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Additive curious, looking for a Mega Purple source.

#1 Post by Anton D » May 7th, 2019, 5:07 pm

I've been reading about things that can show up in wine and I want to experiment.

Does anybody know where one can purchase small amounts of Mega Purple?

I found a gallon for 200 dollars, but that's a bit large of a serving.

Anybody know any smaller lot sources? Pint, quart?

I'm also starting an experiment with glycerol and have some on the way.

I will report on the experience.
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#3 Post by Jim Stewart » May 7th, 2019, 5:29 pm

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#4 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » May 7th, 2019, 5:46 pm

Anton D wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 5:07 pm
I've been reading about things that can show up in wine and I want to experiment.

Does anybody know where one can purchase small amounts of Mega Purple?

I found a gallon for 200 dollars, but that's a bit large of a serving.

Anybody know any smaller lot sources? Pint, quart?

I'm also starting an experiment with glycerol and have some on the way.

I will report on the experience.
200 dollars for a hi fi geek like you is nothing

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#5 Post by larry schaffer » May 7th, 2019, 7:27 pm

You can get something similar here:

http://www.californiaconcentrate.com

This is a company that purchases bulk grapes and makes them into 'varietal' concentrates. My guess is that these are used by more wineries that you may realize - a little sweetness here or there really pops the 'fruitiness' of a wine, and can certainly help cover up bitterness or alcohol. A winery I used to work for used some once on a bulk wine that was purchased and 'repackaged' to export.

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#6 Post by JDavisRoby » May 7th, 2019, 7:49 pm

I always wonder how much of wine we drink is really 100% of what we think/hope it to be.
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#7 Post by Gary York » May 7th, 2019, 8:33 pm

http://www.wagnerfamilyofwine.com/chuck_wagner

They might be able to help you out.
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#8 Post by Tom DeBiase » May 7th, 2019, 9:06 pm

This falls into the Flavor and Fragrance area which I was a part of for my entire career. But why stop with Mega Purple. Why not just go to a Juice Concentrate producer and decide where you want to go. Grape to bolster up that Cab, Blackberry or Blueberry to add some complexity, Dark Sweet Cherry to fatten up that Pinot Noir, Red Sour Cherry, Pomegranate and Cranberry to make that bland Pinot Noir more like a good Sonoma Coast Pinot. Finally, do you want an exotic dark fruit note there is Elderberry and for a bit of aged note there is always Fig Concentrate.

Of course I say all this in jest but really there are many more products available for adding to wines (and a host of other beverages) than Mega Purple. A company that was part of our corporation until they were divested was Kerr Concentrates. Just about any concentrate you can think of. One of the most reputable Juice Concentrate Companies. Here is their portfolio.

https://www.kerrconcentrates.com/kerrin ... rates.html

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#9 Post by Anton D » May 7th, 2019, 9:59 pm

Thanks, Tom!

I think it will be interesting to see if/what I can taste and apply that to what I encounter.

Quite an array you mention!

I am going to start with the glycerol and explore these others you mention.
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#10 Post by mark rudner » May 8th, 2019, 7:21 am

lots of info on this subject in cork dork

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#11 Post by Jason T » May 8th, 2019, 9:54 am

JDavisRoby wrote:
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I always wonder how much of wine we drink is really 100% of what we think/hope it to be.
More than we realize, I’m sure. And it wouldn’t surprise me if it was “far more”. That’s not knocking the producers we love. It’s acknowledging that as pure in intention as our favorite producers may be, at the end of the day, the production of wine is a business. And they sometimes have to make business decisions.
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#12 Post by larry schaffer » May 8th, 2019, 12:12 pm

Anton D wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:59 pm
Thanks, Tom!

I think it will be interesting to see if/what I can taste and apply that to what I encounter.

Quite an array you mention!

I am going to start with the glycerol and explore these others you mention.
Anton,

You may want to check out the link I provided - these are products made specifically for the wine biz. And they are all grape based - and the types of products that are regularly purchased for use in the wines.

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#13 Post by Anton D » May 8th, 2019, 12:27 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 12:12 pm
Anton D wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:59 pm
Thanks, Tom!

I think it will be interesting to see if/what I can taste and apply that to what I encounter.

Quite an array you mention!

I am going to start with the glycerol and explore these others you mention.
Anton,

You may want to check out the link I provided - these are products made specifically for the wine biz. And they are all grape based - and the types of products that are regularly purchased for use in the wines.

