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TN: An unimportant tasting of 2016 Bordeaux

#1 Post by John Morris » May 8th, 2019, 12:32 pm

My monthly blind tasting group sampled 2016 Bordeaux last night. The wines ranged from a cru bourgeois (Poujeaux) to a second growth (Leoville Barton). There were six Medocs, including four St. Juliens, plus a Pessac-Leognan and a Pomerol.

Overall impressions:
  • The wines shared the fresh quality I’ve consistently found in ’16 reds across France and Northern Italy (Burgundy, Beaujolais the Northern and Southern Rhone, Piedmont and Tuscany): bright fruit (fully ripe but definitely not overripe), concentration, with ample tannins and acidity. I'm loving this vintage!
  • These were pretty tight, not showing a lot of fruit, and the tannins and acid were conspicuous, but nonetheless they seemed balanced because they had such concentration. Their backwardness and tightness reminded me of the young Bordeauxs I tasted in the late 80s and early 90s.
  • These were a hit with the group, even those members who often prefer more approachable wines, and even with one person who tends to dismiss Bordeaux. I would guess that my scores will rise when I retaste the leftovers tonight.
These were decanted into pouring bottles about an hour ahead, and then resampled (topped up) after we’d been tasting them for an hour or hour and a half. I repoured myself a bit after everyone had left, four hours after they’d been opened. They definitely improved with air (no surprise there) and on repouring.

The wines were served double blind; we just knew they were ’16 Bordeaux, but not what the properties or appellations were, as we usually do.

All wines from Zachy’s.

Ranked in my order of preference:

Ch. Petit- Village (Pomerol), $80: Quite tight and ungiving on the nose, even with some time in the glass. Very tight in the mouth at first, but beautifully balanced. With air, this became one of the more approachable wines on the palate. (It’s 75% merlot and 18% cab franc.) Finish: Long and very concentrated, with perfect balance. Although this was the only Right Bank wine, it wasn’t an outlier. 92 points (group’s 2nd/3rd tie)

Ch. Leoville-Barton (St. Julien, 2nd growth), $94: Rich, deep, concentrated blackberry/black currant and oak on the nose – outstanding. This was one of the few where I could peg individual flavors at this stage. This had 2016 written all over it -- a lushness, but with a backbone of tannin and acid that made the wine (and me) sit up straight. Oak in abundance at this stage, carrying through to the finish. Oak really came to the fore at the back as it sat out. But everything seems in place for a wonderful, slow evolution. I found this tightened up a bit when I resampled it 3 hours after opening. 91+ points (group’s 1st place)

Ch. Branaire-Ducru (St. Julien, 4th growth), $65: Lovely sweet, crème brulee nose (oak). Tight and tannic, but with such great balance and concentration. Very classic. Tasting it after everyone had left, I’d raise the score a bit. It really came together. 90+ points (group’s 4th)

Ch. Duhart-Millon (Paulliac, 4th growth), $95: Dark chocolate and a trace of black rubber on the nose. Later some eucalyptus showed up. Hard tannins (I guessed St. Estephe.) “Classic but a little less charming,” I wrote. This is old-style Pauillac/St. Estephe type wine, for sure. Will this turn into something more pleasing? I'm not 100% confident. 90- points (group’s 5th/6th place tie)

Ch. Poujeaux (Moulis en Medoc, cru bourgeois), $40: Nice nose with oak and black fruit, and a trace of red currant, as well. Both rich and tannic, with great fruit showing – more than most. Slight green hint suggested cabernet franc, but that’s only 5%; it’s 50% cabernet sauvignon. Very pleasing and a good value (as Bordeaux goes). 89 points (group’s 7th place)

Ch. Lagrange (St. Julien, 3rd growth), $60: Shows little on the nose. “Tough but seemingly balanced,” with a long, tannic finish. Sort of opaque at the moment – difficult to assess. I gave it 87 points during the main tasting, but bumped that up to 90 on retasting at the end of the evening. (Group’s 5th/6th place tie)

Ch. Larrivet Haut Brion (Pessac Leognan), $40: An outlier from the first sniff, which yielded a sort of cherry soda nose. In the mouth, this was markedly less concentrated and tarter. Still, it’s quite pleasant now, and certainly more approachable than the rest. The cherry/candy nose put me off, though. (It’s 55% merlot.) I’d say 85+ points (group’s 2nd/3rd place tie)

Ch. St. Pierre (St. Julien), $65: Something was off here. Three other people thought it was corked. I didn’t pick up classic TCA wet cardboard, but got something like damp, rotting wood. Little fruit showing, tannic, with less concentration. The group’s and my last-place wine. A score wouldn’t be meaningful. (Group's and my 8th place, though one person ranked it second and one sixth. Go figure.)
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Re: TN: An unimportant tasting of 2016 Bordeaux

#2 Post by Anton D » May 8th, 2019, 12:36 pm

What a wonderful tour!

