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#151 Post by Yao C » September 2nd, 2019, 9:47 pm

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Yaacov just doesn't want to drink the water you've led him to, nor will he elaborate why. Though he's happy to point out that the site is on archive.org and whine about personal "attacks" from the guy who he's peppering with questions.

Thank you Robert for taking the time to post in depth about the situation.
Agreed; I am also thankful and appreciate the time you’ve spent on this thread
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#152 Post by Markus S » September 3rd, 2019, 4:41 am

Yao C wrote:
September 1st, 2019, 10:46 am
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September 1st, 2019, 8:35 am
there are significant discrepancies between panzer's explanations here and what i've heard from those at polaner - and others
Could you describe the discrepancies please?
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#153 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 3rd, 2019, 4:43 am

Yaacov appears to have an agenda. What that agenda may be is anybody's guess.
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#154 Post by ybarselah » September 3rd, 2019, 1:53 pm

Markus S wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 4:41 am
Yao C wrote:
September 1st, 2019, 10:46 am
ybarselah wrote:
September 1st, 2019, 8:35 am
there are significant discrepancies between panzer's explanations here and what i've heard from those at polaner - and others
Could you describe the discrepancies please?
<crickets>...

Still waiting....
Next, i've already been in touch with Polaner's handler of Benetiere, and plan on bringing what I have up to their place to open bottles, and compare/taste for ourselves. She returns from travels Sept 6th.
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#155 Post by DanielP » September 3rd, 2019, 3:03 pm

ybarselah wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 1:53 pm
Markus S wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 4:41 am
Yao C wrote:
September 1st, 2019, 10:46 am

Could you describe the discrepancies please?
<crickets>...

Still waiting....
Next, i've already been in touch with Polaner's handler of Benetiere, and plan on bringing what I have up to their place to open bottles, and compare/taste for ourselves. She returns from travels Sept 6th.
This makes no sense. Either you heard discrepancies or you didn't. It has nothing to do with your prior post regarding tasting bottles after September 6
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#156 Post by ybarselah » September 3rd, 2019, 4:22 pm

DanielP wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 3:03 pm
ybarselah wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 1:53 pm
Markus S wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 4:41 am


<crickets>...

Still waiting....
Next, i've already been in touch with Polaner's handler of Benetiere, and plan on bringing what I have up to their place to open bottles, and compare/taste for ourselves. She returns from travels Sept 6th.
This makes no sense. Either you heard discrepancies or you didn't. It has nothing to do with your prior post regarding tasting bottles after September 6
panzer wrote that, not me. sorry for any confusion.
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#157 Post by c fu » September 4th, 2019, 3:30 pm

ybarselah wrote:
September 1st, 2019, 8:35 am
good updates. few thoughts:

1. fu's note(s) don't sound super promising, not great, not bad, perhaps not inherently flawed...just ... what? though overnighting a wine that's meant to be enjoyed over multiple days may be less than ideal to make a final determination. i wasn't aware that the other wines are vdf as well.

I was just giving a play by play. If I was just writing a simple note, I would just write "The wine was really nice after 16 hours of air" and just detail the tasting notes from the morning tasting. We didn't have any bricking issues that your bottles had. Stayed a deep purple the next day. The guy I had the wine with the next morning texted me last night asking if I could spare a few bottles for him. Ironically, he was messaging earlier last week with a retailer/somm that tasted a bottle and was told to keep away at all cost.

Outside of the Polaner bottles I haven't seen complaints whether it be stateside or France. At least based on the conversations I've had on instagram (it's certainly a hot topic). A french wine drinker left me a msg on IG this week stating that 2015 Dolium might be the best young syrah they've had. Enough people have tasted the wine in bottle in France that I feel the wines are sound there. The west coast importer still hasn't landed yet, so I'll give those a shot too when they get to us.

