirement release), it seems unlikely that she would misspell her own name three times in a brief e-mail without noticing, so Michelin may have already taken primary responsibility for the events agenda."
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#213 Post by M.Kaplan » July 15th, 2019, 7:47 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
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...
Short version (with apologies to T.S. Eliot): "This is the way the WA ends / Not with a bang but a whimper."
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#214 Post by Matt Fleming » July 15th, 2019, 8:01 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 7:37 am
as Suckling's incredible financial success despite his buffoonery will attest, is where the money and future of wine activity lies for wine reviewing outfits. (Indeed, Suckling has let his reviewing activities languish while focusing on events, and events now dominate WA's efforts as well, while Galloni, the father of the "independent" wine journal event, La Festa del Barolo, has taken a wrong turn and gone all-in on scores and numbers, at the expense of a once-more vital events schedule.) While it remains to be seen what Michelin does with the scores and numbers aspect of the business, it is said that Michelin favors food and wine events over scores and numbers, so it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

"Michelin" appeared prominently a number of times, with the patented red ink,
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#215 Post by Victor Hong » July 15th, 2019, 9:14 am

Matt Fleming wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 8:01 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 7:37 am
as Suckling's incredible financial success despite his buffoonery will attest, is where the money and future of wine activity lies for wine reviewing outfits. (Indeed, Suckling has let his reviewing activities languish while focusing on events, and events now dominate WA's efforts as well, while Galloni, the father of the "independent" wine journal event, La Festa del Barolo, has taken a wrong turn and gone all-in on scores and numbers, at the expense of a once-more vital events schedule.) While it remains to be seen what Michelin does with the scores and numbers aspect of the business, it is said that Michelin favors food and wine events over scores and numbers, so it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

"Michelin" appeared prominently a number of times, with the patented red ink,
If ever there existed several paragraphs to tell you never to trust the reviewing industry, there they are. The money does not lie in honest appraisal, instead it lies with affirming the good taste of those who pay.
Allen Meadows and Gil Lempert-Schwarz would disagree.
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#216 Post by GregT » July 15th, 2019, 11:58 am

Indeed. While standing as examples of the statement's veracity.

Todd's source is a fun writer in any case.
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#217 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 15th, 2019, 12:17 pm

Dan Hammer wrote:
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I would suggest that MS laid the founding stone in Wineberserkers. neener

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#218 Post by Barry P » July 15th, 2019, 12:23 pm

Parker should wait out his non-compete. Start a small, critical review of Bordeaux. Paper only. Surface mail delivery only. Call it, "The Bordeaux Report." Make it folksy.

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#219 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 15th, 2019, 12:26 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:17 pm
Dan Hammer wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 8:36 am
I would suggest that MS laid the founding stone in Wineberserkers. neener

I wonder when Todd is gonna sell us out. The bastard.

PS. Todd, I have an ace team of corporate transactions lawyers when you are ready to sell. I come along free.
I'll dial you up if that happens.

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#220 Post by Tom DeBiase » July 15th, 2019, 12:29 pm

Barry P wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:23 pm
Parker should wait out his non-compete. Start a small, critical review of Bordeaux. Paper only. Surface mail delivery only. Call it, "The Bordeaux Report." Make it folksy.

Everything old, is new again.
I have no dog in this fight and could care less but that is one hell of an idea and my guess is it would be a huge success.

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#221 Post by Jayson Cohen » July 15th, 2019, 1:41 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:17 pm
Dan Hammer wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 8:36 am
I would suggest that MS laid the founding stone in Wineberserkers. neener

I wonder when Todd is gonna sell us out. The bastard.

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#222 Post by GregT » July 15th, 2019, 3:21 pm

Tom DeBiase wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:29 pm
Barry P wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:23 pm
Parker should wait out his non-compete. Start a small, critical review of Bordeaux. Paper only. Surface mail delivery only. Call it, "The Bordeaux Report." Make it folksy.

Everything old, is new again.
I have no dog in this fight and could care less but that is one hell of an idea and my guess is it would be a huge success.

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Can't say from firsthand knowledge but my understanding is that the issue is no longer a non-compete agreement. It's his physical ability to get around and to taste. He's in bad shape, can't travel, and not only will various meds screw with his taste, the alcohol isn't going to help.
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#223 Post by Tom DeBiase » July 15th, 2019, 3:29 pm

GregT wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 3:21 pm
Tom DeBiase wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:29 pm
Barry P wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:23 pm
Parker should wait out his non-compete. Start a small, critical review of Bordeaux. Paper only. Surface mail delivery only. Call it, "The Bordeaux Report." Make it folksy.