Cheers
Thank you, Larry!

I am going to check out the HI COLOR PURPLE 8000.

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#14 Post by Anton D » August 6th, 2019, 9:50 am

Tom DeBiase wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:06 pm
This falls into the Flavor and Fragrance area which I was a part of for my entire career. But why stop with Mega Purple. Why not just go to a Juice Concentrate producer and decide where you want to go. Grape to bolster up that Cab, Blackberry or Blueberry to add some complexity, Dark Sweet Cherry to fatten up that Pinot Noir, Red Sour Cherry, Pomegranate and Cranberry to make that bland Pinot Noir more like a good Sonoma Coast Pinot. Finally, do you want an exotic dark fruit note there is Elderberry and for a bit of aged note there is always Fig Concentrate.

Of course I say all this in jest but really there are many more products available for adding to wines (and a host of other beverages) than Mega Purple. A company that was part of our corporation until they were divested was Kerr Concentrates. Just about any concentrate you can think of. One of the most reputable Juice Concentrate Companies. Here is their portfolio.

https://www.kerrconcentrates.com/kerrin ... rates.html

Tom
Those are fascinating! (They don't sell them in small enough quantities to make playing with them feasible, but I will continue to look.) These really make me wonder what secrets their client list might reveal!

I finally found a small size mega Purple, and also got some glycerol, tannin powder, some "white wine concentrator," and a thing called Fermfast Dual Smooth, containing "Sinatin 17."

I am going to rewatch that famous episode of Northern Exposure and see what I can create with these new things, some other household items, and Two Buck Chuck.

Cult wines, I'm coming for ya! [cheers.gif]
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#15 Post by Frank Drew » August 6th, 2019, 2:15 pm

Jason T wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 9:54 am
JDavisRoby wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 7:49 pm
I always wonder how much of wine we drink is really 100% of what we think/hope it to be.
More than we realize, I’m sure. And it wouldn’t surprise me if it was “far more”. That’s not knocking the producers we love. It’s acknowledging that as pure in intention as our favorite producers may be, at the end of the day, the production of wine is a business. And they sometimes have to make business decisions.
Sure, and heck, why even use grapes?

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#16 Post by G. Greenbaum » August 6th, 2019, 2:30 pm

Here's a list of FDA approved additives and materials for wine.

https://www.alicefeiring.com/blog/2010/ ... tives.html
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#17 Post by Peter Valiquette » August 6th, 2019, 3:01 pm

I imagine producers who use these concentrates laugh their ass off at tasting notes. “Beams of cassis”...ya we put that crap in there.

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#18 Post by Richard Albert » August 6th, 2019, 3:39 pm

The Scatofine 2000 additive simulates barnyard. No, you do not want to know, but your Rhone Ranger blend suddenly resembles an old school Chateauneuf du Pape.
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#19 Post by Yao C » August 7th, 2019, 10:09 am

Anton D wrote:
August 6th, 2019, 9:50 am
I am going to rewatch that famous episode of Northern Exposure and see what I can create with these new things, some other household items, and Two Buck Chuck.

Cult wines, I'm coming for ya! [cheers.gif]
What an entertaining idea! Although if you're looking for a neutral base to start with, Two Buck Chuck might already be 'worked' in some way. Not that I have any better ideas [cheers.gif]
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#20 Post by Anton D » August 7th, 2019, 11:05 am

Yao C wrote:
August 7th, 2019, 10:09 am
Anton D wrote:
August 6th, 2019, 9:50 am
I am going to rewatch that famous episode of Northern Exposure and see what I can create with these new things, some other household items, and Two Buck Chuck.

Cult wines, I'm coming for ya! [cheers.gif]
What an entertaining idea! Although if you're looking for a neutral base to start with, Two Buck Chuck might already be 'worked' in some way. Not that I have any better ideas [cheers.gif]
I thought about that, then figured that these additives are so pricey (relatively) that Two Buck Chuck would have to charge MORE if they Mega Purpled too much. [cheers.gif]

I am totally open to suggestions for the base wines!

I think if I start with water and add Everclear, liquid smoke "oak," citric acid, and Schilling Butter Extract (water soluble), Wine Advocate might call it a 90 point chard.
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#21 Post by Robert M yers » August 7th, 2019, 12:40 pm

I’d think you would want to start with a wine that’s lacking in well...everything. The worst vintage of already thin wine and see what you can do with that. maybe a 13 Bordeaux or Loire or something from South America with greenies?

