Announcing the Launch of To Kalon Vineyard Company

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#51 Post by Bill James » September 19th, 2019, 5:15 pm

Did they actually cut and paste from another website?

I compared the 2 shipping pages. they are the same with the exception of the CSS (font, color, formatting, etc.).

Good lord...

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#52 Post by Randy Bowman » September 19th, 2019, 7:44 pm

Unless it becomes classified as a Board Darling, I'm not buying.
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#53 Post by Glen Gold » September 19th, 2019, 7:49 pm

I genuinely don't know the answer to this - do other high-end Napa cabs blend with pinot?
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#54 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » September 19th, 2019, 7:54 pm

The website now says “98% Cabernet Sauvignon, 1.5% Cabernet Franc, .5% Mixed Varietals”. Maybe they copied the blend from a Prisoner wine and forgot to update that too...?

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#55 Post by Demian Saenz » September 20th, 2019, 3:37 am

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
September 19th, 2019, 7:54 pm
The website now says “98% Cabernet Sauvignon, 1.5% Cabernet Franc, .5% Mixed Varietals”. Maybe they copied the blend from a Prisoner wine and forgot to update that too...?
That blend makes more sense.

I have a feeling Wine Spectator is going to have a hard on for this one.

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#56 Post by Frank Z » September 20th, 2019, 10:50 am

Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
September 19th, 2019, 7:54 pm
The website now says “98% Cabernet Sauvignon, 1.5% Cabernet Franc, .5% Mixed Varietals”. Maybe they copied the blend from a Prisoner wine and forgot to update that too...?
That makes a lot more sense. But still, it just shows how unprepared the website it. They shouldn't have updated without getting all these small things down.
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#57 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » September 20th, 2019, 11:19 am

Frank Z wrote:
September 20th, 2019, 10:50 am
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote:
September 19th, 2019, 7:54 pm
The website now says “98% Cabernet Sauvignon, 1.5% Cabernet Franc, .5% Mixed Varietals”. Maybe they copied the blend from a Prisoner wine and forgot to update that too...?
That makes a lot more sense. But still, it just shows how unprepared the website it. They shouldn't have updated without getting all these small things down.
No doubt. It’s embarrassing. Probably lost a lot of potential customers who saw that blend and won’t be back.

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#58 Post by Demian Saenz » September 25th, 2019, 11:18 am

Wine Spectator is loving it 😂

From today’s WS Insider 97 points :
(A large wine, with a dense, layered core of black currant, blackberry and fig fruit paste flavors, steeped with sagebrush, tar, loam and tobacco accents. A bolt of warm cast iron runs through the finish, providing structure and support that should allow this to cruise for two decades in the cellar. A terrific combination of intense, modern, clearly defined fruit, with an old-school grounding in terroir. Best from 2025 through 2045. From California.—

J.M. Senior editor James Molesworth says: “Constellation Brands owns the parcels in the famed To Kalon Vineyard formerly owned by Robert Mondavi Winery, home to some of Napa Valley’s most prized Cabernet Sauvignon vines. Constellation tasked winemaker Andy Erickson of Favia (who also consults at Mayacamas, Dalla Valle and others) with making a small selection of the vineyard’s best fruit for this small-production bottling. This is an impressive debut release for this new project, which takes after the 19thcentury name, To Kalon Wine Co.”)

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#59 Post by Demian Saenz » November 12th, 2019, 11:29 am

The wine is available for order. $200/bottle.

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#60 Post by Bdklein » November 14th, 2019, 2:53 pm

Anybody buying?
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#61 Post by Joe G a l e w s k i » November 14th, 2019, 3:12 pm

Demian Saenz wrote:
September 18th, 2019, 4:40 pm
The website is up and running. It’s not taking orders but you can create an account, and it lists a 3 pack at $600.

The wine is 80% Cab., 10% Zin., and 10% Pinot, I can’t remember seeing that combination before.
Just to be clear, the legal side of this is that Constellation now owns "To Kalon" which they acquired from Robert Mondavi, and they can apply that term to anything, from anywhere. Zin, pinot, origin, doesn't matter. Do I have that right?

