So who here bought the Gonon Vieilles Vignes?

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So who here bought the Gonon Vieilles Vignes?

#1 Post by Markus S » June 10th, 2019, 6:06 pm

KL had this on auction recently and surprised to see only 1 person bid on it. Thought there would have been more interest in 'chasing a unicorn'?? Perhaps people getting their fill of Northern Rhone?
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#2 Post by Angelo Manioudakis » June 10th, 2019, 7:52 pm

What did it sell for?

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#3 Post by Mikko R » June 10th, 2019, 9:21 pm

I was able to get one bottle from my dealer.
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#4 Post by Markus S » June 11th, 2019, 5:20 am

Angelo Manioudakis wrote:
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What did it sell for?
Looks like $750. Based on the scarcity factor (what? 1 barrel made?) I thought it would have gone higher.
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#5 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 11th, 2019, 7:58 am

Insane price.

Make me chuckle that I have popped a few of these over the last two years. Or maybe the real word is choke, not chuckle, lol.

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#6 Post by Jonathan Loesberg » June 11th, 2019, 8:46 am

So it's risen almost to the price of Trollat, even though they aren't retired. Having never had either Trollat or Gonon VV, do people who have had both think that, given they have Trollat's vineyards, they are really making the same wine?

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#7 Post by c fu » June 11th, 2019, 11:54 am

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 8:46 am
So it's risen almost to the price of Trollat, even though they aren't retired. Having never had either Trollat or Gonon VV, do people who have had both think that, given they have Trollat's vineyards, they are really making the same wine?
Not that similar to me. 05 trollat is one of the greatest st josephs I’ve tasted. 06/07 gonon VV are very good but wasn’t at the level of the trollat.

Vintage matters too i guess. But can’t do a side by side of vintages :(
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#8 Post by Markus S » June 11th, 2019, 11:58 am

c fu wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 11:54 am
Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 8:46 am
So it's risen almost to the price of Trollat, even though they aren't retired. Having never had either Trollat or Gonon VV, do people who have had both think that, given they have Trollat's vineyards, they are really making the same wine?
Not that similar to me. 05 trollat is one of the greatest st josephs I’ve tasted. 06/07 gonon VV are very good but wasn’t at the level of the trollat.

Vintage matters too i guess. But can’t do a side by side of vintages :(
Is that 'cause 05 was the final Trollat? Because I thought he retired way before then.
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#9 Post by c fu » June 11th, 2019, 12:00 pm

Markus S wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 11:58 am
c fu wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 11:54 am
Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 8:46 am
So it's risen almost to the price of Trollat, even though they aren't retired. Having never had either Trollat or Gonon VV, do people who have had both think that, given they have Trollat's vineyards, they are really making the same wine?
Not that similar to me. 05 trollat is one of the greatest st josephs I’ve tasted. 06/07 gonon VV are very good but wasn’t at the level of the trollat.

Vintage matters too i guess. But can’t do a side by side of vintages :(
Is that 'cause 05 was the final Trollat? Because I thought he retired way before then.
05 last vintage then the vines went to Gonon (hence 06 being the first VV)
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#10 Post by Alan Rath » June 11th, 2019, 12:48 pm

c fu wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 11:54 am
Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 8:46 am
So it's risen almost to the price of Trollat, even though they aren't retired. Having never had either Trollat or Gonon VV, do people who have had both think that, given they have Trollat's vineyards, they are really making the same wine?
Not that similar to me. 05 trollat is one of the greatest st josephs I’ve tasted. 06/07 gonon VV are very good but wasn’t at the level of the trollat.

Vintage matters too i guess. But can’t do a side by side of vintages :(
05 a tremendous vintage, 06 and 07 not so much. Still, both have been fabulous wines the few chances I've had with them.
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#11 Post by Ramon C » June 11th, 2019, 12:49 pm

The price differential between Gonon's VV and his normale wines is more similar with differentials between Bordeaux First Growths and their respective 2nd wines, with the Bordeaux differential being more warranted given the wide disparity in wine performances.