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#22 Post by Gabe Berk » August 7th, 2019, 12:47 pm

I'd venture to bet most California Designate wines that are in the $6-$15 range use Mega Purple.

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#23 Post by David Glasser » August 7th, 2019, 7:25 pm

Anton D wrote:
August 7th, 2019, 11:05 am
Yao C wrote:
August 7th, 2019, 10:09 am
Anton D wrote:
August 6th, 2019, 9:50 am
I am going to rewatch that famous episode of Northern Exposure and see what I can create with these new things, some other household items, and Two Buck Chuck.

Cult wines, I'm coming for ya! [cheers.gif]
What an entertaining idea! Although if you're looking for a neutral base to start with, Two Buck Chuck might already be 'worked' in some way. Not that I have any better ideas [cheers.gif]
I thought about that, then figured that these additives are so pricey (relatively) that Two Buck Chuck would have to charge MORE if they Mega Purpled too much. [cheers.gif]

I am totally open to suggestions for the base wines!

I think if I start with water and add Everclear, liquid smoke "oak," citric acid, and Schilling Butter Extract (water soluble), Wine Advocate might call it a 90 point chard.
Maybe you can trade recipes with Rudy K.
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#24 Post by Anton D » August 7th, 2019, 8:30 pm

Robert M yers wrote:
August 7th, 2019, 12:40 pm
I’d think you would want to start with a wine that’s lacking in well...everything. The worst vintage of already thin wine and see what you can do with that. maybe a 13 Bordeaux or Loire or something from South America with greenies?
That’s a great idea. I wonder if Rudy worked that way.

I am going to take your advice!
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#25 Post by Robert M yers » August 8th, 2019, 4:28 am

I think from memory it appeared he was actually using good wine and then would add some cheap aged wine to the good young stuff to make it appear somewhat aged. Seems like that’s why you heard a lot of “wow, I can’t believe that’s a 1937” I forget what wine it was but he cornered the market on a bulk purchase of some particular cheap old wine.

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#26 Post by Yao C » August 8th, 2019, 6:45 am

[wink.gif] All sorts of very aged but mediocre wine plus Marcassin
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#27 Post by Wes Barton » August 8th, 2019, 2:49 pm

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#28 Post by Wes Barton » August 8th, 2019, 2:51 pm

Gary York wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 8:33 pm
http://www.wagnerfamilyofwine.com/chuck_wagner

They might be able to help you out.
Yeah, but their PrimoPurple 40th Anniversary is $4000/gallon!
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#29 Post by David Glasser » August 11th, 2019, 6:16 pm

Robert M yers wrote:
August 8th, 2019, 4:28 am
I think from memory it appeared he was actually using good wine and then would add some cheap aged wine to the good young stuff to make it appear somewhat aged. Seems like that’s why you heard a lot of “wow, I can’t believe that’s a 1937” I forget what wine it was but he cornered the market on a bulk purchase of some particular cheap old wine.
My recollection as well. The old Burgs were Patriarche.

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#30 Post by Scott Brunson » August 12th, 2019, 3:30 am

Anton D wrote:
August 6th, 2019, 9:50 am




I am going to rewatch that famous episode of Northern Exposure and see what I can create with these new things, some other household items, and Two Buck Chuck.

Cult wines, I'm coming for ya! [cheers.gif]
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#31 Post by Victor Hong » August 12th, 2019, 3:54 am

Most wine shops sell the stuff.
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#32 Post by Chris Seiber » August 12th, 2019, 10:19 am

Gabe Berk wrote:
August 7th, 2019, 12:47 pm
I'd venture to bet most California Designate wines that are in the $6-$15 range use Mega Purple.
Based on what?

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#33 Post by Gabe Berk » August 12th, 2019, 10:55 am

Chris Seiber wrote:
August 12th, 2019, 10:19 am
Gabe Berk wrote:
August 7th, 2019, 12:47 pm
I'd venture to bet most California Designate wines that are in the $6-$15 range use Mega Purple.
Based on what?
Winemakers and lab techs in the industry. Bulk juice from central valley mixed with some Mega Purple to give rounder mouth feel and more intense fruit forward aroma and taste. Hard to make wine in that segment from the areas the grapes are grown to taste the way they do without it.

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