Everything old, is new again.
I have no dog in this fight and could care less but that is one hell of an idea and my guess is it would be a huge success.

Tom
Can't say from firsthand knowledge but my understanding is that the issue is no longer a non-compete agreement. It's his physical ability to get around and to taste. He's in bad shape, can't travel, and not only will various meds screw with his taste, the alcohol isn't going to help.
I know there is a lot of reviewing competition and other data points these days but Bob's following is LOYAL (this board is not remotely representative of his base). Honestly think he could do it from his home in Maryland and it would be pretty damn successful.

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#224 Post by Jeb Dunnuck » July 15th, 2019, 5:48 pm

GregT wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 3:21 pm
Can't say from firsthand knowledge but my understanding is that the issue is no longer a non-compete agreement. It's his physical ability to get around and to taste. He's in bad shape, can't travel, and not only will various meds screw with his taste, the alcohol isn't going to help.
Sorry Greg, I can say with firsthand knowledge your understanding is wrong.
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#225 Post by larry schaffer » July 15th, 2019, 6:03 pm

Jeb Dunnuck wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 5:48 pm
GregT wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 3:21 pm
Can't say from firsthand knowledge but my understanding is that the issue is no longer a non-compete agreement. It's his physical ability to get around and to taste. He's in bad shape, can't travel, and not only will various meds screw with his taste, the alcohol isn't going to help.
Sorry Greg, I can say with firsthand knowledge your understanding is wrong.
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#226 Post by Alan Rath » July 15th, 2019, 6:17 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:03 pm
Jeb Dunnuck wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 5:48 pm
Sorry Greg, I can say with firsthand knowledge your understanding is wrong.
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Jeb's answer isn't very helpful. If he knows, he should enlighten. If he's not free to tell us more, than just saying "you're wrong", but not about which aspect, is not much help.

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#227 Post by GregT » July 15th, 2019, 7:46 pm

Agreed. As I said, it's not from firsthand knowledge so I'm most likely wrong. I hope Bob's OK for many years to come. But it's actually what's going around the wine world.
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#228 Post by Gray G » July 15th, 2019, 7:52 pm

thank you Jeb

having your health is often taken for granted just like many things

hope RP regains his health and enjoys his wine everyday forever and ever

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#229 Post by Eric LeVine » July 15th, 2019, 7:53 pm

Gray G wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 7:52 pm
thank you Jeb

having your health is often taken for granted just like many things

hope RP regains his health and enjoys his wine everyday forever and ever

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#230 Post by Randy Bowman » July 15th, 2019, 8:02 pm

If there could be a comparison, I followed the Parker palate. I drank all the Shiraz and smoked the best cigars. I lost my palate for old world wine and found myself in need of extreme wines. The end result, I don't/can't travel much and drink fruit forward Pinot, lots of it, followed by bigger wines for dinner.
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#231 Post by Brad Kane » July 15th, 2019, 8:15 pm

Randy Bowman wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 8:02 pm
If there could be a comparison, I followed the Parker palate. I drank all the Shiraz and smoked the best cigars. I lost my palate for old world wine and found myself in need of extreme wines. The end result, I don't/can't travel much and drink fruit forward Pinot, lots of it, followed by bigger wines for dinner.
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#232 Post by Gray G » July 15th, 2019, 8:37 pm

Randy Bowman wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 8:02 pm
If there could be a comparison, I followed the Parker palate. I drank all the Shiraz and smoked the best cigars. I lost my palate for old world wine and found myself in need of extreme wines. The end result, I don't/can't travel much and drink fruit forward Pinot, lots of it, followed by bigger wines for dinner.
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#233 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 15th, 2019, 9:10 pm

Brad Kane wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 8:15 pm
Randy Bowman wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 8:02 pm
If there could be a comparison, I followed the Parker palate. I drank all the Shiraz and smoked the best cigars. I lost my palate for old world wine and found myself in need of extreme wines. The end result, I don't/can't travel much and drink fruit forward Pinot, lots of it, followed by bigger wines for dinner.
My condolences, Randy. Get well soon!
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#234 Post by Gray G » July 16th, 2019, 3:32 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:26 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:17 pm
Dan Hammer wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 8:36 am
I would suggest that MS laid the founding stone in Wineberserkers. neener

I wonder when Todd is gonna sell us out. The bastard.

PS. Todd, I have an ace team of corporate transactions lawyers when you are ready to sell. I come along free.
I'll dial you up if that happens.