In the next couple of weeks I'll be trying the 2013 and 2014 Dolium (VDF). Will try the 2015 "Condrieu" VDF tonight. Will update notes

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#158 Post by ybarselah » September 4th, 2019, 6:44 pm

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Outside of the Polaner bottles I haven't seen complaints whether it be stateside or France.
is your theory that the affected bottles are polaner's only and the rest are proper?
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#159 Post by c fu » September 4th, 2019, 7:04 pm

ybarselah wrote:
September 4th, 2019, 6:44 pm
c fu wrote:
September 4th, 2019, 3:30 pm


Outside of the Polaner bottles I haven't seen complaints whether it be stateside or France.
is your theory that the affected bottles are polaner's only and the rest are proper?
what's your theory?
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#160 Post by ybarselah » September 4th, 2019, 7:23 pm

Still in the r & d phase. Others can speculate.
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#161 Post by Travis Fantz » September 4th, 2019, 9:48 pm

Is the west coast importer The Source Imports? I know they bring it in or is it another lot of the same importer?
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#162 Post by c fu » September 5th, 2019, 6:58 am

Travis Fantz wrote:
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Is the west coast importer The Source Imports? I know they bring it in or is it another lot of the same importer?
Yah Source.
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#163 Post by ybarselah » September 5th, 2019, 6:59 am

c fu wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 6:58 am
Travis Fantz wrote:
September 4th, 2019, 9:48 pm
Is the west coast importer The Source Imports? I know they bring it in or is it another lot of the same importer?
Yah Source.
are they in yet? curious if same lot number or whatever else?
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#164 Post by c fu » September 5th, 2019, 7:01 am

ybarselah wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 6:59 am
c fu wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 6:58 am
Travis Fantz wrote:
September 4th, 2019, 9:48 pm
Is the west coast importer The Source Imports? I know they bring it in or is it another lot of the same importer?
Yah Source.
are they in yet? curious if same lot number or whatever else?
Supposedly still floating on a boat as of 2 weeks ago.
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#165 Post by DanielP » September 5th, 2019, 8:19 am

ybarselah wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 4:22 pm
DanielP wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 3:03 pm
ybarselah wrote:
September 3rd, 2019, 1:53 pm


This makes no sense. Either you heard discrepancies or you didn't. It has nothing to do with your prior post regarding tasting bottles after September 6
panzer wrote that, not me. sorry for any confusion.
Then I have to ask, given that you refer to "what i've heard from those at polaner - and others", what did you hear from those at polaner and others?
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#166 Post by ybarselah » September 5th, 2019, 9:01 am

DanielP wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 8:19 am


Then I have to ask, given that you refer to "what i've heard from those at polaner - and others", what did you hear from those at polaner and others?
given the fact that the explanations keep being updated/changing, combined with the fact that i haven't been able to personally verify some of these facts, i'm not comfortable posting that info.
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#167 Post by Markus S » September 5th, 2019, 10:07 am

ybarselah wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 9:01 am
DanielP wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 8:19 am


Then I have to ask, given that you refer to "what i've heard from those at polaner - and others", what did you hear from those at polaner and others?
given the fact that the explanations keep being updated/changing, combined with the fact that i haven't been able to personally verify some of these facts, i'm not comfortable posting that info.
Still like to hear it, given the accusation you've made.
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#168 Post by JG Salazar » September 5th, 2019, 10:38 am

The explanation I was given from Team Polaner is that they learned of sub-optimal storage conditions at the winery during a recent visit. The heat, combined with the lengthy AOC/VDF bureaucratic mess, had a negative effect on the wine.

In my nearly 20 years of buying from Polaner, this is a first. For those that don't know, Polaner is one of the major fine wine importer/distributors here in NY, and I find it highly unlikely that they bungled the shipment, given the thousands of cases we've received in pristine condition over the years.
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#169 Post by ybarselah » September 5th, 2019, 11:01 am

Markus S wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 10:07 am
ybarselah wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 9:01 am
DanielP wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 8:19 am


Then I have to ask, given that you refer to "what i've heard from those at polaner - and others", what did you hear from those at polaner and others?
given the fact that the explanations keep being updated/changing, combined with the fact that i haven't been able to personally verify some of these facts, i'm not comfortable posting that info.
Still like to hear it, given the accusation you've made.
well, yes. but my need to remain responsible overrides your desire for piecemeal information. i don't believe i've made any accusations, however. i've asked a lot of questions about a clearly odd situation which seems to have rustled some jimmies. but no accusations.
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#170 Post by c fu » September 5th, 2019, 11:04 am

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September 5th, 2019, 10:38 am
The explanation I was given from Team Polaner is that they learned of sub-optimal storage conditions at the winery during a recent visit. The heat, combined with the lengthy AOC/VDF bureaucratic mess, had a negative effect on the wine.

In my nearly 20 years of buying from Polaner, this is a first. For those that don't know, Polaner is one of the major fine wine importer/distributors here in NY, and I find it highly unlikely that they bungled the shipment, given the thousands of cases we've received in pristine condition over the years.
That would mean everything else is cooked too then right?

