TN: 2009 R. López de Heredia Rioja Rosado Viña Tondonia

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#1 Post by Dale McClaran » May 12th, 2019, 9:41 am

  • 2009 R. López de Heredia Rioja Rosado Viña Tondonia - Spain, La Rioja, La Rioja Alta, Rioja (5/12/2019)
    I can’t think of the last time I have had so much anticipation of a rose, and with good reason as this truly was a singular experience. Lots of notes on CT describe ‘paint thinner or ‘petrol’ which is indeed accurate, but by no means off putting, nor was it as oxidative as I had thought it would have been. Instead, this was exceed lying fresh, spry even, with a textural richness from the use of oak. My normal tool box of TN words simply break down here, as I can’t really describe this other than it had my 100% full attention and that I loved it. Don’t hesitate if you can find this for the proper release price $35-$50 though a head scratcher as to secondary market prices in terms of paying $250 for a rose, but simple supply and demand I get it. Outstanding.
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#2 Post by larry schaffer » May 12th, 2019, 9:51 am

Interesting note, my friend. Curious as to what temperature you served this at - and if it was chilled, how it changed and evolved as it got closer to room temperature?

Certainly a 'singular' wine indeed - and one that's difficult to 'directly compare' to others.

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#3 Post by Dale McClaran » May 12th, 2019, 10:01 am

Hi Larry,

I don't have a specific temp for you other than it was well within the range of my normal white and did seem to develop as it warmed. Certainly a decant might have helped, certainly wouldn't have harmed it, that's for sure.
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#4 Post by Vince T » May 12th, 2019, 11:24 am

Nice work sourcing one Dale. How would you describe the color of the wine? Hard to tell from your pic, but it looks a bit more cherry red than previous vintages, which I'd describe as closer to salmon or orangish even.
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#5 Post by scamhi » May 12th, 2019, 11:33 am

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the color is a golden orange with no oxidative notes
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#6 Post by Dale McClaran » May 12th, 2019, 12:03 pm

+ 1 to the color post, really unique hue of orange for a table wine.
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#7 Post by Chris T. » May 12th, 2019, 4:50 pm

I still have two. Unsure if I should sell them or just drink them or trade them
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#8 Post by Dale McClaran » May 13th, 2019, 11:52 am

Chris T. wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 4:50 pm
I still have two. Unsure if I should sell them or just drink them or trade them
Have you tried it yet Chris? At the very least give one bottle a go, like it or not, this really worth your time given the unique make up of this puppy.
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#9 Post by Claus Jeppesen » May 13th, 2019, 12:13 pm

.I can’t think of the last time I have had so much anticipation of a rose
I can think of 2008.
But you are spot on in your post.
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#10 Post by Claus Jeppesen » May 13th, 2019, 12:16 pm

Chris T. wrote:
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I still have two. Unsure if I should sell them or just drink them or trade them
Is it that expensive?
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#11 Post by Vince T » May 13th, 2019, 2:28 pm

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 12:16 pm
Chris T. wrote:
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I still have two. Unsure if I should sell them or just drink them or trade them
Is it that expensive?
Both 2008 and 2009 have been selling at auction for $250-300 per.
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#12 Post by Mike Grammer » May 13th, 2019, 3:12 pm

I've *never* had the rose. Didn't even know. Great note and I will hope to have the experience sometime in the future.

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#13 Post by c fu » May 13th, 2019, 4:21 pm

Just got a bottle for $40. Pretty excited to try it. Wonder if I should let it age though?
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#14 Post by julianseersmartin » May 13th, 2019, 4:34 pm

c fu wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 4:21 pm
Just got a bottle for $40. Pretty excited to try it. Wonder if I should let it age though?
Yes, you should.

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#15 Post by EHeffner » May 13th, 2019, 5:17 pm

I want to try this one!
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#16 Post by Markus S » May 14th, 2019, 5:02 am

c fu wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 4:21 pm
Just got a bottle for $40. Pretty excited to try it. Wonder if I should let it age though?
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#17 Post by Ramon C » May 14th, 2019, 6:34 am

Anybody with thoughts on why this would be in the $250 range here.

I've tasted different vintages during a few visits at the winery and, while I think they are good wines, and I recall that they were selling them for mid Euro 30s. Irrational speculation?
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#18 Post by Jay Miller » May 14th, 2019, 6:48 am

Ramon C wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 6:34 am
Anybody with thoughts on why this would be in the $250 range here.

I've tasted different vintages during a few visits at the winery and, while I think they are good wines, and I recall that they were selling them for mid Euro 30s. Irrational speculation?
It's really weird. But LdH has attracted a lot more fans over the last decade (I remember when a prominent Spanish wine expert derided those few of us who were making a fuss about the wines as a cult) and they went 8 years without a release of the Rosado so all those people never had a chance to try it.

I was also looking forward to the new release but having tried multiple vintages from the '90s I had zero incentive to pay the prices being asked.
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#19 Post by Eric Egan » May 14th, 2019, 7:11 am

Ramon C wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 6:34 am
Anybody with thoughts on why this would be in the $250 range here.

