2018 Bordeaux - What are you buying (and why)?

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Re: 2018 Bordeaux - What are you buying (and why)?

#51 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » May 12th, 2019, 5:19 am

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Whoa, 750ml bottles of 2018 Calon Segur at Total Wine are sold out.
Do you know why it's sold out? Did I miss a memo? 2018>2015 for Segur? I see 2015 for $85
I would guess it’s because of the Vinous review at 96-99 that called it one of the best wines of the vintage.
I don’t think a score of 96-99 puts you among the best wines of the vintage does it? I thought the new Bordeaux scoring system was 100 points very good wine, 96-99 pretty good wine, 90-95 average, under 90 flawed

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#52 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 12th, 2019, 5:20 am

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Caved in and bought some ‘18 Beychevelle in halves as I am loving the case of ‘66 just arrived from London few months ago, now I just need to wait for 30 years!
I’m really bad at math, but that might be 52 years. [wow.gif] I have a chance to make it, we have several recent family members break the century mark.

If I could turn back time on Bordeaux purchases, I’d buy 1/2 of my stuff in 375s, and I would have bought much more.

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Re: 2018 Bordeaux - What are you buying (and why)?

#53 Post by NoahR » May 12th, 2019, 5:30 am

Marcu$ Stanley wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 5:19 am
NoahR wrote:
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Do you know why it's sold out? Did I miss a memo? 2018>2015 for Segur? I see 2015 for $85
I would guess it’s because of the Vinous review at 96-99 that called it one of the best wines of the vintage.
I don’t think a score of 96-99 puts you among the best wines of the vintage does it? I thought the new Bordeaux scoring system was 100 points very good wine, 96-99 pretty good wine, 90-95 average, under 90 flawed
That’s only Suckling
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#54 Post by PCLIN » May 12th, 2019, 8:00 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 5:20 am
PCLIN wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 12:45 am
Caved in and bought some ‘18 Beychevelle in halves as I am loving the case of ‘66 just arrived from London few months ago, now I just need to wait for 30 years!
I’m really bad at math, but that might be 52 years. [wow.gif] I have a chance to make it, we have several recent family members break the century mark.

If I could turn back time on Bordeaux purchases, I’d buy 1/2 of my stuff in 375s, and I would have bought much more.

Nah...halves should cut the waiting time by 15 years....full bottle of Beychevelle normally would take 45 years to show up. [stirthepothal.gif]
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Re: 2018 Bordeaux - What are you buying (and why)?

#55 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » May 12th, 2019, 8:02 am

NoahR wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 5:30 am
Marcu$ Stanley wrote:
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NoahR wrote:
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I would guess it’s because of the Vinous review at 96-99 that called it one of the best wines of the vintage.
I don’t think a score of 96-99 puts you among the best wines of the vintage does it? I thought the new Bordeaux scoring system was 100 points very good wine, 96-99 pretty good wine, 90-95 average, under 90 flawed
That’s only Suckling
Naw, it’s pretty much all the big outlets now, at least when it comes to classed growths

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#56 Post by Dave Dohanic » May 12th, 2019, 8:38 am

Points restraint by the big three (WA, WS and Vin) plus the ever numbers friendly Suck has not been evident in Bordeaux for sometime now, and maybe it's due to a re-correlation of scoring approach due to the '09/10 successes and also to all of these pubs wanting to be the prime successor to the RMP points machine empire. But with '18 it's going to be interesting because of both the hugely reduced output in all of the Bordelaise houses and the fact that this one was like a super successful '14 in terms of both fruits and structure. All I can say is thank god for 17's miss or this one would currently be even more egregiously priced than was 2010 out of the gate. As for Calon, they might be the early winner thanks to a smart approach to selling the scarcity, but once the right bank in particular picks up on this approach I can't wait to see how much the vintage prices jump after the 2021 final roll-out has commenced.

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#57 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 12th, 2019, 11:24 am

That is the first time I have heard somebody compare 2018 to 2014. It sounds as though you attended primeur, could you expand on that please
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#58 Post by Adam Levyn » May 14th, 2019, 12:56 pm

What do folks think of the Palmer offering/pricing?