The 15 whites were in bottle longer than the cordeloux. 2013 Dolium was probably in bottle longer than the 15 cordeloux. All in the same shipment I believe.

Did those get recalled by Polaner?

I planned on opening the 15 White last night but didn’t have a chance.
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#171 Post by JG Salazar » September 5th, 2019, 11:31 am

c fu wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 11:04 am

That would mean everything else is cooked too then right?
That's the question, but without knowing the storage set-up at the winery, I can't say.

All we received was the '15 Cordeloux, and I don't know if Polaner asked for the other cuvées back from retailers, though there doesn't seem to be many people holding 2015s here in NY.
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#172 Post by jleedionne » September 5th, 2019, 11:35 am

With the delays, I am sure that he ran out of room in the cellar to hold all of the bottles, and there were wines stored at grade at room temperature.
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#173 Post by ybarselah » September 5th, 2019, 12:03 pm

jleedionne wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 11:35 am
With the delays, I am sure that he ran out of room in the cellar to hold all of the bottles, and there were wines stored at grade at room temperature.
Seems like a big deal - are you speculating or do you know this for a fact?
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#174 Post by jleedionne » September 5th, 2019, 12:16 pm

Speculation, so maybe "sure" was an improper term.
But this is not an unlikely scenario from visiting cellars of small producers (and I have not visited Bénetière's cellar, but I am pretty sure it is not Clos Rougeard nor Jean-Louis Chave).

Many small producers do not have the capability to store entire back vintages in their cellars.
This is also why wines are released and delivered at certain times, even when not appropriate (i.e. shipping in the summer in France/this comment is geared towards many EU shipments/not shipments picked up by JF Hillebrand in their reefer trucks.)
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#175 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 5th, 2019, 12:26 pm

Odd that you single out JF Hillebrand as being good actors. Do you have an interest?
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#176 Post by jleedionne » September 5th, 2019, 12:47 pm

If you pay for reefer service, JF Hillebrand collects the wine in reefer trucks.
It has nothing to do with them "being good actors".
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#177 Post by c fu » September 5th, 2019, 12:50 pm

JG Salazar wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 11:31 am
c fu wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 11:04 am

That would mean everything else is cooked too then right?
That's the question, but without knowing the storage set-up at the winery, I can't say.

All we received was the '15 Cordeloux, and I don't know if Polaner asked for the other cuvées back from retailers, though there doesn't seem to be many people holding 2015s here in NY.
Definitely scary! Will try the Condrieu and doliums ASAP with some of the locals.

Talk about cascading issues if that’s case. Two straight vintages goners.

Still curious about the good bottles of cordeloux French tasters are reporting. Thought mine was sound too but small sample size and all
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#178 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 5th, 2019, 12:51 pm

jleedionne wrote:
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If you pay for reefer service, JF Hillebrand collects the wine in reefer trucks.
It has nothing to do with them "being good actors".
You didn't answer the question.
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#179 Post by c fu » September 5th, 2019, 12:54 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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If you pay for reefer service, JF Hillebrand collects the wine in reefer trucks.
It has nothing to do with them "being good actors".
You didn't answer the question.
Let’s keep the speculation/theories to Benetiere in this thread.

How hillebrand picks up/ships is pretty well known to anyone that uses them.
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#180 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 5th, 2019, 12:56 pm

Given that I have some '15 coming to me...
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#181 Post by A. So » September 5th, 2019, 1:50 pm

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#182 Post by Robert Panzer » September 5th, 2019, 2:21 pm

Hillebrand picked up my load and Polaner's load at the same time, in a reefer truck.
My load was sent across the Atlantic in a reefer container.
I have to imagine that Polaner does nothing but reefer, but am not certain.
It is the case that one needs to request the type of truck one wants to pay for with Hillebrand.
But any conscientious importers use the reefer trucks anytime that there is a question.
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#183 Post by ybarselah » September 5th, 2019, 3:34 pm

Robert Panzer wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 2:21 pm
Hillebrand picked up my load and Polaner's load at the same time, in a reefer truck.
My load was sent across the Atlantic in a reefer container.
I have to imagine that Polaner does nothing but reefer, but am not certain.
It is the case that one needs to request the type of truck one wants to pay for with Hillebrand.
But any conscientious importers use the reefer trucks anytime that there is a question.
so no storage issues?
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#184 Post by jleedionne » September 5th, 2019, 4:28 pm

Robert Panzer wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 2:21 pm
Hillebrand picked up my load and Polaner's load at the same time, in a reefer truck.
My load was sent across the Atlantic in a reefer container.
I have to imagine that Polaner does nothing but reefer, but am not certain.
It is the case that one needs to request the type of truck one wants to pay for with Hillebrand.
But any conscientious importers use the reefer trucks anytime that there is a question.
I do not think that the reefer was broken on the truck during the collection.

