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#51 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » May 12th, 2019, 5:19 am

NoahR wrote:
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Whoa, 750ml bottles of 2018 Calon Segur at Total Wine are sold out.
Do you know why it's sold out? Did I miss a memo? 2018>2015 for Segur? I see 2015 for $85
I would guess it’s because of the Vinous review at 96-99 that called it one of the best wines of the vintage.
I don’t think a score of 96-99 puts you among the best wines of the vintage does it? I thought the new Bordeaux scoring system was 100 points very good wine, 96-99 pretty good wine, 90-95 average, under 90 flawed

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#52 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 12th, 2019, 5:20 am

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Caved in and bought some ‘18 Beychevelle in halves as I am loving the case of ‘66 just arrived from London few months ago, now I just need to wait for 30 years!
I’m really bad at math, but that might be 52 years. [wow.gif] I have a chance to make it, we have several recent family members break the century mark.

If I could turn back time on Bordeaux purchases, I’d buy 1/2 of my stuff in 375s, and I would have bought much more.

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#53 Post by NoahR » May 12th, 2019, 5:30 am

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Do you know why it's sold out? Did I miss a memo? 2018>2015 for Segur? I see 2015 for $85
I would guess it’s because of the Vinous review at 96-99 that called it one of the best wines of the vintage.
I don’t think a score of 96-99 puts you among the best wines of the vintage does it? I thought the new Bordeaux scoring system was 100 points very good wine, 96-99 pretty good wine, 90-95 average, under 90 flawed
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#54 Post by PCLIN » May 12th, 2019, 8:00 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 5:20 am
PCLIN wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 12:45 am
Caved in and bought some ‘18 Beychevelle in halves as I am loving the case of ‘66 just arrived from London few months ago, now I just need to wait for 30 years!
I’m really bad at math, but that might be 52 years. [wow.gif] I have a chance to make it, we have several recent family members break the century mark.

If I could turn back time on Bordeaux purchases, I’d buy 1/2 of my stuff in 375s, and I would have bought much more.

Nah...halves should cut the waiting time by 15 years....full bottle of Beychevelle normally would take 45 years to show up. [stirthepothal.gif]
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#55 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » May 12th, 2019, 8:02 am

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I would guess it’s because of the Vinous review at 96-99 that called it one of the best wines of the vintage.
I don’t think a score of 96-99 puts you among the best wines of the vintage does it? I thought the new Bordeaux scoring system was 100 points very good wine, 96-99 pretty good wine, 90-95 average, under 90 flawed
That’s only Suckling
Naw, it’s pretty much all the big outlets now, at least when it comes to classed growths

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#56 Post by Dave Dohanic » May 12th, 2019, 8:38 am

Points restraint by the big three (WA, WS and Vin) plus the ever numbers friendly Suck has not been evident in Bordeaux for sometime now, and maybe it's due to a re-correlation of scoring approach due to the '09/10 successes and also to all of these pubs wanting to be the prime successor to the RMP points machine empire. But with '18 it's going to be interesting because of both the hugely reduced output in all of the Bordelaise houses and the fact that this one was like a super successful '14 in terms of both fruits and structure. All I can say is thank god for 17's miss or this one would currently be even more egregiously priced than was 2010 out of the gate. As for Calon, they might be the early winner thanks to a smart approach to selling the scarcity, but once the right bank in particular picks up on this approach I can't wait to see how much the vintage prices jump after the 2021 final roll-out has commenced.

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#57 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 12th, 2019, 11:24 am

That is the first time I have heard somebody compare 2018 to 2014. It sounds as though you attended primeur, could you expand on that please
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#58 Post by Adam Levyn » May 14th, 2019, 12:56 pm

What do folks think of the Palmer offering/pricing?

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#59 Post by crickey » May 14th, 2019, 2:50 pm

    Adam Levyn wrote:
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    What do folks think of the Palmer offering/pricing?
    I originally had it on my "must have" list, but at $340 (what I can buy it at; I saw it cheaper initially), when it came time to pull the trigger last night, I backed off. It's expensive, and I think it won't go up significantly before bottling, so I can wait a couple of years to see how I feel about it.

    There are others on a more select "must have" list I will probably buy (I did buy Calon Segur because I think the price will rise), but I think I may as a general matter wait for the wines to be bottled and re-evaluated before purchasing.
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    #60 Post by CraigT » May 14th, 2019, 3:08 pm

    I pulled the trigger on Palmer. I don’t think it will be around very long. It sold out in Bordeaux already and the chateau released higher percentage than normal.
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    #61 Post by Adam Levyn » May 14th, 2019, 4:44 pm

    Thanks crickey -

    Mind sharing your list of "must haves"? Just curious as I start to think about some options as 2018 is the birth year for my son.

