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#1 Post by Julian Marshall » July 1st, 2019, 8:51 am

Just FYI, it was announced earlier today that the Mark Squires' BB will close for good on or around July 15th (if someone else has already posted about this, my apologies). It had been limping along for several years, so no real loss, but I couldn't help feeling a little nostalgic when I read the news. That this should be planned for the day after the commemoration of the taking of the Bastille is, I'm sure, pure coincidence. There are still one or two quality reviewers, notably William Kelley, but TWA does increasingly look like the Norwegian Blue parrot.

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#2 Post by Henry Kiichli » July 1st, 2019, 8:54 am

Wow.

Make your club too exclusive...
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#3 Post by Mark Golodetz » July 1st, 2019, 9:00 am

Sheer Stupidity; what an asset and then it was allowed to fizzle and die.
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#4 Post by Anton D » July 1st, 2019, 9:06 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:00 am
Sheer Stupidity; what an asset and then it was allowed to fizzle and die.
The title of the thread is perfect.

Mark Squires was the James Dolan of internet forum 'owners.'

Here's to the ultimate rise of the lazy, narrow agenda administrators who offer little in the way of content and substance!!! [cheers.gif]
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#5 Post by Henry Kiichli » July 1st, 2019, 9:10 am

What? It's still alive? I thought it died years ago...
"Police say Henry smelled of alcohol and acknowledged drinking a six-pack of Hamm’s beer with the hogs"

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#6 Post by Howard Cooper » July 1st, 2019, 9:13 am

Henry Kiichli wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:10 am
What? It's still alive? I thought it died years ago...
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#7 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 1st, 2019, 9:28 am

Anton D wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:06 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:00 am
Sheer Stupidity; what an asset and then it was allowed to fizzle and die.
The title of the thread is perfect.

Mark Squires was the James Dolan of internet forum 'owners.'

Here's to the ultimate rise of the lazy, narrow agenda administrators who offer little in the way of content and substance!!! [cheers.gif]
AND a penchant for gossip!
Apparently I'm lazy, have a narrow agenda, and offer little in the way of content and substance (RMP) (and have a "penchant for gossip" -KBI)

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#8 Post by Anton D » July 1st, 2019, 9:36 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:28 am
Anton D wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:06 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:00 am
Sheer Stupidity; what an asset and then it was allowed to fizzle and die.
The title of the thread is perfect.

Mark Squires was the James Dolan of internet forum 'owners.'

Here's to the ultimate rise of the lazy, narrow agenda administrators who offer little in the way of content and substance!!! [cheers.gif]
AND a penchant for gossip!
That was my homage to you. You do a GREAT job.

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#9 Post by M.Kaplan » July 1st, 2019, 9:40 am

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#10 Post by John Morris » July 1st, 2019, 9:50 am

Once upon a time I might have been nostalgic. But it seems like such a long time ago.

WB feels like a happy, enduring second marriage after a disastrous first try. [wink.gif]
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#11 Post by Dan Hammer » July 1st, 2019, 9:53 am

Anton D wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:06 am


Here's to the ultimate rise of the lazy, narrow agenda administrators who offer little in the way of content and substance!!! [cheers.gif]
I never had an opinion of him until I PM'd him to give him a heads up about an issue that a high visibility poster had. His response to me was sort of [beatoff.gif] More like a F/U a$$hole I don't care. I was sort of expecting sorry to hear the sad news.

So MS if you're reading, allow me this editorial comment > [soap.gif]
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#12 Post by Chris S p i k e s » July 1st, 2019, 9:55 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:00 am
Sheer Stupidity; what an asset and then it was allowed to fizzle and die.
While I don't think he disagreed with any of the actions, I wonder how much of running that board was acting on Parker's direction as his henchman? And, how much money did they miss on due to ego and lack of vision?

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#13 Post by Ian S » July 1st, 2019, 10:16 am

Anton D wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:36 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:28 am
Anton D wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:06 am


The title of the thread is perfect.

Mark Squires was the James Dolan of internet forum 'owners.'

Here's to the ultimate rise of the lazy, narrow agenda administrators who offer little in the way of content and substance!!! [cheers.gif]
AND a penchant for gossip!
That was my homage to you. You do a GREAT job.