From JG's comments, it sounds as if Polaner saw something that worried them on a recent visit.
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#185 Post by John Morris » September 5th, 2019, 4:37 pm

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September 5th, 2019, 10:38 am
The explanation I was given from Team Polaner is that they learned of sub-optimal storage conditions at the winery during a recent visit. The heat, combined with the lengthy AOC/VDF bureaucratic mess, had a negative effect on the wine.
Given the extreme heat this summer in France, which goes back to June, it's easy to see how storage would have been less than optimal, particularly at a smaller producer. Few have air conditioned caves.
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#186 Post by c fu » September 5th, 2019, 4:47 pm

John Morris wrote:
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September 5th, 2019, 10:38 am
The explanation I was given from Team Polaner is that they learned of sub-optimal storage conditions at the winery during a recent visit. The heat, combined with the lengthy AOC/VDF bureaucratic mess, had a negative effect on the wine.
Given the extreme heat this summer in France, which goes back to June, it's easy to see how storage would have been less than optimal, particularly at a smaller producer. Few have air conditioned caves.
The wines were on the move early June. Wonder how much the heat impacted. Just looking at historical data it was in the mid 80s in the first couple weeks of June in the area.
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#187 Post by Robert Panzer » September 5th, 2019, 5:09 pm

I don't have the energy at the moment to give a more detailed reply (which is warranted), but to answer briefly, Pierre's cuverie has only heat (a furnace), no AC. It is well insulated.
Both Polaner's and my wines left the week before the crazy high temps of this past June.
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#188 Post by Robert Panzer » September 5th, 2019, 5:11 pm

'13 Dolium tastes pretty damn good right now.
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#189 Post by ybarselah » September 5th, 2019, 6:05 pm

Robert Panzer wrote:
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'13 Dolium tastes pretty damn good right now.
Unicorn wine! Would love to try one.
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#190 Post by Markus S » September 5th, 2019, 6:37 pm

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#191 Post by Robert M yers » September 5th, 2019, 7:29 pm

If this is the story, why wasn’t the wine moved to an air conditioned location? Needn’t be 55 or anything, someone’s basement or house with ac would have worked. We aren’t talking that many cases here are we? Seems odd for the winemaker to let that happen, most of us here panic at 70 something, but that would have been fine for a season.

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Re: Anyone seen, gotten, or received any 2015 Benetiere yet?

#192 Post by John Morris » September 5th, 2019, 8:44 pm

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If this is the story, why wasn’t the wine moved to an air conditioned location? Needn’t be 55 or anything, someone’s basement or house with ac would have worked. We aren’t talking that many cases here are we? Seems odd for the winemaker to let that happen, most of us here panic at 70 something, but that would have been fine for a season.
Have you ever visited small producers in the Rhone or Burgundy? And there is not a lot of AC in France, at least this far north. Plus, this was a freakishly hot summer.
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Re: Anyone seen, gotten, or received any 2015 Benetiere yet?

#193 Post by c fu » September 5th, 2019, 9:28 pm

John Morris wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 8:44 pm
Robert M yers wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 7:29 pm
If this is the story, why wasn’t the wine moved to an air conditioned location? Needn’t be 55 or anything, someone’s basement or house with ac would have worked. We aren’t talking that many cases here are we? Seems odd for the winemaker to let that happen, most of us here panic at 70 something, but that would have been fine for a season.
Have you ever visited small producers in the Rhone or Burgundy? And there is not a lot of AC in France, at least this far north. Plus, this was a freakishly hot summer.
Wines left before the heat wave though
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Re: Anyone seen, gotten, or received any 2015 Benetiere yet?

#194 Post by Andrew Hamilton » September 5th, 2019, 10:02 pm

Apologies if I shouldn't be wading into an argument when I've got no skin in the game, but is it possible that the two importers had their wines stored in two separate reefers when they came across the pond? If so, isn't it possible that the reefer containing the Polaner allocation had a temperature control issue that Robert's allocation wasn't exposed to?