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    #62 Post by C Chen » May 14th, 2019, 4:59 pm

    As a quick data point, K&L just had an auction for '78 Palmer end at ~$200. $335 Palmer doesn't really fit the bill for me. Would rather put that money towards something more prestigious.
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    #63 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 14th, 2019, 5:09 pm

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    #64 Post by crickey » May 15th, 2019, 6:10 am

    Adam Levyn wrote:
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    Thanks crickey -

    Mind sharing your list of "must haves"? Just curious as I start to think about some options as 2018 is the birth year for my son.
    See this list https://www.liv-ex.com/2019/05/latour-2 ... e-vintage/ : more or less this is my "must have" list. For cost reasons, I won't buy many of those, so no Latour, Petrus, Ausone, etc., but if you are doing it for a special reason, buy something special. Will this be the year I actually buy Cheval Blanc? I think about it every year and pass every year.
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    #65 Post by Jim Hartten » May 15th, 2019, 1:18 pm

    Adam, based on the experts, there are some great candidates to add from 2018 Bordeaux. Calon Segur 2018 is essentially first growth quality at about $109. Several tasting reports provided on the WB 2018 Bordeaux thread by Panos, Jeff Levy, and some Suckling scores posted as well. FarrVintners.com also has tasting notes for the wines they are buying and selling. [stirthepothal.gif]

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    #66 Post by Ian A » May 15th, 2019, 1:42 pm

    As a veteran of the EP circuit I follow this with interest with little intention of buying for my own consumption, though if I was the 14.9% ABV Calon Segur would give me pause and automatically relegate down any list of contenders, glamorous hosts notwithstanding.

    Like Mark G the best excuse for buying is for investment, and as my German friend Rainer says, to plant a tree for future generations. And afterall, the average life of a fiat money regime is less than 30 years, another reason to indulge in the thrill of the chase.
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    #67 Post by Josh Grossman » May 15th, 2019, 3:57 pm

    So far just Sociando-Mallet but will probably will give Chateau Marquis d’Alesme a try for only $40ish dollars.

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    #68 Post by J Sullivan » May 16th, 2019, 11:52 pm

    Got married last year, so I’m in. Have only managed to pull the trigger so far on Calon Ségur...6x 750’s and 1x magnum. Will be looking for others to stash away.
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    #69 Post by Dinesh Goyal » May 17th, 2019, 12:36 am

    Birth year for the twins and hence buying wines that I normally don’t

    1. Cheval Blanc
    2. LLC
    3. VCC
    4. Ducru (maybe)

    May also get Pichon Lalande, Haut Bailly and leoville Poyferre, but unsure at the moment. Not buying Avalon Segur because I bought 12 in 2016.

    Had my name on the allocation list for Lafleur but didn’t get it. They had 2x the demand vs supply.

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    #70 Post by Glen Gold » May 22nd, 2019, 9:58 am

    It's been interesting watching the releases trickle out and liv-ex needing to find new, polite ways of saying, "readers at all intersted in this Chateau will find 37 other vintages of it at better prices."

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    #71 Post by YLee » May 23rd, 2019, 12:13 pm

    I was waiting on Chevalier. Came out in the $70s.
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    #72 Post by Dinesh Goyal » May 24th, 2019, 3:09 am

    Was waiting for Rauzan Segla.

    Pricing in the UK is £900/12 but not available, unless you buy ridiculous amount of 2017 as well. I guess they are just artificially constraining the supply.

    US price seems to be almost 40% too high.

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    #73 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 24th, 2019, 3:47 am

    Dinesh Goyal wrote:
    May 24th, 2019, 3:09 am
    Was waiting for Rauzan Segla.

    Pricing in the UK is £900/12 but not available, unless you buy ridiculous amount of 2017 as well. I guess they are just artificially constraining the supply.