Thus far I've had 3 offers to buy WB and all have been beyond laughable, so unfortunately you're still stuck with me. I guess the offers reflect the revenue model, but since the revenue model is crap I can't expect much more!
come on Todd, most everyone on here provides great content except me of course, that's the real value, LOL
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#235 Post by Arv R » July 16th, 2019, 3:37 pm

Matt Fleming wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 8:01 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 7:37 am
as Suckling's incredible financial success despite his buffoonery will attest, is where the money and future of wine activity lies for wine reviewing outfits. (Indeed, Suckling has let his reviewing activities languish while focusing on events, and events now dominate WA's efforts as well, while Galloni, the father of the "independent" wine journal event, La Festa del Barolo, has taken a wrong turn and gone all-in on scores and numbers, at the expense of a once-more vital events schedule.) While it remains to be seen what Michelin does with the scores and numbers aspect of the business, it is said that Michelin favors food and wine events over scores and numbers, so it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

"Michelin" appeared prominently a number of times, with the patented red ink,
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#236 Post by Anton D » July 16th, 2019, 3:39 pm

Sold to Michelin!?!?!?!

Holy crap, I am not ready for a restaurant with 100 Michelin Stars.
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#237 Post by Robert Dentice » July 16th, 2019, 4:07 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 7:37 am
FYI, a reliable source has told me that Michelin, which bought a minority interest in WA a couple of years ago, recently bought the controlling interest from the original Chinese investors who bought out Parker, and has a new plan for the future of WA. Here's what I found out - copy/pasted from the source:

"In the wake of the change in control, an official announcement of Parker's retirement was made, despite Parker having being inactive for over two years and largely a non-event, due to health problems. Michelin is said to be of the view that the Parker name has lost its magic worldwide, now including Asia, which had been his last new beachhead before dropping out. It also shut down the WA print edition, and Hedonist's Gazette has languished for months with no new posts, while food-related items have been parked elsewhere on the website. Finally, the recent announcement of the closing of the Squires board was made.

Michelin co-ventured with WA to get into the events business, which, as Suckling's incredible financial success despite his buffoonery will attest, is where the money and future of wine activity lies for wine reviewing outfits. (Indeed, Suckling has let his reviewing activities languish while focusing on events, and events now dominate WA's efforts as well, while Galloni, the father of the "independent" wine journal event, La Festa del Barolo, has taken a wrong turn and gone all-in on scores and numbers, at the expense of a once-more vital events schedule.) While it remains to be seen what Michelin does with the scores and numbers aspect of the business, it is said that Michelin favors food and wine events over scores and numbers, so it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

A clear indication of the change in control was a recent blast e-mail, ostensibly under WA letterhead, for a four-figure Napa dinner with a Michelin-starred chef. The name "Michelin" appeared prominently a number of times, with the patented red ink, while Lisa Perrotti-Brown's name was misspelled three times. Despite the fact that her editorial skills are legendary (many here admired her Joycean stream-of-consciousness incomplete opening sentence in the Parker retirement release), it seems unlikely that she would misspell her own name three times in a brief e-mail without noticing, so Michelin may have already taken primary responsibility for the events agenda."
Just before the announcement of the bulletin board closing, Monica Larner said on the board that they do not make money on events. I found it very hard to believe.

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#238 Post by GregT » July 16th, 2019, 4:32 pm

They're not selling tickets like WS does for the Wine Experience. A few of the producers told me that they had very few tasters stop by their tables. They really need an event manager or someone with experience in that sector.
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Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)

#239 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 16th, 2019, 4:59 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:17 pm
larry schaffer wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:03 pm
Jeb Dunnuck wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 5:48 pm
Sorry Greg, I can say with firsthand knowledge your understanding is wrong.
Bam!
Jeb's answer isn't very helpful. If he knows, he should enlighten. If he's not free to tell us more, than just saying "you're wrong", but not about which aspect, is not much help.

Not that it matter much to me either way, I don't believe Parker is coming back as a force in the wine world.
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Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)

#240 Post by Rick Smith » July 16th, 2019, 5:49 pm

Anton D wrote:
July 16th, 2019, 3:39 pm
Sold to Michelin!?!?!?!

Holy crap, I am not ready for a restaurant with 100 Michelin Stars.
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#241 Post by Rick Smith » July 16th, 2019, 5:50 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 1:41 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:17 pm
Dan Hammer wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 8:36 am
I would suggest that MS laid the founding stone in Wineberserkers. neener

I wonder when Todd is gonna sell us out. The bastard.

PS. Todd, I have an ace team of corporate transactions lawyers when you are ready to sell. I come along free.
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#242 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 17th, 2019, 5:18 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
July 16th, 2019, 4:59 pm
Alan Rath wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:17 pm
larry schaffer wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:03 pm

Bam!
Jeb's answer isn't very helpful. If he knows, he should enlighten. If he's not free to tell us more, than just saying "you're wrong", but not about which aspect, is not much help.