They all sound like they will be right up my alley.

Thank you for that great review!
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#3 Post by Keith A k e r s » May 8th, 2019, 12:50 pm

John Morris wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 12:32 pm


Overall impressions:
  • The wines shared the fresh quality I’ve consistently found in ’16 reds across France and Northern Italy (Burgundy, Beaujolais the Northern and Southern Rhone, Piedmont and Tuscany): bright fruit (fully ripe but definitely not overripe), concentration, with ample tannins and acidity. I'm loving this vintage!

These were my impressions as well from UGC back in January. Needless to say, I've dug what I've tried so far and it may be time to get back into buying Bordeaux to lay down again

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#4 Post by John Morris » May 8th, 2019, 3:01 pm

My actuarial calculations are fighting my taste buds over these wines.
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#5 Post by Ramon C » May 8th, 2019, 3:19 pm

Sounds fun. We used to do Bordeaux at release tastings that became the bases for my purchases, but we stopped when Matt R left NYC late last decade. 2016's looks like my kind of Bordeaux that may urge me to buy and store a few.
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#6 Post by Howard Cooper » May 8th, 2019, 4:24 pm

I only read about important tastings and not unimportant tastings. Did it at least use Callaway's jailbreak technology? https://cmp.callawaygolf.com/jailbreak/ I did not realize until recently that this was important in winetasting events.

More seriously, I have only tasted one 2016 Bordeaux so far (a wonderful Pichon Lalande) and am interested based on that wine to try more examples. Thanks for the notes.
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#7 Post by Arv R » May 8th, 2019, 4:44 pm

Ramon C wrote:
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Sounds fun. We used to do Bordeaux at release tastings that became the bases for my purchases, but we stopped when Matt R left NYC late last decade. 2016's looks like my kind of Bordeaux that may urge me to buy and store a few.
Those were great times indeed!

2016 looks like a good year, but I feel like the wines won't really be that additive to my holdings, and space/storage is an issue.
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#8 Post by GregT » May 8th, 2019, 7:34 pm

John - coming from you it can't help but reek of importance.

But I'm a little surprised by the notes - no cast iron pan? Surely there must have been some abundance of nuance there?

Good tasting though.
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#9 Post by David_K » May 8th, 2019, 7:50 pm

Agree they are showing well right now. What struck me at the big tasting I went to a couple months' back is the overall consistency up and down the hierarchy. While I think the best '15s probably are on a par with the best '16s, '16 seems more consistent across the board.
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#10 Post by James Billy » May 8th, 2019, 11:59 pm

Great notes. Thanks.

Sounds like 2010. How would you rate these 2 vintages against each other.

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#11 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 9th, 2019, 4:31 am

Thanks for the notes, especially on Barton and Branaire, two of my favorites.

It is interesting to note how much slack is given to Bordeaux while being slathered in new oak.
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#12 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 9th, 2019, 4:41 am

GregT wrote:
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John - coming from you it can't help but reek of importance.

But I'm a little surprised by the notes - no cast iron pan? Surely there must have been some abundance of nuance there?

Good tasting though.
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#13 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 9th, 2019, 4:53 am

Having tasted a few 2016s, I have gone back and bought heavily. Of all the recent vintages, dating back to 2009, and including by my count, at least four vintages of the century, I find that it is my favorite, and by some margin. This was even before opening the breathtaking 2016 Mouton, certainly the finest young wine I have had in years.

So after a week of reflection, I went out and bought six more cases of 2016s, including three and a half cases of Mouton, blowing most of my budget for this year. I will probably not be around for the thirty years they will take to fully mature, but I have no doubt that my progeny and his progeny will have some of the greatest and most compelling wines Bordeaux has ever made.
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#14 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 9th, 2019, 4:58 am

Pretty bold statement there, Mark! Sounds tempting. Mind if I ask your age? I will likely pick up a smattering of wines that I know I enjoy even at mid-life, but I’m not going for wines that take 20-25+ to hit peak window. Perhaps at 75, when I’m still cycling, traveling and living a healthy life - God willing - I will either regret, or just backfill. We have certainly had a wealth of solid vintages since 2000.