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psssst, Anton - go wipe that brown smudge off the tip of your nose. [snort.gif]
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#14 Post by Ian S » July 1st, 2019, 10:17 am

John Morris wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:50 am

WB feels like a happy, enduring second marriage after a disastrous first try. [wink.gif]
I don't know the first wife, and barely have met this second one, but it seems to me more like a dysfunctional family that somehow still cares for each other despite the bickering.
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#15 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 1st, 2019, 10:18 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:00 am
Sheer Stupidity; what an asset and then it was allowed to fizzle and die.
"Allowed" seems too passive to me. Parker and Squires killed it. Bob got tired of people taking pot-shots at him on his own board and reacting in kind to his vehement hot takes. His choice, of course, but it was a shame for the wine community. It was a lively place for a long time.

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#16 Post by Anton D » July 1st, 2019, 10:28 am

Ian S wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 10:16 am
Anton D wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:36 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:28 am


AND a penchant for gossip!
That was my homage to you. You do a GREAT job.

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psssst, Anton - go wipe that brown smudge off the tip of your nose. [snort.gif]
After I get the taste out of my mouth.

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#17 Post by jeffmazen » July 1st, 2019, 10:42 am

The HiFi forums all seem to be safe zones. I got shut down on pretty much all of them before I even got warmed up. I keep most of my opinions to myself over here but those guys are world class pussies.
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#18 Post by Jeremy C » July 1st, 2019, 10:47 am

For those of us who were not part of that board, how did it compare (during its heyday) to this one?
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#19 Post by Matt Fleming » July 1st, 2019, 10:56 am

Jeremy C wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 10:47 am
For those of us who were not part of that board, how did it compare (during its heyday) to this one?
Some of the participants over there drank rather surprising amounts of '45 Mouton-Rothschild (l’année de revoir). And surprising amounts of pre-1960 Ponsot Clos St. Denis.

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#20 Post by Victor Hong » July 1st, 2019, 10:59 am

Jeremy C wrote:
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For those of us who were not part of that board, how did it compare (during its heyday) to this one?
That would be like a Salomon Brothers or First Boston old-timer telling a newly minted junior analyst what Wall Street used to be.
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#21 Post by Gray G » July 1st, 2019, 10:59 am

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#22 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » July 1st, 2019, 11:01 am

Before Squires started banning everyone in sight (and there was a before), and thus before this board started, it was almost as wide ranging and informative. It also had the same share of contentious people who would hit rages too fast. But it had one other drawback this board did not. The presence of Parker meant, even before board bannings, that discussions fell into pro-Parker and anti-Parker noise much faster and much more completely. The kind of back and forth between Jeff Leve and Robert Alfert, for instance, would not have been able to maintain its good humor even if Jeff Leve and Alfert had.

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#23 Post by Thomas Keim » July 1st, 2019, 11:05 am

Jeremy C wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 10:47 am
For those of us who were not part of that board, how did it compare (during its heyday) to this one?
Much more moderated to the point of being obnoxiously overdone. I once wrote a post on one winery's actions being "bush league" and Squires deleted it because he thought I was referring to the current president at the time (who was not popular at the time). People's posts were delected all the time, without any notice or explanations. It was the SS of wine talk -

At it's heights, it was amazing - but in that respect, really no livelier that this board today. The Wine Talk section was the same "biggest penis" contests as here.
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#24 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » July 1st, 2019, 11:11 am

Wow, Todder gonna be a millionaire with all these new subscribers!

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#25 Post by Ed Gonzales » July 1st, 2019, 11:14 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 10:18 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:00 am
Sheer Stupidity; what an asset and then it was allowed to fizzle and die.
"Allowed" seems too passive to me. Parker and Squires killed it. Bob got tired of people taking pot-shots at him on his own board and reacting in kind to his vehement hot takes. His choice, of course, but it was a shame for the wine community. It was a lively place for a long time.

Tip of the cap to Todd for filling the void with something even better
stahp it, this douche has a big head already for creating the world's largest and most active online wine community.
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#26 Post by Brent C l a y t o n » July 1st, 2019, 11:16 am

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#27 Post by Christian Becker » July 1st, 2019, 11:19 am

Dan Hammer wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:53 am
Anton D wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:06 am


Here's to the ultimate rise of the lazy, narrow agenda administrators who offer little in the way of content and substance!!! [cheers.gif]
I never had an opinion of him until I PM'd him to give him a heads up about an issue that a high visibility poster had. His response to me was sort of [beatoff.gif] More like a F/U a$$hole I don't care. I was sort of expecting sorry to hear the sad news.

