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Give up salt or give up wine?

#1 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 15th, 2019, 5:40 am

There was an old questionnaire give up garlic or wine. That one was easy, garlic. But yesterday it came up, and my wife asked a much more difficult question. I am torn, but I think the answer would be wine.
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#2 Post by edwardmilstein » May 15th, 2019, 5:43 am

definitely salt- rarely cook with it anymore. Now wine, that would be a tragedy and such a waste of a perfectly good cellar.Surprised you would pick wine.
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#3 Post by Chris Tuttle » May 15th, 2019, 5:48 am

I think Mark meant salt anywhere, not added salt. Think how bad that would be! Forget ever having baked goods again. Fruits, veg, and unsalted meat. Hey, I'm almost there :) Those baked goods though....

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#4 Post by Blair Ridley » May 15th, 2019, 5:49 am

Easy for me - give up salt. There are so many other ways to season food that salt is an easy trade for wine.

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#5 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 15th, 2019, 5:52 am

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I think Mark meant salt anywhere, not added salt. Think how bad that would be! Forget ever having baked goods again. Fruits, veg, and unsalted meat. Hey, I'm almost there :) Those baked goods though....
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#6 Post by Markus S » May 15th, 2019, 5:54 am

I think you were wrong about the garlic.
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#7 Post by CJ Beazley » May 15th, 2019, 6:01 am

Salt.

*isnt there a certain amount of salt needed to sustain the human body? Can we at least have the bare minimum?
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#8 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 15th, 2019, 6:04 am

Why give up salt completely?

I thought it was fine in moderation.

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#9 Post by Jay Miller » May 15th, 2019, 6:07 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Why give up salt completely?

I thought it was fine in moderation.
It's a thought exercise.

I'd give up wine.

but on the original question I'd give up garlic.
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#10 Post by Neal.Mollen » May 15th, 2019, 6:10 am

I don't want to die. Yet. Can't live without salt; can live, if poorly, without wine
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#11 Post by CJ Beazley » May 15th, 2019, 6:12 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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Why give up salt completely?

I thought it was fine in moderation.
I got a horrible cramp in my leg one night, my doc told me up the salt. My normal diet has very very little salt.
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#12 Post by Justin S » May 15th, 2019, 6:14 am

Giving up wine would be both healthier* and tastier overall for me. Don’t need a lot of salt in my food but I do need some to bring out the flavors whereas wine is less essential to everyday life.


* That salt is so bad for you has been overblown IMO. At one time we thought a high fat diet was bad too.
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#13 Post by John Gilman » May 15th, 2019, 6:27 am

Hi Mark,

Why not go "saltless" on evenings when you want to drink wine, and just spit the wine when you want a bit of salt?

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#14 Post by Anton D » May 15th, 2019, 6:37 am

Easy. Salt.

I am assuming the rules of the game allow life sustaining sodium intake.

I gave up added salt in 1991. Ever since I did, it’s weird, I eat more food with Soy sauce.
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#15 Post by Fred Bower » May 15th, 2019, 6:47 am

If giving up salt means giving up all foods with sodium content, then that's impractical and unhealthful. If it means giving up the addition of salt in your cooking and at the table, it is a relatively easy shift in diet with a tough up-front recalibration of the palate. I was in this mode of "saltless" for about 20 years but have brought the shaker back for select applications in our menu.

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#16 Post by Chris Tuttle » May 15th, 2019, 6:47 am

Anton D wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 6:37 am
Easy. Salt.

I am assuming the rules of the game allow life sustaining sodium intake.

I gave up added salt in 1991. Ever since I did, it’s weird, I eat more food with Soy sauce.
You're trolling us right?! Soy sauce? I just checked my fridge and our soy sauce is 29% salt.

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#17 Post by Eric Egan » May 15th, 2019, 6:50 am

I presume we're not including the salt that you find naturally in pretty much all fresh ingredients, including water? If that's the case, then the question becomes rather academic, as you'd need to remove salt from everything before you eat it, then die from a lack of some of them. If we restrict it to 'natural' salts, in fresh ingredients only, then that's more conceivable - though it would entail not buying pre-made or baked goods, and limiting where you can go out to eat to a small number of places (though how often would you go out to eat if you could't have wine with the food...?).

Actually, there are only a few things that I add salt to, so I could easily give it up. In fact now that I think about it, I'm sure I've gone many weeks without using salt (or buying food with added salt) in the past. I make all my own baked goods and hardly ever add salt (though I do use a lot of seeds, some of which have more salts in them than you'd think).

Would it entail giving up meat as well perhaps, which can have a lot of salt in it? Actually, that brings another question - would you rather give up meat or wine?
(For me the answer is easy, as I very rarely eat meat anyway).
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#18 Post by K John Joseph » May 15th, 2019, 6:53 am

I think this is an Anton joke, but how in the world can one both "give up added salt" and then use soy sauce? This is like giving up all sugar then drinking cokes 4 times a day.