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#15 Post by Howard Cooper » May 9th, 2019, 5:23 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 4:53 am
Having tasted a few 2016s, I have gone back and bought heavily. Of all the recent vintages, dating back to 2009, and including by my count, at least four vintages of the century, I find that it is my favorite, and by some margin. This was even before opening the breathtaking 2016 Mouton, certainly the finest young wine I have had in years.

So after a week of reflection, I went out and bought six more cases of 2016s, including three and a half cases of Mouton, blowing most of my budget for this year. I will probably not be around for the thirty years they will take to fully mature, but I have no doubt that my progeny and his progeny will have some of the greatest and most compelling wines Bordeaux has ever made.
Mark, what 2016s have you been buying.
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#16 Post by Neal.Mollen » May 9th, 2019, 5:48 am

has anyone had the 2016 GPL?
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#17 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 9th, 2019, 5:51 am

I am deep into my middle age.
I bought recently the Mouton as well as VCC, Ducru and Figeac, all of which I had purchased before, just adding to the numbers. I had also some small amounts of Canon, Montrose and Beychevelle. More deep than broad.
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#18 Post by Neal.Mollen » May 9th, 2019, 5:55 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
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#19 Post by Howard Cooper » May 9th, 2019, 6:42 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 5:51 am
I am deep into my middle age.
I bought recently the Mouton as well as VCC, Ducru and Figeac, all of which I had purchased before, just adding to the numbers. I had also some small amounts of Canon, Montrose and Beychevelle. More deep than broad.
Excellent wineries all but are any of them wines one can drink on the younger side.
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#20 Post by John Morris » May 9th, 2019, 6:47 am

James Billy wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:59 pm
Great notes. Thanks.

Sounds like 2010. How would you rate these 2 vintages against each other.
I didn't have enough 2010s to have a real basis for comparison. My own sense is that the fruit profile is a bit different in the '16s, and the acid may be a bit more conspicuous relative to the tannins. It's striking to me how '16s have a signature fruit and structural profile -- I might call it crispness or freshness for lack of better terms -- all the way from the Gironde to the Rhone and the Tanaro, and maybe to central Tuscany.

I would be interested to hear what Mark G and others would say about '10 versus '16 in Bordeaux.
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#21 Post by Craig G » May 9th, 2019, 6:52 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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#22 Post by John Morris » May 9th, 2019, 6:56 am

Craig G wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:52 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
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Mark Golodetz wrote:
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In Florida they call it Bronze Age.
And Alfert, that cyclist, is still in the Iron Age.
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#23 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 9th, 2019, 7:01 am

John Morris wrote:
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Stealing this
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And Alfert, that cyclist, is still in the Iron Age.
My last Ironman was 2008, but I still do drag knuckles. . . .

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#24 Post by Richard T r i m p i » May 9th, 2019, 7:16 am

John Morris wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 12:32 pm
Ch. Poujeaux (Moulis en Medoc, cru bourgeois), $40: Nice nose with oak and black fruit, and a trace of red currant, as well. Both rich and tannic, with great fruit showing – more than most. Slight green hint suggested cabernet franc, but that’s only 5%; it’s 50% cabernet sauvignon. Very pleasing and a good value (as Bordeaux goes). 89 points (group’s 7th place)
Thanks for the TNs.

Poujeaux is an example of a Bordeaux that I just can't handle any more. So much new oak. It's clean and properly made and I can agree that more oak is typically required for Bordeaux than my normal daily fare. If it's not the ripeness, it's the wood. Maybe the 2016 has things dialed back a bit...but it's not worth $40 to me to find out. I had a smattering of bottles from 2009, 2010 and 2012 and gave them away to friends. The curse of being "obvious oak" averse.

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#25 Post by Kevin Porter » May 9th, 2019, 7:21 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 4:24 pm
I only read about important tastings and not unimportant tastings. Did it at least use Callaway's jailbreak technology? https://cmp.callawaygolf.com/jailbreak/ I did not realize until recently that this was important in winetasting events.
I initially read this as "Callahan's Jailbreak technology" and linked through expecting to see an un-read (or un-remembered) Coad masterpiece - very disappointing!

I guess "well into middle age" beats "the decades of decline" as a friend so cruelly put it. Great notes but I'm also actuarially (?) disqualified.

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#26 Post by John Morris » May 9th, 2019, 7:26 am

Richard T r i m p i wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 7:16 am
John Morris wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 12:32 pm
Ch. Poujeaux (Moulis en Medoc, cru bourgeois), $40: Nice nose with oak and black fruit, and a trace of red currant, as well. Both rich and tannic, with great fruit showing – more than most. Slight green hint suggested cabernet franc, but that’s only 5%; it’s 50% cabernet sauvignon. Very pleasing and a good value (as Bordeaux goes). 89 points (group’s 7th place)
Thanks for the TNs.