    US price seems to be almost 40% too high.
    From everything I have read, there is nothing MUST BUY about he vintage, and when you are required to buy wines you do not want, my reaction is to explain why and walk away.
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    #74 Post by Jim Hartten » May 24th, 2019, 7:54 am

    Looks like now is the time to buy if you want to secure bottles of the highly rated wines that have released to date. Calon Segur is sold out in some places and the price will likely jump going forward. Domaine de Chevalier is now out at about $75. Rauzan Segla out at about $100 and sold out at Flickingers; Beychevelle; Pontet Canet just out today; Pape Clement available at reasonable prices; Canon out at round $110. As a bottom fisher, I have locked in the following all in 375s [wow.gif] [cheers.gif]

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    #75 Post by Neal.Mollen » May 24th, 2019, 8:48 am

    Jim Hartten wrote:
    May 24th, 2019, 7:54 am
    Looks like now is the time to buy if you want to secure bottles of the highly rated wines that have released to date. Calon Segur is sold out in some places and the price will likely jump going forward. Domaine de Chevalier is now out at about $75. Rauzan Segla out at about $100 and sold out at Flickingers; Beychevelle; Pontet Canet just out today; Pape Clement available at reasonable prices; Canon out at round $110. As a bottom fisher, I have locked in the following all in 375s [wow.gif] [cheers.gif]

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    where are you buying 375s?
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    #76 Post by Jim Hartten » May 24th, 2019, 10:45 am

    Millesima (NYC) offers 375s for many of the 2018 Bordeaux. 375 of Domaine de Chevalier 2018 is $36.98.

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    #77 Post by C Chen » May 24th, 2019, 12:05 pm

    Neal.Mollen wrote:
    May 24th, 2019, 8:48 am
    Jim Hartten wrote:
    May 24th, 2019, 7:54 am
    Looks like now is the time to buy if you want to secure bottles of the highly rated wines that have released to date. Calon Segur is sold out in some places and the price will likely jump going forward. Domaine de Chevalier is now out at about $75. Rauzan Segla out at about $100 and sold out at Flickingers; Beychevelle; Pontet Canet just out today; Pape Clement available at reasonable prices; Canon out at round $110. As a bottom fisher, I have locked in the following all in 375s [wow.gif] [cheers.gif]

    Poujeaux (12)
    Siran (12)
    Labegorce (12)
    Capburn (12)
    Meyney (9)
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    Domaine de Chevalier (3)
    where are you buying 375s?
    Actually Neal, where do you backfill on 375s? I like Alfert's and your approach with half bottles.
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    #78 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 24th, 2019, 12:14 pm

    And I like Golodetz’s strategy of magnums, lol!!

    Kiddin aside, if I could, I would convert 1/2 of my collection to 375. Prospectively I would buy everything in that size for my own consumption, and wine for guests and parties, in larger formats.

    Nicely done Mr. Chen!

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    #79 Post by Tom Reddick » May 24th, 2019, 10:34 pm

    Todd F r e n c h wrote:
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    None, nope, nada...just took delivery of my last 6 btls of 2015...still haven't bought a 2016...I am strong...I am strong...I am strong...
    I've been saying this year after year...yet I keep buying
    Yea- I declared here I was done not long ago, and while I will say I am cutting back big on new vintages- I too will stop pretending I am finished.

    I ended up going rather deep on 2016, but I am also doing a little 2018 because my cellar is very heavy with wines like Magdelaine and vintages like 2008- so I would like to have some things on the slutty side as well for the long term. Even in my house, there is a time and place for very decadent wines.

    That said- as someone noted above with regards to Palmer- at the upper end the pricing is a bit high for me given the comparables on older vintages. And so for 2018 I am sticking with Leoville Barton and Montrose for sure- and maybe a little Mouton or Lafleur depending on availability and also on subsequent tasting notes as these get into bottle. The higher alcohol levels after the wonderful moderation in 14 and 16 are my primary worry- and while I did lock in Barton and will do so for Montrose up front- I am prepared to wait a bit at the upper end and pay a bit more when and if I feel more secure about how the wines are developing in their early days.
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    #80 Post by BenW » May 25th, 2019, 4:29 am

    Does anyone else buy from Total Wine? Seems like they’ve decided to not offer 375s on the last few offers (I got Calon Segur and Pavie Macquin but since then I’ve only seen larger formats).

    IIRC they had basically everything in 375 in ‘16 and nothing but the sweets in 375 in ‘17.
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    #81 Post by Vince T » May 25th, 2019, 5:00 am

    Yeah, they’re offering far fewer things in 375. I picked up some branaire-ducru but everything I else was only available in 750.
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    #82 Post by Glen Gold » May 25th, 2019, 10:03 am

    I noticed that when the Rauzan Segla came out, only Millesima had it for a few days. Still looks like verrrry limited allocations but a couple of places have it this morning at the release price. Don't see 375s though.
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    #83 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 25th, 2019, 10:47 am

    BenW wrote:
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    Does anyone else buy from Total Wine? Seems like they’ve decided to not offer 375s on the last few offers (I got Calon Segur and Pavie Macquin but since then I’ve only seen larger formats).

    IIRC they had basically everything in 375 in ‘16 and nothing but the sweets in 375 in ‘17.
    And my 2016 375s are not in yet while the 750s are.