So MS if you're reading, allow me this editorial comment > [soap.gif]
Karma. Had a similar experience with him. Pretty unreasonable dude. [swearing.gif]

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#28 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 1st, 2019, 11:19 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:11 am
Wow, Todder gonna be a millionaire with all these new subscribers!

;)
you bet, and I'm SO CLOSE already!

Not a single registration today, which means most of the legit posters have already moved over
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#29 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 1st, 2019, 11:20 am

Christian Becker wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:19 am
Dan Hammer wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:53 am
Anton D wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:06 am


Here's to the ultimate rise of the lazy, narrow agenda administrators who offer little in the way of content and substance!!! [cheers.gif]
I never had an opinion of him until I PM'd him to give him a heads up about an issue that a high visibility poster had. His response to me was sort of [beatoff.gif] More like a F/U a$$hole I don't care. I was sort of expecting sorry to hear the sad news.

So MS if you're reading, allow me this editorial comment > [soap.gif]
Karma. Had a similar experience with him. Pretty unreasonable dude. [swearing.gif]
He's welcome to register and post here!!! I won't boot him out like he did to me [cheers.gif]
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#30 Post by Gray G » July 1st, 2019, 11:39 am

hahaha
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#31 Post by Victor Hong » July 1st, 2019, 11:41 am

Gray G wrote:
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hahaha
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#32 Post by Brad Kane » July 1st, 2019, 11:43 am

I have to say, before it started to be hosted on the Parker site, it was a pretty awesome board. Much more communal then, with a lot of participation from itb people.
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#33 Post by brigcampbell » July 1st, 2019, 11:48 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 10:18 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 9:00 am
Sheer Stupidity; what an asset and then it was allowed to fizzle and die.
"Allowed" seems too passive to me. Parker and Squires killed it. Bob got tired of people taking pot-shots at him on his own board and reacting in kind to his vehement hot takes. His choice, of course, but it was a shame for the wine community. It was a lively place for a long time.

Tip of the cap to Todd for filling the void with something even better
The real shame was not vertically integrating Cellartracker, the message board, and the content of the publication. That would have been a trifecta.

But in the end, they were disinterested in public discussion and personal opinion.

Typical of an autocrat and predictable ending.

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#34 Post by Victor Hong » July 1st, 2019, 11:48 am

brigcampbell wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:48 am
.....

Typical of an autocrat and predictable ending.
Let's see what the next year brings. [cheers.gif]
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#35 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 1st, 2019, 11:51 am

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:01 am
Before Squires started banning everyone in sight (and there was a before), and thus before this board started, it was almost as wide ranging and informative. It also had the same share of contentious people who would hit rages too fast. But it had one other drawback this board did not. The presence of Parker meant, even before board bannings, that discussions fell into pro-Parker and anti-Parker noise much faster and much more completely. The kind of back and forth between Jeff Leve and Robert Alfert, for instance, would not have been able to maintain its good humor even if Jeff Leve and Alfert had.
I think this is correct. There was a terrible negative feedback loop. Many members thought it great fun to poke the bear, and the bear could not resist poking back. It went the other way too -- Parker taking pot shots at those he viewed as disloyal, and the rabble unable to ignore it.

Like global warming, these issues were hard to detect for many years. They started to pick up steam incrementally but increased in intensity geometrically. And Parker/Squires decided that the proper way to deal with dissent was to exile the dissenters, which led to more dissent and on and on.

I learned a lot over there and made many friends (a great many of them here now, thankfully). It was maybe too much to ask for a board connected to the publication to avoid the feedback that brought it down, but it certainly did not help that the publication's owner was simultaneously thin-skinned and prickly.

Brig, CT integration for ebob would have been fantastic for both
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#36 Post by brigcampbell » July 1st, 2019, 11:56 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:51 am

Brig, CT integration for ebob would have been fantastic for both
It was discussed between the parties but again, I think one side didn't really understand the new world order.

The deep integration, not just tasting notes, but content, education and the possibility for cross-selling/etc. Powerful stuff...