Poujeaux is an example of a Bordeaux that I just can't handle any more. So much new oak. It's clean and properly made and I can agree that more oak is typically required for Bordeaux than my normal daily fare. If it's not the ripeness, it's the wood. Maybe the 2016 has things dialed back a bit...but it's not worth $40 to me to find out. I had a smattering of bottles from 2009, 2010 and 2012 and gave them away to friends. The curse of being "obvious oak" averse.
There was some oak on the nose of the Poujeaux, but I don't find that objectionable in a young Bordeaux, even a cru bourgeois. The wine did seem to have firmed up a bit on retasting last night, and the tannins seemed a bit tougher.

By contrast, the Duhart and Lagrange had fleshed out and were more approachable, with the tannins less dominant in the mix than on day 1.
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#27 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 9th, 2019, 7:37 am

John Morris wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:47 am
James Billy wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:59 pm
Great notes. Thanks.

Sounds like 2010. How would you rate these 2 vintages against each other.
I didn't have enough 2010s to have a real basis for comparison. My own sense is that the fruit profile is a bit different in the '16s, and the acid may be a bit more conspicuous relative to the tannins. It's striking to me how '16s have a signature fruit and structural profile -- I might call it crispness or freshness for lack of better terms -- all the way from the Gironde to the Rhone and the Tanaro, and maybe to central Tuscany.

I would be interested to hear what Mark G and others would say about '10 versus '16 in Bordeaux.
I liked many of the 2010 Medocs and Graves, and it is certainly a great vintage there. It is also a hefty vintage, with a lot of everything coming at you, and a long way from really classic Bordeaux vintages like 2014, 2008 and 2005. I did buy, but they tended to be wines known for being a little less opulent like Ducru and Beychevelle, and I also splurged on a couple of bottles of Latour.

The precarious balance of the Left Bank was not as easily dealt with on the Right Bank, with Merlots not ripening before the alcohol levels reached record levels. I had a real problem with the alcohol, even with a chateau like Canon run by the old warhorse and lover of tradition, Kolassa. The VCC and Figeac both with higher amounts of Cabernet were fine, and Petrus and Lafleur were brilliant. But here, I would be tasting before buying.
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#28 Post by John Morris » May 9th, 2019, 7:58 am

How would you compare '16 to '14, Mark? These '16s reminded me a bit of '14s that my group tasted a year ago, though there was no overlap in the individual wines and there were more Right Bank wines in that tasting, so my basis for comparison is imperfect.
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#29 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 9th, 2019, 8:19 am

Not surprised your group found them similar. Both have incredible drive, and I loved the 2014s. But the 2016, with its greater ripeness (while never close to overripe) is more complete, and when they hit maturity, I would expect to see more nuance and complexity.
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#30 Post by John Morris » May 9th, 2019, 8:33 am

That was my hunch. Thanks.
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#31 Post by Alan Rath » May 9th, 2019, 9:14 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
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has anyone had the 2016 GPL?
FWIW, tasted at UGC in January:

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#32 Post by Neal.Mollen » May 9th, 2019, 9:17 am

Alan Rath wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 9:14 am
Neal.Mollen wrote:
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has anyone had the 2016 GPL?
FWIW, tasted at UGC in January:

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#33 Post by Mike Grammer » May 9th, 2019, 10:07 am

very nice, John. Only one crossover wine from the 45 I tasted at the UGC in January:

"2016 Chateau Branaire-Ducru

61% CS, 27% merlot, 9% PV and 3% CF. 35 year vines. Meaty and smoked meat whiffs here. On the palate, tremendous presence—still hiding plenty, but gobs of acidity, blackcurrant and chickoree. Almost juicy. Will be another one to reward patience and should show a lot over the course of an evening. #9, very intriguing stuff."

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#34 Post by James Billy » May 10th, 2019, 5:42 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 7:37 am
John Morris wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 6:47 am
James Billy wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:59 pm
Great notes. Thanks.

Sounds like 2010. How would you rate these 2 vintages against each other.
I didn't have enough 2010s to have a real basis for comparison. My own sense is that the fruit profile is a bit different in the '16s, and the acid may be a bit more conspicuous relative to the tannins. It's striking to me how '16s have a signature fruit and structural profile -- I might call it crispness or freshness for lack of better terms -- all the way from the Gironde to the Rhone and the Tanaro, and maybe to central Tuscany.

