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#1 Post by Adrian Huntington » April 12th, 2019, 5:48 pm

Last year Kermit Lynch released the wines during the first week of April. Has anyone seen the 2016's at retail yet. I need six bottles of the Reynard. Thanks!

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#2 Post by Hank Victor » April 13th, 2019, 10:51 am

WS Pro shows 1 store in NY that is sold out. They were selling the wine for $320/btl and the lot was arriving 4/30.

I would take this info and expect more retailers to get this wine at the end of the month or early May.
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#3 Post by NoahR » April 13th, 2019, 1:33 pm

Prices are out of control. So much good Cornas for a fraction of the price. Sad to let a mini-Vertical go, but 2015 was bad enough.
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#4 Post by c fu » April 13th, 2019, 4:11 pm

First post. Wants six btls of 16 allemand Reynard
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#5 Post by John Morris » April 13th, 2019, 4:13 pm

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First post. Wants six btls of 16 allemand Reynard
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#6 Post by Mark Y » April 13th, 2019, 4:37 pm

c fu wrote:
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First post. Wants six btls of 16 allemand Reynard
i mean.. he coulda asked for more? ;)
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#7 Post by scamhi » April 13th, 2019, 4:55 pm

c fu wrote:
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First post. Wants six btls of 16 allemand Reynard
you don't want to share yours?
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#8 Post by NoahR » April 13th, 2019, 5:54 pm

He posted in the wrong forum if he wants to buy. At that price, there will a good number of available bottles. It’s good, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not an order of magnitude better than your Traditional Northern Rhône of the moment, be it Gonon, Clape, Souhaut, Billon, Alain verset, Dard, Faurie, Faury, Balthazar, Gerard, Barge, Gilles, Levet, oh you get the idea.

And while I haven’t had the 16 yet, I can guarantee you that it is not worth 50% more than the 15.

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#9 Post by Markus S » April 13th, 2019, 6:19 pm

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#10 Post by Adrian Huntington » April 13th, 2019, 10:53 pm

If I posted in the wrong spot, I apologize as I am new to this forum. That being said I just want to know if any one has got offers. Last year I bought nine bottles of 15 Reynard and four bottles of 15 Chaillot. I have heard production is down and don't want to miss out. I already buy Clape, Courbis and Vincent Paris. Your correct Gonon St. Joseph at $49.00 a bottle is a better buy, but I already bought that wine. I also buy Chave Hermitage, Jaboulet La Chapelle and Marc Sorrell. I buy Guigal La La's, Rostaing, Jamet, Billon, and Ogier. Yes they are all to expensive, but still a bargain compared to Burgundy. Clay Fu has cornered the market in LA for all Allemand and Marcel Juge.

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#11 Post by Adrian Huntington » April 13th, 2019, 10:57 pm

Last year the Reynard was $200.00 and the Chaillot was $190.00. I hope it isn't $300.00 a bottle. If it is I might have to save my money for more Dujac and Mugneret Gibourg.

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#12 Post by ky1em!ttskus » April 13th, 2019, 11:05 pm

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#13 Post by Mark Y » April 13th, 2019, 11:27 pm

Adrian Huntington wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 10:53 pm
Clay Fu has cornered the market in LA for all Allemand and Marcel Juge.
Dude might be new, but he knows wassup! ;)
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#14 Post by mdavis » April 14th, 2019, 1:32 am

Adrian Huntington wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 10:53 pm
If I posted in the wrong spot, I apologize as I am new to this forum. That being said I just want to know if any one has got offers. Last year I bought nine bottles of 15 Reynard and four bottles of 15 Chaillot. I have heard production is down and don't want to miss out. I already buy Clape, Courbis and Vincent Paris. Your correct Gonon St. Joseph at $49.00 a bottle is a better buy, but I already bought that wine. I also buy Chave Hermitage, Jaboulet La Chapelle and Marc Sorrell. I buy Guigal La La's, Rostaing, Jamet, Billon, and Ogier. Yes they are all to expensive, but still a bargain compared to Burgundy. Clay Fu has cornered the market in LA for all Allemand and Marcel Juge.
$49 for Gonon SJ Rouge is a good deal these days.
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#15 Post by William Kelley » April 14th, 2019, 2:02 am

They were still in tank awaiting bottling when I visited in late October 2018...
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#16 Post by NoahR » April 14th, 2019, 4:30 am

If you’re looking for wine, post in Commerce Corner. But you need to post more in other forums before you’re allowed to post there
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#17 Post by TBurklow » April 14th, 2019, 5:46 am

Adrian Huntington wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 10:57 pm
Last year the Reynard was $200.00 and the Chaillot was $190.00. I hope it isn't $300.00 a bottle. If it is I might have to save my money for more Dujac and Mugneret Gibourg.
Your money doesnt go too far there, either...