I'd give up wine. I have wine a few times a week. I eat seasoned food 3 times a day. And while there are other ways to season food, I don't think anything comes close to salt, added appropriately, to make food taste better. I think the overall enjoyment of salt outweighs the occasional deep enjoyment of wine. Plus I like scotch, gin, and beer.
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#19 Post by Jay Miller » May 15th, 2019, 6:54 am

Anton D wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 6:37 am
Easy. Salt.

I am assuming the rules of the game allow life sustaining sodium intake.

I gave up added salt in 1991. Ever since I did, it’s weird, I eat more food with Soy sauce.
I assumed the first as well.

But I assumed that "salt" included other condiments which included sodium such as soy sauce or fish sauce.
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#20 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 15th, 2019, 7:00 am

Ok, gentle people. Enough salt from products that contain it in small quantities to allow you to live. But I suspect you will be giving up seafood. And yes, this excludes salty products like soy sauce and Cheetos
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#21 Post by LMD Ermitaño » May 15th, 2019, 7:08 am

Due to hereditary hypertension that spikes with even moderate salt use, I’m used to minimally salted food. I’d give up added salt instead of wine (since I really avoid salty food to begin with).
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#22 Post by John Gilman » May 15th, 2019, 7:44 am

What about just changing doctors Mark?

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#23 Post by Corey N. » May 15th, 2019, 7:52 am

Jay Miller wrote:
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It's a thought exercise.

I'd give up wine.

but on the original question I'd give up garlic.
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#24 Post by ky1em!ttskus » May 15th, 2019, 7:53 am

Can I give up Mark instead?

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#25 Post by Joe Chanley » May 15th, 2019, 7:56 am

As someone who also loves beer, bourbon and lately, tequila, I would sacrifice wine sadly. Plus, I assume I'll get to consume my already purchased bottles which would last me a little while.

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#26 Post by Anton D » May 15th, 2019, 8:03 am

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Ok, gentle people. Enough salt from products that contain it in small quantities to allow you to live. But I suspect you will be giving up seafood. And yes, this excludes salty products like soy sauce and Cheetos
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#27 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » May 15th, 2019, 8:28 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
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Ok, gentle people. Enough salt from products that contain it in small quantities to allow you to live. But I suspect you will be giving up seafood. And yes, this excludes salty products like soy sauce and Cheetos
Giving up added salt along with pre-packaged products that contain salt as an ingredient (rarely eat any of those), then salt would be the easy choice. But if I also had to give up foods like fresh seafood which contain naturally occurring quantities of sodium, then I would have to give up wine.
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#28 Post by CJ Beazley » May 15th, 2019, 8:31 am

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#29 Post by johngonzales » May 15th, 2019, 8:58 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 5:52 am
Chris Tuttle wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 5:48 am
I think Mark meant salt anywhere, not added salt. Think how bad that would be! Forget ever having baked goods again. Fruits, veg, and unsalted meat. Hey, I'm almost there :) Those baked goods though....
Yes, salt period.

If it were salt PERIOD, I’d give up wine. While one can eliminate added salt with home cooking, thereis salt in basically everything prepared by someone else. So one would basically not be able to go out to eat. One also could not buy a vast number of grocery store items.

I have cut my sodium consumption to below 50% of what it was. That wasn’t super difficult as I stopped eating all the fast food, most prepared package meals, and add very little at home as well as using a low-sodium substitute when I do. I could get down a little farther but the latter percentage cuts get much harder, especially i for one wants to dine out here and there.

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#30 Post by John Kight » May 15th, 2019, 9:12 am

Isn't salt an essential nutrient, or at least the iodine that most of us ONLY get from salt? I suppose the point of the question is intended to be about the hierarchy of pleasures, however, and not about human nutritional need.... But it is important to know whether the question is about ADDED salt, as otherwise you'd have to give up all processed food and probably all restaurant foods as well, and even then it may not be possible due to natural sodium content of at least most (if not ALL) nuts, vegetables, beans, etc.

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#31 Post by NED VALOIS » May 15th, 2019, 9:18 am

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#32 Post by Anton D » May 15th, 2019, 9:28 am

CJ Beazley wrote:
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#33 Post by Scott G r u n e r » May 15th, 2019, 10:17 am

Give up wine. There are many other beverage options that I could live with. Without salt, the world is bland and uninteresting place. Wine with cardboard tasting food sounds like a the devil's take on corked irony.
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#34 Post by John Danza » May 15th, 2019, 10:47 am

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#35 Post by Dennis Atick » May 15th, 2019, 10:51 am

I don't understand the "i don't cook with salt" thing that I hear from many people, including my parents.
It's the most important ingredient in all cooking.
Unless it is some dire medical reason...
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#36 Post by Carlos Delpin » May 15th, 2019, 11:06 am

Every time I see a thread like this one I am reminded of the saying in Spain that North Americans want to die healthy.

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#38 Post by GregT » May 15th, 2019, 11:21 am

I don't drink hard liquor or beer, but I'd probably give up wine if I could keep ciders.

