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Eisele Vineyard allocation letter

#1 Post by Glenn P » June 17th, 2019, 3:49 pm

Has anyone read the letter from Eisele Vineyard regarding the 2016 vintage? Never have I ever read such
overstated eloquent horse manure. Someone give them a clue for crissakes. They are only growing grapes. Oh, that’s right, they’re charging over $400 per bottle!

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#2 Post by Bdklein » June 17th, 2019, 4:14 pm

Can you post it?? Take a pic and show it ?
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#3 Post by Chris Atkins » June 17th, 2019, 10:45 pm

"Overstated eloquent horse manure" This is going to be entertaining, Please do post the letter.

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#4 Post by Steve Crawford » June 18th, 2019, 5:27 am

please post, i love reading this type of BS marketing.

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#5 Post by Gabe Berk » June 18th, 2019, 11:28 am

$100 SB better have some juicy persuasion behind it...

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#6 Post by Glenn P » June 18th, 2019, 4:15 pm

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This is the letter!

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#7 Post by Matthew King » June 18th, 2019, 5:41 pm

Purple prose, yes. But I’ve seen worse ...
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#8 Post by Wes Barton » June 18th, 2019, 6:27 pm

Looks pretty standard. Since I've been there, seen and tasted what they've done under Chateau Latour ownership, I have some idea what they're talking about. For one, they're referring to the fact that they've cut back what goes into the top wine. They ceased using purchased grapes for the Altagracia, so production is down and quality up just from that. The Eisele Cab is from the block producing the most structured, longest lived wines. No new oak in those. The era of blueberry milkshakes is gone. They're looking back at what made the great Napa Cabs through the '70s, and what they know making First Growth Bordeaux. This is the real deal, not some gimmicky cult garbage.
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#9 Post by Alan Eden » June 18th, 2019, 7:12 pm

Seems fairly normal.

Whats price point ? Wait list ?
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#10 Post by PaulMills » June 18th, 2019, 7:16 pm

Since it is a real name board and presumably they sent the letter to you, why black out the name?

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#11 Post by Mel Knox » June 18th, 2019, 9:08 pm

Wes,

What did they do with all the barrels my friends at Taransaud sold them??
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#12 Post by GregP » June 19th, 2019, 12:35 am

Mel Knox wrote:
June 18th, 2019, 9:08 pm
Wes,

What did they do with all the barrels my friends at Taransaud sold them??
Splinter wood for marshmellows roast, 4th of July.
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#13 Post by Wes Barton » June 19th, 2019, 2:51 am

Mel Knox wrote:
June 18th, 2019, 9:08 pm
Wes,

What did they do with all the barrels my friends at Taransaud sold them??
You can find the answer re-reading my post.
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#14 Post by Tom Mann » June 19th, 2019, 5:08 am

More interesting to me is that they will be offering Clos de Tart 2017 direct
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#15 Post by AlexO » June 19th, 2019, 6:26 am

Bought some at costco for $325/bottle. I'll just be patient. As for the letter, I agree, I've seen worse. Jason's missives from Hundred Acre are always a hoot. Also laughable is anyone that "truly humbled and honored to offer their wine". [snort.gif]
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#16 Post by Jason T » June 19th, 2019, 8:27 am

AlexO wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 6:26 am
Bought some at costco for $325/bottle. I'll just be patient. As for the letter, I agree, I've seen worse. Jason's missives from Hundred Acre are always a hoot. Also laughable is anyone that "truly humbled and honored to offer their wine". [snort.gif]
Well I’d be “truly honoured” if someone were willing to pay $325 a bottle for my wine. Alas, I got no wine to sell.
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#17 Post by Mel Knox » June 19th, 2019, 8:29 am

Wes,
My eyes are bad...you ll have to tell me
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#18 Post by Alan Eden » June 19th, 2019, 8:30 am

Tom Mann wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 5:08 am
More interesting to me is that they will be offering Clos de Tart 2017 direct
This will be a way to increase the sell price from the local French price
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#19 Post by Mel Knox » June 19th, 2019, 8:32 am

Wes,
My eyes are bad...you ll have to tell me. What is really hard is reading their letter on my computer so I may be missing something.

If they are going to sell Clos de Tart through their mailing list, why not Domaine d Eugenie and Ch Grillet??
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#20 Post by rfelthoven » June 19th, 2019, 10:32 am

Flowery for sure, but for the wine trade it's not that far out of the norm.
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#21 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » June 19th, 2019, 11:21 am

AlexO wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 6:26 am
Bought some at costco for $325/bottle. I'll just be patient. As for the letter, I agree, I've seen worse. Jason's missives from Hundred Acre are always a hoot. Also laughable is anyone that "truly humbled and honored to offer their wine". [snort.gif]
I was about to ask how this compares to Scarecrow, given it’s a $400 wine. And then I saw this post. The wine may be every bit as good, but certainly not the same cachet if it’s being sold at wholesale clubs.

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#22 Post by Len Stevens » June 19th, 2019, 12:05 pm

For me unfortunately, I will probably drop this yearly purchase. I certainly adore the wine and have been drinking for years, but at least for now, I can back fill older vintages at half the cost, I'll probably lean in that direction. Other than Spottswoode, it has long been my favorite Cali Cab, but I wish them well in the future.

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#23 Post by Wes Barton » June 19th, 2019, 1:10 pm

Mel Knox wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 8:29 am
Wes,
My eyes are bad...you ll have to tell me
"The Eisele Cab is from the block producing the most structured, longest lived wines. No new oak in those."