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#59 Post by crickey » May 14th, 2019, 2:50 pm

    Adam Levyn wrote:
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    What do folks think of the Palmer offering/pricing?
    I originally had it on my "must have" list, but at $340 (what I can buy it at; I saw it cheaper initially), when it came time to pull the trigger last night, I backed off. It's expensive, and I think it won't go up significantly before bottling, so I can wait a couple of years to see how I feel about it.

    There are others on a more select "must have" list I will probably buy (I did buy Calon Segur because I think the price will rise), but I think I may as a general matter wait for the wines to be bottled and re-evaluated before purchasing.
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    #60 Post by CraigT » May 14th, 2019, 3:08 pm

    I pulled the trigger on Palmer. I don’t think it will be around very long. It sold out in Bordeaux already and the chateau released higher percentage than normal.
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    #61 Post by Adam Levyn » May 14th, 2019, 4:44 pm

    Thanks crickey -

    Mind sharing your list of "must haves"? Just curious as I start to think about some options as 2018 is the birth year for my son.

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    #62 Post by C Chen » May 14th, 2019, 4:59 pm

    As a quick data point, K&L just had an auction for '78 Palmer end at ~$200. $335 Palmer doesn't really fit the bill for me. Would rather put that money towards something more prestigious.
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    #63 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 14th, 2019, 5:09 pm

    Jeff Cassetta wrote:
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    None, nope, nada...just took delivery of my last 6 btls of 2015...still haven't bought a 2016...I am strong...I am strong...I am strong...
    I've been saying this year after year...yet I keep buying
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    #64 Post by crickey » May 15th, 2019, 6:10 am

    Adam Levyn wrote:
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    Thanks crickey -

    Mind sharing your list of "must haves"? Just curious as I start to think about some options as 2018 is the birth year for my son.
    See this list https://www.liv-ex.com/2019/05/latour-2 ... e-vintage/ : more or less this is my "must have" list. For cost reasons, I won't buy many of those, so no Latour, Petrus, Ausone, etc., but if you are doing it for a special reason, buy something special. Will this be the year I actually buy Cheval Blanc? I think about it every year and pass every year.
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    #65 Post by Jim Hartten » May 15th, 2019, 1:18 pm

    Adam, based on the experts, there are some great candidates to add from 2018 Bordeaux. Calon Segur 2018 is essentially first growth quality at about $109. Several tasting reports provided on the WB 2018 Bordeaux thread by Panos, Jeff Levy, and some Suckling scores posted as well. FarrVintners.com also has tasting notes for the wines they are buying and selling. [stirthepothal.gif]

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    #66 Post by Ian A » May 15th, 2019, 1:42 pm

    As a veteran of the EP circuit I follow this with interest with little intention of buying for my own consumption, though if I was the 14.9% ABV Calon Segur would give me pause and automatically relegate down any list of contenders, glamorous hosts notwithstanding.

    Like Mark G the best excuse for buying is for investment, and as my German friend Rainer says, to plant a tree for future generations. And afterall, the average life of a fiat money regime is less than 30 years, another reason to indulge in the thrill of the chase.
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    #67 Post by Josh Grossman » May 15th, 2019, 3:57 pm

    So far just Sociando-Mallet but will probably will give Chateau Marquis d’Alesme a try for only $40ish dollars.

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    #68 Post by J Sullivan » May 16th, 2019, 11:52 pm

    Got married last year, so I’m in. Have only managed to pull the trigger so far on Calon Ségur...6x 750’s and 1x magnum. Will be looking for others to stash away.
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    #69 Post by Dinesh Goyal » May 17th, 2019, 12:36 am

    Birth year for the twins and hence buying wines that I normally don’t

    1. Cheval Blanc
    2. LLC
    3. VCC
    4. Ducru (maybe)

    May also get Pichon Lalande, Haut Bailly and leoville Poyferre, but unsure at the moment. Not buying Avalon Segur because I bought 12 in 2016.

    Had my name on the allocation list for Lafleur but didn’t get it. They had 2x the demand vs supply.

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    #70 Post by Glen Gold » May 22nd, 2019, 9:58 am

    It's been interesting watching the releases trickle out and liv-ex needing to find new, polite ways of saying, "readers at all intersted in this Chateau will find 37 other vintages of it at better prices."

    https://www.liv-ex.com/category/release ... eaux-2018/
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    #71 Post by YLee » May 23rd, 2019, 12:13 pm

    I was waiting on Chevalier. Came out in the $70s.
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