I would be interested to hear what Mark G and others would say about '10 versus '16 in Bordeaux.
I liked many of the 2010 Medocs and Graves, and it is certainly a great vintage there. It is also a hefty vintage, with a lot of everything coming at you, and a long way from really classic Bordeaux vintages like 2014, 2008 and 2005. I did buy, but they tended to be wines known for being a little less opulent like Ducru and Beychevelle, and I also splurged on a couple of bottles of Latour.

The precarious balance of the Left Bank was not as easily dealt with on the Right Bank, with Merlots not ripening before the alcohol levels reached record levels. I had a real problem with the alcohol, even with a chateau like Canon run by the old warhorse and lover of tradition, Kolassa. The VCC and Figeac both with higher amounts of Cabernet were fine, and Petrus and Lafleur were brilliant. But here, I would be tasting before buying.
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I'm surprised you put 2005 in the same category as 2008 and 2014 and say 2010 is bigger. I thought the consensus was that 2005 was the biggest of all - lots of extract, lots of acid and lots of tannin and 2010 somewhere in the middle, probably closer to 2005 than the other two.

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#35 Post by Mark Golodetz » May 10th, 2019, 6:04 am

James,
I put them in the same category, not because I believe the quality is the similar, as clearly they are not, but because all three are classic vintages, as is 2016.

Also for most chateaux, I believe 2010 was more tannic than 2005.
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#36 Post by Pat Martin » May 10th, 2019, 7:54 am

2005 has very good brightness to go with all that ripeness.
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#37 Post by Pat Martin » May 10th, 2019, 7:56 am

All ~$55, the 2016 Branaire was one of top 2-3 QPRs of the UGC, in my estimation.
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#38 Post by Greg K » May 10th, 2019, 9:50 am

The way some of you are writing about 2016 makes me think of actually buying some new Bordeaux for the first time since 2006.........
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#39 Post by Charlie Carnes » May 13th, 2019, 4:46 am

Greg K wrote:
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The way some of you are writing about 2016 makes me think of actually buying some new Bordeaux for the first time since 2006.........
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#40 Post by Charlie Carnes » May 13th, 2019, 4:49 am

John Morris wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 12:32 pm
  • The wines shared the fresh quality I’ve consistently found in ’16 reds across France and Northern Italy (Burgundy, Beaujolais the Northern and Southern Rhone, Piedmont and Tuscany): bright fruit (fully ripe but definitely not overripe), concentration, with ample tannins and acidity. I'm loving this vintage!
This is well said. I haven't tasted from everywhere, but many '16s in France are as you describe.
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#41 Post by John Morris » May 13th, 2019, 7:31 am

As I said, the same vintage fingerprint is on the wines of eastern France, from Burgundy to the Southern Rhone. And it's on display in the '16 Nebbiolo d'Albas. Dolcetto and barbera showed it, too, though the '16s of those have mostly sold through. A Caprilli Rosso di Montalcino was similar. It's like a family resemblance running through the wines of very different regions, made from very different grapes.
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#42 Post by Jim Hartten » May 13th, 2019, 11:33 am

I have often found new Bordeaux to be approachable for a six month/one year period after arrival and then start closing down for several years or more. Many 2016s are just starting to arrive and I expect to try a few half bottles over the next few months. [cheers.gif]

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#43 Post by Mike Grammer » May 13th, 2019, 12:02 pm

My generalizations about the vintage from the UGC tasting for the reds:

I do think this is a good vintage for Bordeaux. Almost everything I tasted---not Langoa Barton, of course!----was more open and giving than I expected and I'd hesitantly say that if you had a Bordeaux newbie who was curious about the region, this is a vintage I might start them on. OTOH, the wines were open to a degree that it was actually quite difficult for me to assess the ultimate bar for quality that they may achieve.

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#44 Post by John Morris » May 13th, 2019, 12:23 pm

Interesting that you found them open. As I said in my original post, the wines last week were quite tight, not opulent at this stage. Sampling the leftovers the following two nights, my impressions remained pretty much the same. Only the Lagrange seemed to flesh out significantly overnight. I would not have introduced a newbie to Bordeaux with these.
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#45 Post by Neal.Mollen » May 15th, 2019, 1:55 pm

I just got notice that my 2016s (well, 12 of my 18 half bottles) have come in at Total. It will be a long long time before I open them, but am pretty interested to see how they turn out. The Calon, for example, got super high marks from everyone, from Suckling (98, of course) to Jancis (18.5)
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#46 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » May 15th, 2019, 3:28 pm

Hmm. Need to check on mine from TW.

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