In the case of Gonon and based on the 06/07 VV versus normale that I had, the price differences at 5x-to-6x (?) is far wider than the differential in performances between the cuvees would suggest.
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#12 Post by Robert M yers » June 11th, 2019, 4:38 pm

Yeah but what’s the difference at cellar door or at Say George’s shop?

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#13 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 11th, 2019, 4:42 pm

Ramon C wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 12:49 pm
The price differential between Gonon's VV and his normale wines is more similar with differentials between Bordeaux First Growths and their respective 2nd wines, with the Bordeaux differential being more warranted given the wide disparity in wine performances.

In the case of Gonon and based on the 06/07 VV versus normale that I had, the price differences at 5x-to-6x (?) is far wider than the differential in performances between the cuvees would suggest.
I thought there was a major step up in quality - granted, both already high - but I do concur that not worth a 5-6x multiplier. The auction price of $750 is insane.

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#14 Post by Pat Martin » June 11th, 2019, 5:38 pm

If there was only 1 bid, that was probably K&L ‘ghost’ bidding. So unclear that if it actually was sold (for crazy money).
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#15 Post by Mikko R » June 12th, 2019, 12:23 am

c fu wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 11:54 am
05 trollat is one of the greatest st josephs I’ve tasted. 06/07 gonon VV are very good but wasn’t at the level of the trollat.
That is quite appraisal. What I have heard on my trips to Northern Rhone is during his last years monsieur Trollat wasn't really motivated and didn't make that great wines. According to my sources the quality of his last few vintages were below average. Not saying they were bad or awful, just not his best performance.
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#16 Post by Nick Gangas » June 12th, 2019, 8:18 pm

Was there a recent release of the VV ?

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#17 Post by c fu » June 12th, 2019, 9:05 pm

Nick Gangas wrote:
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Was there a recent release of the VV ?
2010 - chambers offered it (from what i heard). But Kermit hasn't brought it in yet.
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#18 Post by C Sorensen » June 12th, 2019, 9:28 pm

c fu wrote:
June 12th, 2019, 9:05 pm
Nick Gangas wrote:
June 12th, 2019, 8:18 pm
Was there a recent release of the VV ?
2010 - chambers offered it (from what i heard). But Kermit hasn't brought it in yet.
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#19 Post by Keith Levenberg » June 13th, 2019, 8:03 am

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 8:46 am
So it's risen almost to the price of Trollat, even though they aren't retired. Having never had either Trollat or Gonon VV, do people who have had both think that, given they have Trollat's vineyards, they are really making the same wine?
I've never had a Trollat but I've had all the Gonon VVs and it's as good as Northern Rhone gets. It reminds me of Verset. That said, if anyone's paying $750 a bottle, you can have all of mine.

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#20 Post by Nick Gangas » June 13th, 2019, 10:28 am

c fu wrote:
June 12th, 2019, 9:05 pm
Nick Gangas wrote:
June 12th, 2019, 8:18 pm
Was there a recent release of the VV ?
2010 - chambers offered it (from what i heard). But Kermit hasn't brought it in yet.
Good to know. How much did Chambers ask ?

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#21 Post by c fu » June 13th, 2019, 11:00 am

Mikko R wrote:
June 12th, 2019, 12:23 am
c fu wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 11:54 am
05 trollat is one of the greatest st josephs I’ve tasted. 06/07 gonon VV are very good but wasn’t at the level of the trollat.
That is quite appraisal. What I have heard on my trips to Northern Rhone is during his last years monsieur Trollat wasn't really motivated and didn't make that great wines. According to my sources the quality of his last few vintages were below average. Not saying they were bad or awful, just not his best performance.
dunno what to say, i've had the chance to try the 05 trollat a couple times now and it's been mind blowing. Adrian So's CT note on his bottle shows he was also very impressed.

If anyone wants to do a side by side, i'm happy to open a 05 trollat! ya'll bring the gonon vvs!
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