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Kinsman Inaugural Release

#1 Post by H Guy » May 15th, 2019, 2:58 pm

Anyone else on the release or have had an early taste? It's set for Wed May 22.
It is with great excitement we ask you to please save a date on your calendar for our pre-release offering. Next Wednesday, May 22 at 8am PDT the offer will open, allowing us to share the very first vintage of our maiden wine project. It will close midnight, June 5, 2019.

Included in this offer will be two single-vineyard wines from the stellar 2016 vintage: Anjea Cabernet Sauvignon (Sleeping Lady Vineyard, Yountville) and Rhadamanthus Cabernet Blend (former Reverie Vineyard, Diamond Mountain District).

With limited production from 2016 we are sadly unable to guarantee allocations, so we encourage you to order early during the release period. For ease of ordering, we invite you to log in to your account in advance to set a password and enter your address and payment details, if you have not already done so.

You are part of a small subset of our mailing list with whom we are sharing this pre-release offer. Our hope is to be able to extend an offer to our entire mailing list during our inaugural release in the fall, but for now our priority is to ensure our earliest supporters are able to secure an allocation. We appreciate your discretion regarding this offer.

With gratitude (and a slight case of the jitters),
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#2 Post by Josh H » May 15th, 2019, 3:03 pm

I was in early, so I got the upcoming offer too. Looking forward to it!
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#3 Post by Alan Eden » May 15th, 2019, 3:27 pm

Any idea of cost
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#4 Post by Anthony V » May 15th, 2019, 3:51 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 3:27 pm
Any idea of cost
Vinous has the release price for the Diamond Mountain at $235 and Sleeping Lady at $195. Both rated a 97.
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#5 Post by Alan Eden » May 15th, 2019, 4:00 pm

So is this the next Macdonald or just another high price Napa cab ?
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#6 Post by Bdklein » May 15th, 2019, 5:17 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 4:00 pm
So is this the next Macdonald or just another high price Napa cab ?
TIme will tell. It ain’t BTK fruit.
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#7 Post by BenW » May 15th, 2019, 5:24 pm

I’m in as well. Just wondering what price points are going to represent to you all:
(A) good value?
(B) too expensive?
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#8 Post by Alan Eden » May 15th, 2019, 5:42 pm

Which wines were previously made with the fruit
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#9 Post by Josh H » May 15th, 2019, 5:52 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 4:00 pm
So is this the next Macdonald or just another high price Napa cab ?
Unlikely the latter because of who’s involved. I doubt MACDONALD is a fair comparison as it’s not To Kalon fruit and doesn’t have the history. Neither are issues to me. Will it have the same fervent following? Who knows.
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#10 Post by jgreco » May 15th, 2019, 6:31 pm

Prices are around $200. Good pedigree, great vineyards, I’m in to get a 3-pack of each.
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#11 Post by Alan Eden » May 16th, 2019, 5:34 am

Anyone sign up and not get the offer ?
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#12 Post by Kris Patten » May 16th, 2019, 6:56 am

Pricing from Shae Kinsman.

2016 Anjea: $585/3pk

2016 Rhadamanthus: $705/3pk
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#13 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » May 16th, 2019, 7:18 am

Josh H wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 5:52 pm
Alan Eden wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 4:00 pm
So is this the next Macdonald or just another high price Napa cab ?
Unlikely the latter because of who’s involved. I doubt MACDONALD is a fair comparison as it’s not To Kalon fruit and doesn’t have the history. Neither are issues to me. Will it have the same fervent following? Who knows.
Also, it is all purchased fruit. I have heard good things from folks in Valley about the project and the winemaker definitely has the pedigree coming from Araujo.

Two three packs after tax and shipping will be $1500 to my door. That is a pretty big nut to swallow on a first release project (even though great vineyards, vintage, review, etc.) and I don't know if I need anymore $200 bottle of wine. If it was a pick your poison offering, I might give a 3 bottle mix a spin.
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#14 Post by Joe Mendez » May 16th, 2019, 7:32 am

Steep price, will consider it but more likely wait for more reviews to come in.

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#15 Post by Justin Wittkopf » May 16th, 2019, 9:47 am

I just met with Nigel and Shae on Tuesday and tasted many of their wines. We tasted the 2016 and 2017 Anijea, 2016 and 2017 Rhadamanthus, and then went through some 2018 barrel samples of the two vineyards and also of a new site that used to be part of the Araujo Eisle wine but became available after the French took over. All in all, we tasted 10 wines.

Nigel and Shae are just fantastic people and we had a great time learning about them and their new project. The wines are tremendous across the board. I took some notes but no formal tasting notes. It was great to see the wines across three vintages. Both the Anijea and Rhadamanthus wines have this amazing palate feel, that is balanced and long with a sort of nervous tension that is really intriguing. But they do that without being overly cloying or heavy. Their fruit expression is pure and fresh, with the Anijea being a little more red-toned and the Rhad being more dark fruited. I preferred the 2016 wines to the 2017, but only by a little. The 2018’s are rockstars and just wait for the new vineyard site to be released. These are superb wines, hands down. Cannot recommend them enough to everyone.