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#37 Post by Jeremy C » July 1st, 2019, 11:59 am

Thanks, guys. Brad touched on what I had previously gathered to be a possible advantage it had over this one; namely, that there was more ITB participation.
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#38 Post by Anton D » July 1st, 2019, 12:01 pm

jeffmazen wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 10:42 am
The HiFi forums all seem to be safe zones. I got shut down on pretty much all of them before I even got warmed up. I keep most of my opinions to myself over here but those guys are world class pussies.
I love how friendly our Hi Fi thread is, I really cherish it. Except for that Mollen guy. champagne.gif
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#39 Post by larry schaffer » July 1st, 2019, 12:02 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:51 am
Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:01 am
Before Squires started banning everyone in sight (and there was a before), and thus before this board started, it was almost as wide ranging and informative. It also had the same share of contentious people who would hit rages too fast. But it had one other drawback this board did not. The presence of Parker meant, even before board bannings, that discussions fell into pro-Parker and anti-Parker noise much faster and much more completely. The kind of back and forth between Jeff Leve and Robert Alfert, for instance, would not have been able to maintain its good humor even if Jeff Leve and Alfert had.
I think this is correct. There was a terrible negative feedback loop. Many members thought it great fun to poke the bear, and the bear could not resist poking back. It went the other way too -- Parker taking pot shots at those he viewed as disloyal, and the rabble unable to ignore it.

Like global warming, these issues were hard to detect for many years. They started to pick up steam incrementally but increased in intensity geometrically. And Parker/Squires decided that the proper way to deal with dissent was to exile the dissenters, which led to more dissent and on and on.

I learned a lot over there and made many friends (a great many of them here now, thankfully). It was maybe too much to ask for a board connected to the publication to avoid the feedback that brought it down, but it certainly did not help that the publication's owner was simultaneously thin-skinned and prickly.

Brig, CT integration for ebob would have been fantastic for both
Great overview, my friend . . .

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#41 Post by Blake Brown » July 1st, 2019, 12:16 pm

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#42 Post by Todd F r e n c h » July 1st, 2019, 12:17 pm

Jeremy C wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:59 am
Thanks, guys. Brad touched on what I had previously gathered to be a possible advantage it had over this one; namely, that there was more ITB participation.
Quite a bit less, actually
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#43 Post by Steve Saxon » July 1st, 2019, 12:18 pm

I wish I could say that it's a shame that the board is closing but I just can't, Parker with his ego and Squires being an *sshole all time made people flock here and that's that. Guess they went the way of the shopping malls, obsolete.

Funny, my first thought when I read this headline was what would Bob Wood think it.
Saxon and others have willfully trashed this thread and turned it into nonsense without substance.....Mark Squires

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#44 Post by Brad Kane » July 1st, 2019, 12:18 pm

Jeremy C wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:59 am
Thanks, guys. Brad touched on what I had previously gathered to be a possible advantage it had over this one; namely, that there was more ITB participation.
You have to weigh different things. There's a lot more people with a greater variety of wines and subjects being discussed here than there were in the early days of the Squire's board.
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#45 Post by Howard Cooper » July 1st, 2019, 12:18 pm

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
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The kind of back and forth between Jeff Leve and Robert Alfert,
Do I have to choose between them???? [scratch.gif] [wow.gif]
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#46 Post by jeffmazen » July 1st, 2019, 12:24 pm

Anton D wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 12:01 pm
jeffmazen wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 10:42 am
The HiFi forums all seem to be safe zones. I got shut down on pretty much all of them before I even got warmed up. I keep most of my opinions to myself over here but those guys are world class pussies.
I love how friendly our Hi Fi thread is, I really cherish it. Except for that Mollen guy. champagne.gif

It's an East Coast thing.
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#47 Post by Paul Miller » July 1st, 2019, 12:38 pm

I enjoyed it back in the day. As someone else noted, a lot of ITB posters. Learned a lot, and suddenly people started disappearing. Then they started to charge for it, and I left.

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#48 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 1st, 2019, 12:41 pm

Steve Saxon wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 12:18 pm

Funny, my first thought when I read this headline was what would Bob Wood think it.
This was his, wasn't it? Or was it Tex's

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#49 Post by Jay Miller » July 1st, 2019, 12:43 pm

Jeremy C wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 11:59 am
Thanks, guys. Brad touched on what I had previously gathered to be a possible advantage it had over this one; namely, that there was more ITB participation.
Towards the end it had almost none as they had been driven off.
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#50 Post by Steve Saxon » July 1st, 2019, 12:46 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 12:41 pm
Steve Saxon wrote:
July 1st, 2019, 12:18 pm

Funny, my first thought when I read this headline was what would Bob Wood think it.
This was his, wasn't it? Or was it Tex's

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That was Bob's, so was this.
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Saxon and others have willfully trashed this thread and turned it into nonsense without substance.....Mark Squires

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