Get yourself a case of Faury St Joseph for the same cost as 1 bottle of 16 Reynard, broseph.
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#18 Post by Nick Gangas » April 14th, 2019, 10:07 am

I wouldn't use 2 advance retail offers for the official price.

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#19 Post by Markus S » April 14th, 2019, 12:35 pm

Adrian Huntington wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 10:53 pm
... I have heard production is down and don't want to miss out.
I hear the rain's down in Africa too, but...
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#20 Post by Nick Gangas » April 14th, 2019, 3:27 pm

Markus S wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 12:35 pm
Adrian Huntington wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 10:53 pm
... I have heard production is down and don't want to miss out.
I hear the rain's down in Africa too, but...
Production is down in 16. Suppose to be great. Let the games begin.

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#21 Post by Adrian Huntington » April 14th, 2019, 4:35 pm

Nick Gangas wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 3:27 pm

Production is down in 16. Suppose to be great. Let the games begin.
Many Rhone winemakers prefer the 16's to the 15's The 16's are supposed to be more classic in style. I can't wait to compare.

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#22 Post by NoahR » April 14th, 2019, 4:42 pm

Adrian Huntington wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 4:35 pm
Nick Gangas wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 3:27 pm

Production is down in 16. Suppose to be great. Let the games begin.
Many Rhone winemakers prefer the 16's to the 15's The 16's are supposed to be more classic in style. I can't wait to compare.
That’s what they say right before ‘16’s go to market, and every year where it’s not quite as ripe as the one before “more classic/poised/elegant”... Vintage of the Century, just like every year in Bordeaux. Or like every year in Burgundy: small, inconsistent crop but what little was made is of excellent quality.
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#23 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » April 14th, 2019, 5:07 pm

FWIW, I have preferred quite a few 16s over their 15 counterparts. The 15 vintage is pretty large-scaled.

I wish Juge had held on for one more year.

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#24 Post by Adrian Huntington » April 14th, 2019, 5:17 pm

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April 14th, 2019, 5:07 pm


I wish Juge had held on for one more year.
C Fu is the only person I know to post notes on this wine. SommSelect had some bottles of 15 but the price was to high for a wine I never had. My only chance to try this wine is if someone shares. If 2015 was truly the last vintage its price will skyrocket like Domaine Gentaz Dervieux.

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#25 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » April 14th, 2019, 5:20 pm

2015 Juge was its last year. I’m pretty sure I posted a note on this site. Solid, but 2013, 2011 and 2010 better, with 2014 being no slouch.

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#26 Post by Greg K » April 14th, 2019, 5:29 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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FWIW, I have preferred quite a few 16s over their 15 counterparts.
Same. Could be that they're drinking better young, but I have generally liked the balance on the 16s a lot more.
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#27 Post by Jayson Cohen » April 14th, 2019, 5:32 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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I’m pretty sure I posted a note on this site.
I know I did.

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#28 Post by c fu » April 14th, 2019, 5:35 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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2015 Juge was its last year. I’m pretty sure I posted a note on this site. Solid, but 2013, 2011 and 2010 better, with 2014 being no slouch.
Quite a few notes on CT as well
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#29 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » April 14th, 2019, 5:43 pm

Greg K wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 5:29 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 5:07 pm
FWIW, I have preferred quite a few 16s over their 15 counterparts.
Same. Could be that they're drinking better young, but I have generally liked the balance on the 16s a lot more.
Higher acid, less big fruit.

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#30 Post by Nick Gangas » April 15th, 2019, 4:48 pm

speaking of... what's the future of Allemand ? I had heard he was retiring soon. Then I hear he's going to start releasing a reserve. Doesn't sound like a guy who is retiring.

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#31 Post by Jim Cowan » April 15th, 2019, 7:55 pm

Adrian,
A suggestion: buy 2011 Alain Verset (nephew of Noel) Cornas for under $50 and forget about that new Ferrari. ‘Stuff is the shit.
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#32 Post by RyanC » April 15th, 2019, 8:42 pm

Jim Cowan wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 7:55 pm
Adrian,
A suggestion: buy Alain Verset (nephew of Noel) Cornas for under $50 and forget about that new Ferrari. ‘Stuff is the shit.
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#33 Post by Nick Gangas » April 16th, 2019, 9:20 am

Funny. Brought a mag of 12 Allemand Reynard to dinner the other night and the host was insisting that Alain Verset was just as good.