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#16 Post by Greg Smith » May 16th, 2019, 1:57 pm

Be an interesting test to measure a quality winemaker on the quality of wine between Araujo (Eisele) and Kinsman (Reverie/Sleeping Lady). Does the winemaker dominate or the vineyard? Does anyone know the quality of Reverie and Sleeping Lady?

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#17 Post by Ian S » May 16th, 2019, 6:02 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 5:42 pm
Which wines were previously made with the fruit
The Rhadamanthus comes from the former Reverie Vineyard on Diamond Mountain, which is where the fruit for Lokoya's Diamond Mountain comes from.
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#18 Post by blarmston » May 16th, 2019, 8:55 pm

Benoit Touquette makes a beautiful Sleeping Lady with his personal Fait Main label.

I will be in for a three pack so that I can do a compare/contrast in a couple years between the two winemakers. Totally geeky I know, but I find it interesting to see how two people can create different interpretations of the same grapes and same vintage.
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#19 Post by Josh Grossman » May 17th, 2019, 8:40 am

I’m out if it’s more expensive than things like Myriad’s, Piper’s, or Riverrain’s top wines. Those both get fruit from top sites.

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#20 Post by J a y H a c k » May 17th, 2019, 11:15 am

To quote my grandmother, “Ich darf es vi a loch in kop." Or maybe it was, "Es felt mir vi a lokh in kop. " My yiddish isn't very good and Google gives both.
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#21 Post by Joshua Kates » May 17th, 2019, 11:16 am

Yep, I hear you, Jay, I need it like a hit in the head, as well...but you never know.

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#22 Post by Phil S t a f f o r d » May 17th, 2019, 12:37 pm

I tasted the 16's last year, notes here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=153483&p=2557930#p2557930

I also tasted a few days ago with Justin as noted above. Agree with his notes and feel the wines have improved in the bottle since last year. Outstanding juice and I'm a buyer!

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#23 Post by rdlang » May 17th, 2019, 3:35 pm

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blarmston wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 8:55 pm
Benoit Touquette makes a beautiful Sleeping Lady with his personal Fait Main label.

I will be in for a three pack so that I can do a compare/contrast in a couple years between the two winemakers. Totally geeky I know, but I find it interesting to see how two people can create different interpretations of the same grapes and same vintage.
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#24 Post by rdlang » May 17th, 2019, 3:36 pm

Can I join you? That would be fun. And you have officially turned me into nerd so let's do it! hahah
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#25 Post by KyleC » May 21st, 2019, 11:51 am

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 7:18 am
Two three packs after tax and shipping will be $1500 to my door. That is a pretty big nut to swallow on a first release project (even though great vineyards, vintage, review, etc.) and I don't know if I need anymore $200 bottle of wine. If it was a pick your poison offering, I might give a 3 bottle mix a spin.
I agree...given it's a first release I wish there was a mixed 3-pack option.
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#26 Post by KyleC » May 21st, 2019, 11:52 am

blarmston wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 8:55 pm
Benoit Touquette makes a beautiful Sleeping Lady with his personal Fait Main label.

I will be in for a three pack so that I can do a compare/contrast in a couple years between the two winemakers. Totally geeky I know, but I find it interesting to see how two people can create different interpretations of the same grapes and same vintage.
Hah my thinking exactly. I'm sitting on a 13 and 14 Fait Main Sleeping Lady...if I buy the Kinsman will def. want to pick up a 16 as well to do the comparison as you said. Bringing the spirit of Burgundy to Napa [cheers.gif]
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#27 Post by ykwon » May 22nd, 2019, 7:34 am

Grabbed some anjea
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#28 Post by H Guy » May 22nd, 2019, 8:11 am

ykwon wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 7:34 am
Grabbed some anjea
I don't see an option to order any wine when I logged in. Where did you order?
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#29 Post by Josh Grossman » May 22nd, 2019, 8:14 am

H Guy wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 8:11 am
ykwon wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 7:34 am
Grabbed some anjea
I don't see an option to order any wine when I logged in. Where did you order?
Go to checkout, then view cart, then hit the link to "I don't see anything, let us rectify that". Then realize you don't want three bottles. Then come back here.

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#30 Post by MICHAEL C R O M W E L L » May 22nd, 2019, 8:15 am

Same problem....I had to log out and click the email link for the order form to show up.
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#31 Post by KyleC » May 22nd, 2019, 8:21 am

You have to click the link in the email. If anyone wants to split some Rhad, let me know, I'm in the Bay Area.
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#32 Post by jeffruggels » May 22nd, 2019, 10:41 am

i went for it, despite trimming much elsewhere. Talent + sounds like very good people and a vineyard area i have less experience

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#33 Post by KenL. » May 22nd, 2019, 10:58 am

jeffruggels wrote:
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i went for it, despite trimming much elsewhere. Talent + sounds like very good people and a vineyard area i have less experience
Same here, dropped off another list to make room for this one.
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#34 Post by mattlock » May 22nd, 2019, 11:11 am

The struggle is real...to push or not push the purchase button. If you had to go with one or the other, where’s everyone leaning? Help shove me over the edge please.