I've tasted different vintages during a few visits at the winery and, while I think they are good wines, and I recall that they were selling them for mid Euro 30s. Irrational speculation?
Just down to demand I imagine - they don't make a lot of it. I think their entire production is something like 25.000 cases and the rosado (like the blanco gran reserva) is just a tiny fraction of that.

Ed: they make about 1000 cases of the Rosado, so comparable with a bunch of other so-called cult wines.
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#20 Post by Eric Egan » May 14th, 2019, 7:12 am

c fu wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 4:21 pm
Just got a bottle for $40. Pretty excited to try it. Wonder if I should let it age though?
It ages so slowly that unless you got a bunch of them you might as well drink it now. I've got a few cases and plan to drink a few bottles this summer, then forget about the rest til the 50s. They really do benefit from extended ageing but that's a long time to wait to give it a go;-)

Saying that, if you really like it you may of course have to pay a lot more for the next bottle(s) - I've just that the last few bottles on winebid sold for $387 and $369... Could just wait for the 2010 I guess.
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#21 Post by EHeffner » May 14th, 2019, 7:22 am

Price aside, how does this compare to Tempier? Apples to oranges?
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#22 Post by Scott Tallman » May 14th, 2019, 9:53 am

EHeffner wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 7:22 am
Price aside, how does this compare to Tempier? Apples to oranges?
And to Chateau Simone, which is also a bit of an odd (yet awesome) bird of a rosè.
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#23 Post by Markus S » May 14th, 2019, 10:17 am

EHeffner wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 7:22 am
Price aside, how does this compare to Tempier? Apples to oranges?
Pretty much. Tempier is fresher and doesn't have the same complexity LdH has (nor the oxidative notes). I would almost say the rosado is more akin to LdH's whites than to other roses.
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#24 Post by Eric Egan » May 14th, 2019, 11:19 am

Cracked and got another two cases of the 2008 at £39 a bottle. I really like the wine and am getting a bit uneasy about what's happening with the prices on the secondary market. Christ knows we've seen enough crazy price-hikes on wines that in the past would only have been sought out by a few oddballs like us. Fingers crossed for the 2010 appearing at £22, like the 2009 when first released...
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#25 Post by Jayson Cohen » May 14th, 2019, 11:44 am

Eric Egan wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 7:12 am
c fu wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 4:21 pm
Just got a bottle for $40. Pretty excited to try it. Wonder if I should let it age though?
It ages so slowly that unless you got a bunch of them you might as well drink it now. I've got a few cases and plan to drink a few bottles this summer, then forget about the rest til the 50s. They really do benefit from extended ageing but that's a long time to wait to give it a go;-)

Saying that, if you really like it you may of course have to pay a lot more for the next bottle(s) - I've just that the last few bottles on winebid sold for $387 and $369... Could just wait for the 2010 I guess.
IIRC, a good friend has been drinking 93 and 97 lately. I had 64 and 76 about 10-15 years ago. Delish. Current price aside, i agree it’s an age worthy wine - probably the most ageworthy Rose made.

IME it will substitute well at the table with anything one might eat with the Blanco. Like a seafood paella or grilled seafood with lemon.

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#26 Post by c fu » May 14th, 2019, 11:51 am

Jayson Cohen wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 11:44 am
Eric Egan wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 7:12 am
c fu wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 4:21 pm
Just got a bottle for $40. Pretty excited to try it. Wonder if I should let it age though?
It ages so slowly that unless you got a bunch of them you might as well drink it now. I've got a few cases and plan to drink a few bottles this summer, then forget about the rest til the 50s. They really do benefit from extended ageing but that's a long time to wait to give it a go;-)

Saying that, if you really like it you may of course have to pay a lot more for the next bottle(s) - I've just that the last few bottles on winebid sold for $387 and $369... Could just wait for the 2010 I guess.
IIRC, a good friend has been drinking 93 and 97 lately. I had 64 and 76 about 10-15 years ago. Delish. Current price aside, i agree it’s an age worthy wine - probably the most ageworthy Rose made.

IME it will substitute well at the table with anything one might eat with the Blanco. Like a seafood paella or grilled seafood with lemon.
i'm just going to misplace it somewhere and forget about it.... or drink it this sunday
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#27 Post by Jayson Cohen » May 14th, 2019, 11:58 am

c fu wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 11:51 am
Jayson Cohen wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 11:44 am
Eric Egan wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 7:12 am

It ages so slowly that unless you got a bunch of them you might as well drink it now. I've got a few cases and plan to drink a few bottles this summer, then forget about the rest til the 50s. They really do benefit from extended ageing but that's a long time to wait to give it a go;-)

Saying that, if you really like it you may of course have to pay a lot more for the next bottle(s) - I've just that the last few bottles on winebid sold for $387 and $369... Could just wait for the 2010 I guess.
IIRC, a good friend has been drinking 93 and 97 lately. I had 64 and 76 about 10-15 years ago. Delish. Current price aside, i agree it’s an age worthy wine - probably the most ageworthy Rose made.

IME it will substitute well at the table with anything one might eat with the Blanco. Like a seafood paella or grilled seafood with lemon.
i'm just going to misplace it somewhere and forget about it.... or drink it this sunday
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