Not that it matter much to me either way, I don't believe Parker is coming back as a force in the wine world.
Why don’t you put in a FOIA request. You seem to think you are entitled to it.
For a number of exceptionally boring reasons, a FOIA request is unlikely to help. Most importantly, it is extremely unlikely you'd get any response on a timeline that does any good.
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Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)

#243 Post by Victor Hong » July 17th, 2019, 5:20 am

With regard to federal agency cooperation, the FOIA response process has become utterly broken.
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Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)

#244 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 17th, 2019, 5:25 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
July 17th, 2019, 5:18 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
July 16th, 2019, 4:59 pm

Why don’t you put in a FOIA request. You seem to think you are entitled to it.
For a number of exceptionally boring reasons, a FOIA request is unlikely to help. Most importantly, it is extremely unlikely you'd get any response on a timeline that does any good.
Perhaps if I had included this... ;)

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#245 Post by brigcampbell » July 17th, 2019, 7:15 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:26 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:17 pm
Dan Hammer wrote:
July 13th, 2019, 8:36 am
I would suggest that MS laid the founding stone in Wineberserkers. neener

I wonder when Todd is gonna sell us out. The bastard.

PS. Todd, I have an ace team of corporate transactions lawyers when you are ready to sell. I come along free.
I'll dial you up if that happens.

Thus far I've had 3 offers to buy WB and all have been beyond laughable, so unfortunately you're still stuck with me. I guess the offers reflect the revenue model, but since the revenue model is crap I can't expect much more!
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#246 Post by Jorge Henriquez » July 17th, 2019, 7:29 am

brigcampbell wrote:
July 17th, 2019, 7:15 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:26 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:17 pm



I wonder when Todd is gonna sell us out. The bastard.

PS. Todd, I have an ace team of corporate transactions lawyers when you are ready to sell. I come along free.
I'll dial you up if that happens.

Thus far I've had 3 offers to buy WB and all have been beyond laughable, so unfortunately you're still stuck with me. I guess the offers reflect the revenue model, but since the revenue model is crap I can't expect much more!
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Re: Mark Squires' BB to close for good - UPDATED (WA sold to Michelin)

#247 Post by brigcampbell » July 17th, 2019, 8:31 am

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#248 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 17th, 2019, 10:28 am

Robert Dentice wrote:
July 16th, 2019, 4:07 pm
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 7:37 am
FYI, a reliable source has told me that Michelin, which bought a minority interest in WA a couple of years ago, recently bought the controlling interest from the original Chinese investors who bought out Parker, and has a new plan for the future of WA. Here's what I found out - copy/pasted from the source:

"In the wake of the change in control, an official announcement of Parker's retirement was made, despite Parker having being inactive for over two years and largely a non-event, due to health problems. Michelin is said to be of the view that the Parker name has lost its magic worldwide, now including Asia, which had been his last new beachhead before dropping out. It also shut down the WA print edition, and Hedonist's Gazette has languished for months with no new posts, while food-related items have been parked elsewhere on the website. Finally, the recent announcement of the closing of the Squires board was made.

Michelin co-ventured with WA to get into the events business, which, as Suckling's incredible financial success despite his buffoonery will attest, is where the money and future of wine activity lies for wine reviewing outfits. (Indeed, Suckling has let his reviewing activities languish while focusing on events, and events now dominate WA's efforts as well, while Galloni, the father of the "independent" wine journal event, La Festa del Barolo, has taken a wrong turn and gone all-in on scores and numbers, at the expense of a once-more vital events schedule.) While it remains to be seen what Michelin does with the scores and numbers aspect of the business, it is said that Michelin favors food and wine events over scores and numbers, so it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

A clear indication of the change in control was a recent blast e-mail, ostensibly under WA letterhead, for a four-figure Napa dinner with a Michelin-starred chef. The name "Michelin" appeared prominently a number of times, with the patented red ink, while Lisa Perrotti-Brown's name was misspelled three times. Despite the fact that her editorial skills are legendary (many here admired her Joycean stream-of-consciousness incomplete opening sentence in the Parker retirement release), it seems unlikely that she would misspell her own name three times in a brief e-mail without noticing, so Michelin may have already taken primary responsibility for the events agenda."
Just before the announcement of the bulletin board closing, Monica Larner said on the board that they do not make money on events. I found it very hard to believe.
Absolutely can be true...technically. If they pull the profits as distributions or salary, technically...no profit...
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