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#35 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » May 22nd, 2019, 11:24 am

mattlock wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 11:11 am
The struggle is real...to push or not push the purchase button. If you had to go with one or the other, where’s everyone leaning? Help shove me over the edge please.
I went ahead and bought both three packs. Not buying Scarecrow and Maybach anymore, so I needed a gap filler.
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#36 Post by adam landa » May 22nd, 2019, 11:40 am

In as well...solid background, good people and friends who have raved.

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#37 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » May 22nd, 2019, 12:02 pm

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 11:24 am
mattlock wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 11:11 am
The struggle is real...to push or not push the purchase button. If you had to go with one or the other, where’s everyone leaning? Help shove me over the edge please.
Not buying Maybach anymore, so I needed a gap filler.
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#38 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » May 22nd, 2019, 12:09 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 12:02 pm
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 11:24 am
mattlock wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 11:11 am
The struggle is real...to push or not push the purchase button. If you had to go with one or the other, where’s everyone leaning? Help shove me over the edge please.
Not buying Maybach anymore, so I needed a gap filler.
Porque no?
Pricing for one. Also, I have found the Materium to be getting sweeter and more concentrated for my tastes in recent vintages. We had a magnum of 2005 two weeks ago that was freaking amazing. I don't see the past few releases lasting, much less improving, for 14 years.
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#39 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » May 22nd, 2019, 3:14 pm

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 12:09 pm
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 12:02 pm
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 11:24 am


Not buying Maybach anymore, so I needed a gap filler.
Porque no?
Good to know. Another one to scratch off my allocations list.

Pricing for one. Also, I have found the Materium to be getting sweeter and more concentrated for my tastes in recent vintages. We had a magnum of 2005 two weeks ago that was freaking amazing. I don't see the past few releases lasting, much less improving, for 14 years.

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#40 Post by KyleC » May 22nd, 2019, 6:39 pm

After some hemming and hawing (and an OK from the SO...) I'm in for the Rhadamanthus.
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#41 Post by Mark Maddox » May 22nd, 2019, 7:04 pm

In for both...very intrigued.

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#42 Post by mattlock » May 24th, 2019, 9:45 am

Ok I made the jump as well...couldn’t say no. I was hoping for a mixed 3-pack so if anyone wants a bottle or two of each let me know and I’m willing to split it up at cost then ship when it arrives.

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#43 Post by OwenB » May 24th, 2019, 11:22 am

If anyone in New York bought more than they would have liked I’d be happy to chip in for a bottle or two.
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    #44 Post by Alan Eden » May 29th, 2019, 10:25 am

    So did this sell out ?
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    #45 Post by Eric White » May 29th, 2019, 12:36 pm

    Alan Eden wrote:
    May 29th, 2019, 10:25 am
    So did this sell out ?
    My offer still shows as available to purchase, so doesn't seem so.

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    #46 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » May 29th, 2019, 12:49 pm

    Eric White wrote:
    May 29th, 2019, 12:36 pm
    Alan Eden wrote:
    May 29th, 2019, 10:25 am
    So did this sell out ?
    My offer still shows as available to purchase, so doesn't seem so.

    I imagine it will eventually sell out.

    The only two certain immediate sell outs now in Napa are Screaming Eagle and MacDonald, I would imagine. Not to say that others don't, but I think those two are the dead locks for right quick and in a hurry.
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    #47 Post by MICHAEL C R O M W E L L » May 29th, 2019, 3:13 pm

    Can’t speak to whether it’s sold out, but wish list was granted today.
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    #48 Post by NickRut » May 30th, 2019, 7:22 am

    Anyone not buying mind sharing their allocation? Intrigued by the project and didn’t sign up in time.
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    #49 Post by KenL. » May 30th, 2019, 7:30 am

    NickRut wrote:
    May 30th, 2019, 7:22 am
    Anyone not buying mind sharing their allocation? Intrigued by the project and didn’t sign up in time.
    As far as I know the official release will be on the fall.
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    #50 Post by NickRut » May 30th, 2019, 2:01 pm

    KenL. wrote:
    May 30th, 2019, 7:30 am
    NickRut wrote:
    May 30th, 2019, 7:22 am
    Anyone not buying mind sharing their allocation? Intrigued by the project and didn’t sign up in time.
    As far as I know the official release will be on the fall.

    Oh that’s good, thank you for the heads up.

    I’m impatient though so if anyone is passing, I’m certainly interested.
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