If that's not an option, I'd give up added salt.

But not naturally occurring salt, as found in things like seafood, soy sauce, Chinese food, BBQ, etc.
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#39 Post by J a y H a c k » May 15th, 2019, 11:24 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 5:52 am
Chris Tuttle wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 5:48 am
I think Mark meant salt anywhere, not added salt. Think how bad that would be! Forget ever having baked goods again. Fruits, veg, and unsalted meat. Hey, I'm almost there :) Those baked goods though....
Yes, salt period.
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#40 Post by David K o l i n » May 15th, 2019, 11:29 am

I definitely would give up wine. Could still have gin and whiskey. And, of course, there is sake.

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#41 Post by John Kight » May 15th, 2019, 12:22 pm

J a y H a c k wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 11:24 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 5:52 am
Chris Tuttle wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 5:48 am
I think Mark meant salt anywhere, not added salt. Think how bad that would be! Forget ever having baked goods again. Fruits, veg, and unsalted meat. Hey, I'm almost there :) Those baked goods though....
Yes, salt period.
Impractical. Nothing from the ocean. No risen dough. No soy sauce. No restaurant food. No Take Out. Virtually no cheese. No pork. Nothing from a can. No cold cuts. No pizza. No fast food. No Mexican food. No Chinese food. No Chablis. neener
Even more impractical than that. No nuts, no vegetables, no fruits. All food has sodium (though some fruits have as low as 3-5 mg). In addition, humans would die without any dietary sodium. (Just confirmed this via a quick Google search).

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#42 Post by Chris Seiber » May 15th, 2019, 1:10 pm

Would you give up wine or TV?

To clarify:

By TV, I mean any viewing of TV, whether news, sports, programming, watching streaming content, watching DVDs, anything.

The ban would include when you're out in commercial establishments or at someone else's house. But it wouldn't mean that you can't be at a restaurant or a friend's house where you'll incidentally see a TV on, so long as you don't actually watch it in substance.

And you can't watch TV or the equivalent on your phone or computer either. But you can otherwise use your phone and computer in other ways.

You can, however, go to the movie theater and watch a movie. Or I guess watch a not-made-for-TV movie on a computer or phone or on the back of an airplane seat.

Which would you do?

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#43 Post by Neal.Mollen » May 15th, 2019, 1:15 pm

Chris Seiber wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 1:10 pm
Would you give up wine or TV?

To clarify:

By TV, I mean any viewing of TV, whether news, sports, programming, watching streaming content, watching DVDs, anything.

The ban would include when you're out in commercial establishments or at someone else's house. But it wouldn't mean that you can't be at a restaurant or a friend's house where you'll incidentally see a TV on, so long as you don't actually watch it in substance.

And you can't watch TV or the equivalent on your phone or computer either. But you can otherwise use your phone and computer in other ways.

You can, however, go to the movie theater and watch a movie. Or I guess watch a not-made-for-TV movie on a computer or phone or on the back of an airplane seat.

Which would you do?
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#44 Post by K John Joseph » May 15th, 2019, 1:50 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 1:15 pm
Chris Seiber wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 1:10 pm
Would you give up wine or TV?

To clarify:

By TV, I mean any viewing of TV, whether news, sports, programming, watching streaming content, watching DVDs, anything.

The ban would include when you're out in commercial establishments or at someone else's house. But it wouldn't mean that you can't be at a restaurant or a friend's house where you'll incidentally see a TV on, so long as you don't actually watch it in substance.

And you can't watch TV or the equivalent on your phone or computer either. But you can otherwise use your phone and computer in other ways.

You can, however, go to the movie theater and watch a movie. Or I guess watch a not-made-for-TV movie on a computer or phone or on the back of an airplane seat.

Which would you do?
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#45 Post by Scott G r u n e r » May 15th, 2019, 2:26 pm

It's a bit of a muddy definition that you can not watch DVD's but you can go to a movie theatre or watch them on airplanes. Brett Favre.

Let's go back to a real hypothetical like consuming zero sodium chloride in any shape or form.
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#46 Post by K John Joseph » May 15th, 2019, 3:01 pm

Scott G r u n e r wrote:
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Let's go back to a real hypothetical like consuming zero sodium chloride in any shape or form.
To be fair to Mark, he came off that hypo pretty early and switched to no added salt and assumption of satisfaction of dietary needs.
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#47 Post by Eric Egan » May 15th, 2019, 4:21 pm

Appears it's the exclusive beetroot and Beaujolais diet for me from here on out!
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#48 Post by TimF » May 15th, 2019, 4:29 pm

This is an easy one: wine.

Salt is so crucial that it has its own flavor category.
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#49 Post by Albert R » May 15th, 2019, 5:49 pm

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Re: Give up salt or give up wine?

#50 Post by GregT » May 15th, 2019, 6:51 pm

TimF wrote:
May 15th, 2019, 4:29 pm
This is an easy one: wine.

Salt is so crucial that it has its own flavor category.
Caramel?
G . T a t a r

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