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    #84 Post by Neal.Mollen » May 25th, 2019, 12:08 pm

    Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
    May 25th, 2019, 10:47 am
    BenW wrote:
    May 25th, 2019, 4:29 am
    Does anyone else buy from Total Wine? Seems like they’ve decided to not offer 375s on the last few offers (I got Calon Segur and Pavie Macquin but since then I’ve only seen larger formats).

    IIRC they had basically everything in 375 in ‘16 and nothing but the sweets in 375 in ‘17.
    And my 2016 375s are not in yet while the 750s are.
    I think I posted that I got my "we charged your card for the 2d 50%" email last week, which means that my local store should have my wine very soon. All 375s.

    They have offered far fewer .375s this vintage but I suspect if you called/emailed them they could arrange it.
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    #85 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 25th, 2019, 12:58 pm

    Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
    May 25th, 2019, 10:47 am
    BenW wrote:
    May 25th, 2019, 4:29 am
    Does anyone else buy from Total Wine? Seems like they’ve decided to not offer 375s on the last few offers (I got Calon Segur and Pavie Macquin but since then I’ve only seen larger formats).

    IIRC they had basically everything in 375 in ‘16 and nothing but the sweets in 375 in ‘17.
    And my 2016 375s are not in yet while the 750s are.
    Still waiting on 2015 canon in bottle
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    #86 Post by K. R. Baker » May 25th, 2019, 2:55 pm

    x4 Calon Segur because of this thread :)
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    #87 Post by Glen Gold » May 25th, 2019, 3:51 pm

    Mark Golodetz wrote:
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    Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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    BenW wrote:
    May 25th, 2019, 4:29 am
    Does anyone else buy from Total Wine? Seems like they’ve decided to not offer 375s on the last few offers (I got Calon Segur and Pavie Macquin but since then I’ve only seen larger formats).

    IIRC they had basically everything in 375 in ‘16 and nothing but the sweets in 375 in ‘17.
    And my 2016 375s are not in yet while the 750s are.
    Still waiting on 2015 canon in bottle
    Got my bottles but two mags still in the pipeline here.
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    #88 Post by Ilkka Vainio » May 25th, 2019, 11:43 pm

    Bought so far:

    Léoville Barton
    Malescot
    Domaine de Chevalier
    Lagrange
    Cabanne
    Beau-Séjour Becot
    Tour St Christophe

    I will probably still go for Lynch Bages, Feytit Clinet and Troplong Mondot. I buy a lot of special sizes. En Primeur is the best way for me to do it.

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    #89 Post by dvansteenderen » May 26th, 2019, 12:23 am

    So far:

    Beychevelle
    Calon Ségur
    Carbonnieux Blanc
    Les Carmes Haut-Brion
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    Re: 2018 Bordeaux - What are you buying (and why)?

    #90 Post by Russell Faulkner » May 26th, 2019, 12:31 am

    Asked for 3 Lafleur and didn't get them. Nothing else.

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    #91 Post by Jayson Cohen » May 26th, 2019, 6:58 am

    This thread makes 2018 EP so tempting, but no....

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    #92 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 26th, 2019, 7:02 am

    Jayson Cohen wrote:
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    This thread makes 2018 EP so tempting, but no....
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    Re: 2018 Bordeaux - What are you buying (and why)?

    #93 Post by Justin Wittkopf » May 26th, 2019, 7:48 am

    Mr. Leve,

    A local retailer pointed out a 2018 Pomerol that I see you reviewed - Chateau Guillot-Clauzel . Both you and Galloni gave it a similar review. I’m intrigued by the involvement of Guillaume of VCC with the 2018. But I’m also a bit hesitant given that AG’s note referenced hoping for more complexity in future vintages.

    I read your tasting note. Anything more thoughts on this wine? It’s being offered at $72 on future and to me that might be too high for a “daily drinker” Bordeaux for me, when there are others at that price point and lower that seem to be better wines.

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    #94 Post by Jeff Leve » May 26th, 2019, 8:54 am

    Justin Wittkopf wrote:
    May 26th, 2019, 7:48 am
    Mr. Leve,

    A local retailer pointed out a 2018 Pomerol that I see you reviewed - Chateau Guillot-Clauzel . Both you and Galloni gave it a similar review. I’m intrigued by the involvement of Guillaume of VCC with the 2018. But I’m also a bit hesitant given that AG’s note referenced hoping for more complexity in future vintages.

    I read your tasting note. Anything more thoughts on this wine? It’s being offered at $72 on future and to me that might be too high for a “daily drinker” Bordeaux for me, when there are others at that price point and lower that seem to be better wines.
    Justin, Mr. Leve is my dad!

