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#1 Post by Chris Blum » May 16th, 2019, 6:34 am

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#2 Post by Kris Patten » May 16th, 2019, 7:00 am

That's a pretty big oops, as Le Pin looks nothing like Pichon Lalande. Some customers I have called on have had servers pull a Beaucastel Hommage vs standard CdP for instance, so it happens.
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#3 Post by Jay Miller » May 16th, 2019, 7:03 am

The poor guy. Forced to drink modernist swill and too polite to complain.
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#4 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 16th, 2019, 8:08 am

Kris Patten wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 7:00 am
That's a pretty big oops, as Le Pin looks nothing like Pichon Lalande. Some customers I have called on have had servers pull a Beaucastel Hommage vs standard CdP for instance, so it happens.
Bottle cost around $2500. Incredible PR value minimum $25k. (Best restaurant in NW England) Teasing the employee another $1000. I think they made out like bandits.
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#5 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 16th, 2019, 8:13 am

I would imagine le Pin isn't much 'better' than '01 Pichon Lalande, but haven't had any le Pin to compare. The restaurant handled it with amazing professionalism, and completely turned it into a marketing boon. Smart!
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#6 Post by Eric LeVine » May 16th, 2019, 8:22 am

I had the 2001 Le Pin once, poured by the winery owner, sitting overlooking his vineyard, from 3.0L no less. I love Pichon Lalande more than most, but the Le Pin was at a whole different level. Call it modernist or what you want, but it was some of the best Merlot I have ever tasted.
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#7 Post by Brandon R » May 16th, 2019, 8:34 am

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#8 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 16th, 2019, 9:12 am

BUT did Eric arrive at Le Pin in a helicopter????
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#9 Post by Paul Jaouen » May 16th, 2019, 9:14 am

They had to know what was going on when presented with the bottle. So they basically stole it.
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#10 Post by AndrewH » May 16th, 2019, 9:15 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 8:13 am
I would imagine le Pin isn't much 'better' than '01 Pichon Lalande, but haven't had any le Pin to compare. The restaurant handled it with amazing professionalism, and completely turned it into a marketing boon. Smart!
I'm a bit surprised the customer didn't notice . . . the '01 Pichon isn't exactly an everyday wine either, and the customer probably picked it with intention. Did the barkeep not present the bottle? Did the customer just assume the right one had been pulled?
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#11 Post by Eric LeVine » May 16th, 2019, 9:21 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 9:12 am
BUT did Eric arrive at Le Pin in a helicopter????
Haha, nope. Not even a little.

I arrived there in 2010 to speak at the MW Symposium on a panel about wine and the Internet. Fiona Morrison was one of the co-organizers of the conference that year, and she and Jacques had all the speakers over for dinner after the symposium was done to thank us. They were unbelievably gracious and lovely.
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#12 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 16th, 2019, 9:31 am

AndrewH wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 9:15 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 8:13 am
I would imagine le Pin isn't much 'better' than '01 Pichon Lalande, but haven't had any le Pin to compare. The restaurant handled it with amazing professionalism, and completely turned it into a marketing boon. Smart!
I'm a bit surprised the customer didn't notice . . . the '01 Pichon isn't exactly an everyday wine either, and the customer probably picked it with intention. Did the barkeep not present the bottle? Did the customer just assume the right one had been pulled?
Could have been the 2nd or 3rd bottle in...but yeah, if they DID see it, they would have to know they might get charged for it, and it's not the same price as Pichon...so perhaps they saw it and figured they could just argue their point. They ordered Pichon, that's what they'll pay for. As Paul said, if that's the case, they stole it.
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#13 Post by RichardFlack » May 16th, 2019, 9:38 am

Yeah, if you think about this too hard it does stretch credulity a bit. Unless the customers had more money than sense, ordering a top Bordeaux ( the P-L) with no idea as to what it was was, and / or the resto not first presenting the bottle.
And then an almost perfect response by the restaurant!

In real life, they get charged for the Le Pin, they argue it, the restaurant throws them out, police are called and it’s on the six o’clock news.

Still a great story.

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#14 Post by Jay Miller » May 16th, 2019, 9:49 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 9:31 am
AndrewH wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 9:15 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 8:13 am
I would imagine le Pin isn't much 'better' than '01 Pichon Lalande, but haven't had any le Pin to compare. The restaurant handled it with amazing professionalism, and completely turned it into a marketing boon. Smart!
I'm a bit surprised the customer didn't notice . . . the '01 Pichon isn't exactly an everyday wine either, and the customer probably picked it with intention. Did the barkeep not present the bottle? Did the customer just assume the right one had been pulled?
Could have been the 2nd or 3rd bottle in...but yeah, if they DID see it, they would have to know they might get charged for it, and it's not the same price as Pichon...so perhaps they saw it and figured they could just argue their point. They ordered Pichon, that's what they'll pay for. As Paul said, if that's the case, they stole it.
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#15 Post by GregT » May 16th, 2019, 11:16 am

Right. And most people, even those who buy expensive wine, don't know one from the other. Unless like what seems to be a growing number, they live in their phones and they take a picture of every bottle they consume and look up the ratings so they know whether they're supposed to like the wine or not.

But all in all, I agree with Mark. The restaurant comes off as being a place that not only has a good wine list, but also as a place that's not too snooty and pretentious. The kind of place you'd want to visit. Great marketing. Now we're all talking about a place that most of us have never heard of and people in the area are also doing so and are more likely to visit.