I don't think this has been addressed upthread but i could easily be wrong.
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Re: Anyone seen, gotten, or received any 2015 Benetiere yet?

#195 Post by Robert M yers » September 6th, 2019, 12:22 am

John Morris wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 8:44 pm
Robert M yers wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 7:29 pm
If this is the story, why wasn’t the wine moved to an air conditioned location? Needn’t be 55 or anything, someone’s basement or house with ac would have worked. We aren’t talking that many cases here are we? Seems odd for the winemaker to let that happen, most of us here panic at 70 something, but that would have been fine for a season.
Have you ever visited small producers in the Rhone or Burgundy? And there is not a lot of AC in France, at least this far north. Plus, this was a freakishly hot summer.
No, but a winemaker would certainly know the risks of severe heat, which is why I find that explanation hard to believe. If the heat wave was coming wouldn’t they call the importers who had already bought the wine and say “We have a problem coming here, better make arrangements to get this wine to a place that’s safer” I can’t believe they’d let all their hard work be ruined without an effort at least, it’s not as though a winemaker wouldn’t be following the weather or anything.

As Charlie seems to think that’s not the problem from dates and weather reports, I guess the only ones who can answer that are the importers. Hopefully together they are figuring it out.

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#196 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 6th, 2019, 5:33 am

I’m so tired of this story. Fu pumping his 2015 so he can later flip the 19.5 cases he bought. Yacoov denouncing the 2015 so he can pump up and hype his 2010s for a 3x multiplier. Panzer hoping to hell his stock is fine. And everyone else wondering if they can at least use the wine for Sangria. I’ll wait until better shipping weather before I wade into the waters. I’m not worried. The 2012 is drinking beautifully right now.

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Re: Anyone seen, gotten, or received any 2015 Benetiere yet?

#197 Post by Nathan V. » September 6th, 2019, 5:59 am

Robert M yers wrote:
September 6th, 2019, 12:22 am
John Morris wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 8:44 pm
Robert M yers wrote:
September 5th, 2019, 7:29 pm
If this is the story, why wasn’t the wine moved to an air conditioned location? Needn’t be 55 or anything, someone’s basement or house with ac would have worked. We aren’t talking that many cases here are we? Seems odd for the winemaker to let that happen, most of us here panic at 70 something, but that would have been fine for a season.
Have you ever visited small producers in the Rhone or Burgundy? And there is not a lot of AC in France, at least this far north. Plus, this was a freakishly hot summer.
No, but a winemaker would certainly know the risks of severe heat, which is why I find that explanation hard to believe. If the heat wave was coming wouldn’t they call the importers who had already bought the wine and say “We have a problem coming here, better make arrangements to get this wine to a place that’s safer” I can’t believe they’d let all their hard work be ruined without an effort at least, it’s not as though a winemaker wouldn’t be following the weather or anything.

As Charlie seems to think that’s not the problem from dates and weather reports, I guess the only ones who can answer that are the importers. Hopefully together they are figuring it out.
A winemaker who was behind on his taxes and other paperwork. It sounds to me like some life things were happening here. Making wine is a hard business (selling it too), I hope everything here works out for the best.

Generally, I find that many winemakers aren't as fraught about temperatures as we are.
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Re: Anyone seen, gotten, or received any 2015 Benetiere yet?

#198 Post by Michael Lewis » September 6th, 2019, 6:01 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
September 6th, 2019, 5:33 am
I’m so tired of this story. Fu pumping his 2015 so he can later flip the 19.5 cases he bought. Yacoov denouncing the 2015 so he can pump up and hype his 2010s for a 3x multiplier. Panzer hoping to hell his stock is fine. And everyone else wondering if they can at least use the wine for Sangria. I’ll wait until better shipping weather before I wade into the waters. I’m not worried. The 2012 is drinking beautifully right now.

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Re: Anyone seen, gotten, or received any 2015 Benetiere yet?

#199 Post by Ramon C » September 6th, 2019, 6:22 am

My last 2005 Cordeloux, drank 2 years ago, was good but I thought could still use a few more years to integrate a bit more. The vintage had all the Cote Rotie components that I want and made me a believer in Benetiere.
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Re: Anyone seen, gotten, or received any 2015 Benetiere yet?

#200 Post by ybarselah » September 6th, 2019, 6:39 am

Markus S wrote:
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