I didn't say any of their other wines don't have new oak. Can't speak to any of them. We tasted the '12-'15, where the '12 was a great blueberry milkshake and the other three were adult beverages. Huge contrast.
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#24 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » June 19th, 2019, 4:27 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 11:21 am
AlexO wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 6:26 am
Bought some at costco for $325/bottle. I'll just be patient. As for the letter, I agree, I've seen worse. Jason's missives from Hundred Acre are always a hoot. Also laughable is anyone that "truly humbled and honored to offer their wine". [snort.gif]
I was about to ask how this compares to Scarecrow, given it’s a $400 wine. And then I saw this post. The wine may be every bit as good, but certainly not the same cachet if it’s being sold at wholesale clubs.
I imagine it was a very one off occurrence here in the DFW market when those hit the bins.
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#25 Post by Mel Knox » June 20th, 2019, 10:26 am

Wes,

Are they making just two wines, Altagracia and Eisele?? Or will there be various bottlings of the Eisele??
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#26 Post by Wes Barton » June 20th, 2019, 11:53 am

Mel Knox wrote:
June 20th, 2019, 10:26 am
Wes,

Are they making just two wines, Altagracia and Eisele?? Or will there be various bottlings of the Eisele??
Those two Cabs, plus Syrah, SB, don't recall if there's anything else. All estate fruit.

What we saw was a snapshot in time. It was clear as day what they moved away from. I wouldn't be surprised or bothered if they found some new oak that worked well. They're a work in progress - attentive and experimental. They'd customized training regimes to the challenges of different blocks. (Saw some interesting stuff that seems to have been forgotten in the VSP era, contrary to what I learned from Davis and vineyard managers, but standard practice to people getting a healthy yield off of 150 year old vines.)
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#27 Post by Scott Jameson » June 20th, 2019, 12:01 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 11:21 am
AlexO wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 6:26 am
Bought some at costco for $325/bottle. I'll just be patient. As for the letter, I agree, I've seen worse. Jason's missives from Hundred Acre are always a hoot. Also laughable is anyone that "truly humbled and honored to offer their wine". [snort.gif]
I was about to ask how this compares to Scarecrow, given it’s a $400 wine. And then I saw this post. The wine may be every bit as good, but certainly not the same cachet if it’s being sold at wholesale clubs.
According to posts on the Costco thread, Screaming Eagle has shown up (very infrequently) in various Costco stores, and that hasn't seemed to diminish its status at all.

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#28 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » June 20th, 2019, 12:09 pm

Scott Jameson wrote:
June 20th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 11:21 am
AlexO wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 6:26 am
Bought some at costco for $325/bottle. I'll just be patient. As for the letter, I agree, I've seen worse. Jason's missives from Hundred Acre are always a hoot. Also laughable is anyone that "truly humbled and honored to offer their wine". [snort.gif]
I was about to ask how this compares to Scarecrow, given it’s a $400 wine. And then I saw this post. The wine may be every bit as good, but certainly not the same cachet if it’s being sold at wholesale clubs.
According to posts on the Costco thread, Screaming Eagle has shown up (very infrequently) in various Costco stores, and that hasn't seemed to diminish its status at all.
Which is exactly why I refuse to buy SE. That, and no room to land my Gulfstream.

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#29 Post by EddieBest » June 20th, 2019, 12:47 pm

I just got my allocation letter yesterday and there was no mention of being offered Clos du Tart. I guess I haven't been on the list long enough.

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#30 Post by H Wallace Jr » June 24th, 2019, 4:31 pm

I haven't tasted the Eisele, but the '16s I have tasted have been quite spectacular.

If they were only growing grapes, would you be on the list?
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#31 Post by Bruce Rudman » June 24th, 2019, 5:59 pm

What is strange is the claim of one block being the sole source. If my math is correct, it takes at least 36 tons of grapes to make 1827 cases. If properly pruned, that is more than ten acres. One hell of a block.
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#32 Post by Wes Barton » June 24th, 2019, 6:33 pm

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What is strange is the claim of one block being the sole source. If my math is correct, it takes at least 36 tons of grapes to make 1827 cases. If properly pruned, that is more than ten acres. One hell of a block.
I'm thinking you're basing that on my wording, which was to distinguish between two subdivisions of a vineyard, rather than their wording, which the newsletter refers to "the parcels located on the Simmons Creek alluvial fan."
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#33 Post by Bruce Rudman » June 24th, 2019, 6:53 pm

Wes Barton wrote:
June 24th, 2019, 6:33 pm
Bruce Rudman wrote:
June 24th, 2019, 5:59 pm
What is strange is the claim of one block being the sole source. If my math is correct, it takes at least 36 tons of grapes to make 1827 cases. If properly pruned, that is more than ten acres. One hell of a block.
I'm thinking you're basing that on my wording, which was to distinguish between two subdivisions of a vineyard, rather than their wording, which the newsletter refers to "the parcels located on the Simmons Creek alluvial fan."
Ok, so they are not claiming all of the grapes to have been from one block - but still, the "heart" of the vineyard is rarely more than ten acres in size!

Either way, if they can get $400/btl on 1,827 cases, they are doing just fine... good for them.
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#34 Post by Kyle Schlachter » June 24th, 2019, 7:01 pm

Scott Jameson wrote:
June 20th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 11:21 am
AlexO wrote:
June 19th, 2019, 6:26 am
Bought some at costco for $325/bottle. I'll just be patient. As for the letter, I agree, I've seen worse. Jason's missives from Hundred Acre are always a hoot. Also laughable is anyone that "truly humbled and honored to offer their wine". [snort.gif]
I was about to ask how this compares to Scarecrow, given it’s a $400 wine. And then I saw this post. The wine may be every bit as good, but certainly not the same cachet if it’s being sold at wholesale clubs.
According to posts on the Costco thread, Screaming Eagle has shown up (very infrequently) in various Costco stores, and that hasn't seemed to diminish its status at all.
All the Bordeaux First Growths are at my local Costco... [oops.gif]
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