    My guess on AG’s comment is the wine is going to get better as they gain experience with the vineyard. visited the vineyard and half the terroir is very good. That’s fine because as of 2018, the lesser terroir is being placed in their second wine.

    $72 seems a bit ambitious IMO. What does Clinet 2018 sell for? Or Feytif Clinet? 18 Le Gay is not out yet, but it’s very good, though I suspect it’s going to be slightly more than $100.

    You can also look for Latour Pomerol 2018. The best value in Pomerol this year is Montviel.

    I hope this helps....

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    #95 Post by Jeff Leve » May 26th, 2019, 9:18 am

    Greetings from Barcelona! Why can’t we make tapas like this in the USA? Or at least Los Angeles?

    General comments to this thread.

    If you are purchasing equivalent of a case of wine, 12 full bottles, you’re buying 9 liters. You should be able order your wine in 375, of any format should you wish.

    I’m amazed that all anyone looks at is price. What happened to considering quality and style?

    Yes, price is a factor, but there are wines in 2018 that are much better than previous vintages, for example the just released Domaine de Chevalier. 2018 rouge is better than every other previous vintage. It should be more money.

    That’s not the case with all wines, but there are several examples in 2018 that warrant the price increase IMO.

    2018 Palmer is pricey, but it’s a potential successor to the 1961! To the poster that cited 78 Palmer being $200. As I know both vintages, honestly, it’s a silly comparison. Just because it’s old does not make it better. And at least in my view, not Alfrets😁, 99% of all 70’s Bordeaux sucks.

    2018 Palmer is a future, potential legend!

    To Mark G... No idea who you are reading. But the comment about there being “No Must Have 2018 Bordeaux” is IMO, uninformed!

    Having tasted and posted on the best 600 wines of the vintage, at least in my eyes, or should I say palate, there are several wines to buy, at various price levels that warrant purchasing.

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    #96 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 26th, 2019, 9:22 am

    Jeff’s comment on 375s echoes my plan. I am running low on halves, so will be buying something (perhaps Branaire Ducru) in that format.
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    #97 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » May 26th, 2019, 9:35 am

    Jeff Leve wrote:
    May 26th, 2019, 9:18 am

    To Mark G... No idea who you are reading. But the comment about there being “No Must Have 2018 Bordeaux” is IMO, uninformed!

    Having tasted and posted on the best 600 wines of the vintage, at least in my eyes, or should I say palate, there are several wines to buy, at various price levels that warrant purchasing.
    I am here to tell everyone, as an informed and experienced Bordeaux purchaser, that there are no "must have" 2018 Bordeaux. None. There is no scarcity of great Bordeaux out there from many other recent vintages, and if you someday decide you want a 2018 Bordeaux at the peak of maturity I guarantee you will easily be able to buy it in 15 or 20 years. There is no need to "secure" a wine today, your access to 2018 Bordeaux will not be insecure in future years. The intensity of hype you hear for the latest vintage is a direct product of the need to flog en primeur sales for the one great wine region in the world where scarcity is never a problem. 2018 is a hot-weather vintage that will not be to everyone's taste, it might be a good idea to try some before you buy.

    You may now return to your regularly scheduled hype-fest.

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    Re: 2018 Bordeaux - What are you buying (and why)?

    #98 Post by Alan Newman » May 26th, 2019, 9:36 am

    Jeff Leve wrote:
    May 26th, 2019, 9:18 am
    Having tasted and posted on the best 600 wines of the vintage, at least in my eyes, or should I say palate, there are several wines to buy, at various price levels that warrant purchasing.
    Jeff- would greatly appreciate your list of values in 2018!

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    #99 Post by Jeff Leve » May 26th, 2019, 9:41 am

    Marcu$ Stanley wrote:
    May 26th, 2019, 9:35 am
    Jeff Leve wrote:
    May 26th, 2019, 9:18 am

    To Mark G... No idea who you are reading. But the comment about there being “No Must Have 2018 Bordeaux” is IMO, uninformed!

    Having tasted and posted on the best 600 wines of the vintage, at least in my eyes, or should I say palate, there are several wines to buy, at various price levels that warrant purchasing.
    I am here to tell everyone, as an informed and experienced Bordeaux purchaser, that there are no "must have" 2018 Bordeaux. None.
    I will take having actually tasted the wines any day over having bought previous vintages. But that’s just me.

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    #100 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 26th, 2019, 9:41 am

    Actually, there are no “must have” wines from anywhere. Nobody will suffer if they fail to acquire any specific wine, or really any wine at all.
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