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#62 Post by Demian Saenz » November 14th, 2019, 4:17 pm

Joe G a l e w s k i wrote:
November 14th, 2019, 3:12 pm
Demian Saenz wrote:
September 18th, 2019, 4:40 pm
The website is up and running. It’s not taking orders but you can create an account, and it lists a 3 pack at $600.

The wine is 80% Cab., 10% Zin., and 10% Pinot, I can’t remember seeing that combination before.
Just to be clear, the legal side of this is that Constellation now owns "To Kalon" which they acquired from Robert Mondavi, and they can apply that term to anything, from anywhere. Zin, pinot, origin, doesn't matter. Do I have that right?
I believe so but not 100% sure on applying “To Kalon” to anything.

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#63 Post by Scott Brunson » November 14th, 2019, 4:36 pm

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#64 Post by Hank Victor » November 20th, 2019, 3:04 pm

The Vineyard House Asks Court for an Injunction to Prevent Constellation Brands from Misleading Consumers with To Kalon Labeled Wines

https://wineindustryadvisor.com/2019/11 ... 9-64878461
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#65 Post by J. Rock » November 20th, 2019, 4:49 pm

Hank Victor wrote:
November 20th, 2019, 3:04 pm
The Vineyard House Asks Court for an Injunction to Prevent Constellation Brands from Misleading Consumers with To Kalon Labeled Wines

https://wineindustryadvisor.com/2019/11 ... 9-64878461
I was waiting for someone to bring this suit. I think TVH will prevail.
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#66 Post by Joe G a l e w s k i » November 20th, 2019, 5:20 pm

So TVH is going back to the original argument that was settled out of court without a decision.

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#67 Post by BenjaminL » January 17th, 2020, 8:12 am

Robert M yers wrote:
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Is anyone following the latest lawsuit by Jeremy Nickel? They amended and refiled last week.
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#68 Post by Roy Piper » January 17th, 2020, 6:16 pm

Frank Z wrote:
September 19th, 2019, 1:35 pm
Went to visit their site... clicked on Shipping Information (https://www.tokalonvineyardcompany.com/ ... nformation) and was led to this:

"The Prisoner Wine Company is licensed to ship wine to the following states: AZ, CA, CO, FL, GA, HI, IA, ID, IL, KS, MA, MD, MI, MO, MT, NC, NE, NH, NM, NY, NV, OR, PA, SC, TN, TX, VA, VT, WA, WI, and WY."

Are the "labels" now merging?
In the lawsuit by Constellation against Nickel, they claim they reserve the right to call ANY wine made from ANY fruit ANYWHERE in the WORLD, To-Kalon, if they choose. Perhaps we have a $9.99 Central Coast Chardonnay in our future.
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#69 Post by Bdklein » April 29th, 2020, 5:44 am

Anybody buy this ?? I got an allocation email for 2016 vintage -but thought it was released in the fall??
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#70 Post by Bdklein » September 15th, 2020, 6:10 pm

Anybody buy?
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#71 Post by Scott Brunson » September 15th, 2020, 6:24 pm

Bdklein wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 6:10 pm
Anybody buy?
Not even if I was crawling through the desert.
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#72 Post by Joe B » September 15th, 2020, 6:35 pm

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#73 Post by Scott Watkins » September 15th, 2020, 7:08 pm

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#74 Post by Vince T » September 15th, 2020, 8:28 pm

Roy Piper wrote:
January 17th, 2020, 6:16 pm
In the lawsuit by Constellation against Nickel, they claim they reserve the right to call ANY wine made from ANY fruit ANYWHERE in the WORLD, To-Kalon, if they choose. Perhaps we have a $9.99 Central Coast Chardonnay in our future.
I mentioned in the MacDonald thread, but if anyone is interested in the history of To-Kalon and what Constellation is trying to do here with their “brand”, Bedrock’s podcast interview with Graeme MacDonald is essential listening. It’s very worth it just to hear Graeme’s story of how Constellation’s fancy expensive lawyers try to buy him off and his response. The guy has my respect x1000.

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