And locally, the story might continue if the people are found and make the inevitable news clips.
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#16 Post by Eric Egan » May 16th, 2019, 12:36 pm

For those of you in the UK, this might be the best part of the whole story...
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#17 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » May 16th, 2019, 12:45 pm

Eric LeVine wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 9:21 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 9:12 am
BUT did Eric arrive at Le Pin in a helicopter????
Haha, nope. Not even a little.

I arrived there in 2010 to speak at the MW Symposium on a panel about wine and the Internet. Fiona Morrison was one of the co-organizers of the conference that year, and she and Jacques had all the speakers over for dinner after the symposium was done to thank us. They were unbelievably gracious and lovely.
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#18 Post by David Schliecker » May 16th, 2019, 1:42 pm

On my honeymoon my wife and I ordered a 1995 Grand Puy Lacoste and the waiter (who really had no clue about wine) brought out a 1995 Lafite Rothschild. We send it back but I thought about it for a fraction of a second...

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#19 Post by Joshua Kates » May 16th, 2019, 1:59 pm

What about the fact that they tried to order a second bottle? For 2 people at the bar? Makes me think they must have known; I have to admit, I'd have been tempted, though probably would not have pulled the trigger.

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#20 Post by Paul McCourt » May 16th, 2019, 2:22 pm

Maybe they did know...but. lots of people are pretty tuned out the ritual of opening and showing the wine to them barely registers and they really are mindlessly nodding without really paying an ounce of attention. Or maybe they couldn't really remember what they ordered and had no idea what they were getting. Who knows?
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#21 Post by Steve Gautier » May 16th, 2019, 4:09 pm

Who knows if this is real or not:

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#22 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 16th, 2019, 4:18 pm

ok...this is starting to sound like a marketing setup from the get-go...
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#23 Post by Robert M yers » May 16th, 2019, 4:49 pm

Would the restaurant really not tell the Patron? Even if I was going to give it to them, I’d at least want them to know what they were drinking so they could enjoy their good fortune if they we not aware.

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#24 Post by RichardFlack » May 16th, 2019, 5:19 pm

One hates to be cynical but the Resto response is a little too good, too polished, especially the “chin up” msg to the server. On the other hand without knowing their list a rather over the top bottle for basic PR stunt, they’d get same mileage probably from a £1000 or £2000 bottle.
Im also quite impressed at a chain Resto carrying £4500 bottles.
In an earlier pre internet era we’d be more inclined to take such a story at face value.
Any way it has prompted me to pull an 02 P-L (closest I have to 01), o for a weekend visit to some friends, for a bit of fun. No Le Pin in my cellar .... (insert adverb of choice).

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#25 Post by Karl K » May 16th, 2019, 7:14 pm

They didn’t open the foil correctly.

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#26 Post by NED VALOIS » May 16th, 2019, 8:28 pm

In Memory of Bob Hudson & dinner with Le Pin 3 Liter. [cry.gif]

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Dear Bob:

The evening was truly spectacular! Thank you so much. I am still reveling in the memory of the double magnums of 1983 Ch. Mouton Rothschild, 1991 Silver Oak Napa Valley, 1998 Ch. Le Pin and 1989 Gaja Barbaresco. Wow! And to start it off with a jeroboam of 1989 Louis Roederer Cristal. I thought for a moment that I died and had gone to heaven.

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#27 Post by Jason T » May 16th, 2019, 8:38 pm

NED VALOIS wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 8:28 pm
In Memory of Bob Hudson & dinner with Le Pin 3 Liter. [cry.gif]

Nov 22, 2013, 8:40 AM
Dear Bob:

The evening was truly spectacular! Thank you so much. I am still reveling in the memory of the double magnums of 1983 Ch. Mouton Rothschild, 1991 Silver Oak Napa Valley, 1998 Ch. Le Pin and 1989 Gaja Barbaresco. Wow! And to start it off with a jeroboam of 1989 Louis Roederer Cristal. I thought for a moment that I died and had gone to heaven.
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#28 Post by NED VALOIS » May 16th, 2019, 9:10 pm

YES, IT & HE WAS !
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#29 Post by Alain M » May 17th, 2019, 1:55 am

FYI Hawksmoor might be considered a chain restaurant but it's not a big size operation. They are actually pretty well known for their steaks (sourced from the Ginger Pig by Tim Wilson) and it's not cheap. So it's not that surprising that they have pricey items on their list.

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#30 Post by AaronB » May 18th, 2019, 1:55 am

I wouldn't really call Hawksmoor a 'chain' in the same way as something like Angus steakhouse which purely exists to trap tourists. It's a much higher quality operation.

The owner is the son of Fiona Beckett who is a famous food and wine writer in the UK, which might explain the wine list.
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#31 Post by Brian Tuite » May 18th, 2019, 6:30 am

RichardFlack wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 9:38 am
Yeah, if you think about this too hard it does stretch credulity a bit. Unless the customers had more money than sense, ordering a top Bordeaux ( the P-L) with no idea as to what it was was, and / or the resto not first presenting the bottle.
And then an almost perfect response by the restaurant!

In The USA, they get charged for the Le Pin, they argue it, the restaurant throws them out, police are called and it’s on the six o’clock news.

Still a great story.
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#32 Post by AndrewH » May 18th, 2019, 12:04 pm

Here's their wine list:

https://thehawksmoor.com/locations/manc ... /rarities/

(Don't see the 2001 P-L though - maybe they're out!)
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#33 Post by RichardFlack » May 18th, 2019, 2:40 pm

I’ll take six of the Conseillante ‘89 over 1 btl of Le Pin any day of the week.

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