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#34 Post by Jim Cowan » April 16th, 2019, 9:40 am

Nick Gangas wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 9:20 am
Funny. Brought a mag of 12 Allemand Reynard to dinner the other night and the host was insisting that Alain Verset was just as good.
Nick,
“Just as good” is pretty subjective but the Verset is really good - give it a try if you haven’t already.
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#35 Post by John Morris » April 16th, 2019, 10:12 am

Nick Gangas wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 4:48 pm
speaking of... what's the future of Allemand ? I had heard he was retiring soon. Then I hear he's going to start releasing a reserve. Doesn't sound like a guy who is retiring.
As I recall, said he was going to retire after he went through a difficult divorce. But that was some years back now.
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#36 Post by Markus S » April 16th, 2019, 10:18 am

Jim Cowan wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 9:40 am
Nick Gangas wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 9:20 am
Funny. Brought a mag of 12 Allemand Reynard to dinner the other night and the host was insisting that Alain Verset was just as good.
Nick,
“Just as good” is pretty subjective but the Verset is really good - give it a try if you haven’t already.
Best, Jim
I tried an earlier Alain Verset which was middling (have to look at notes for the year, before 2010). Sounds like he's making better Cornas now and perhaps channeling his inner uncle. Good to hear!
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#37 Post by Jay Miller » April 16th, 2019, 10:29 am

Markus S wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 10:18 am
Jim Cowan wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 9:40 am
Nick Gangas wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 9:20 am
Funny. Brought a mag of 12 Allemand Reynard to dinner the other night and the host was insisting that Alain Verset was just as good.
Nick,
“Just as good” is pretty subjective but the Verset is really good - give it a try if you haven’t already.
Best, Jim
I tried an earlier Alain Verset which was middling (have to look at notes for the year, before 2010). Sounds like he's making better Cornas now and perhaps channeling his inner uncle. Good to hear!
Ditto here. I think the 2004 and 2005? Neither inspired me to be a buyer but he's had plenty of time to improve since then.
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#38 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » April 16th, 2019, 10:59 am

John Morris wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 10:12 am
Nick Gangas wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 4:48 pm
speaking of... what's the future of Allemand ? I had heard he was retiring soon. Then I hear he's going to start releasing a reserve. Doesn't sound like a guy who is retiring.
As I recall, said he was going to retire after he went through a difficult divorce. But that was some years back now.
Could be hard to retire, financially, after one of those!

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#39 Post by William Kelley » April 16th, 2019, 11:06 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 10:59 am
John Morris wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 10:12 am
Nick Gangas wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 4:48 pm
speaking of... what's the future of Allemand ? I had heard he was retiring soon. Then I hear he's going to start releasing a reserve. Doesn't sound like a guy who is retiring.
As I recall, said he was going to retire after he went through a difficult divorce. But that was some years back now.
Could be hard to retire, financially, after one of those!
He has now re-married, his son (who is doing / did some work experience with Jean-Louis Have) is taking a fresh interest in the domaine, and he seems newly optimistic. So hopefully he will make a bunch more vintages.
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#40 Post by Jim Cowan » April 16th, 2019, 12:57 pm

Guys,
I just tried the 2014 Alain Verset, Cornas and it was only fair.
The one that was wonderful was the 2011.
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#41 Post by Adrian Huntington » April 16th, 2019, 3:55 pm

Jim Cowan wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 7:55 pm

A suggestion: buy 2011 Alain Verset (nephew of Noel) Cornas for under $50 and forget about that new Ferrari. ‘Stuff is the shit.
Best, Jim
Thanks for the wine suggestion Jim. Are you back in Sonoma, or still in Florida? Its been a long time since Rhone for Rednecks.

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#42 Post by Markus S » April 16th, 2019, 5:41 pm

Adrian Huntington wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 3:55 pm
Jim Cowan wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 7:55 pm

A suggestion: buy 2011 Alain Verset (nephew of Noel) Cornas for under $50 and forget about that new Ferrari. ‘Stuff is the shit.
Best, Jim
Thanks for the wine suggestion Jim. Are you back in Sonoma, or still in Florida? Its been a long time since Rhone for Rednecks.

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#43 Post by Jim Cowan » April 16th, 2019, 6:21 pm

Adrian,
FL until June and then back to the left coast. Come see us - either place.
Warm is nice.
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#44 Post by Adrian Huntington » April 25th, 2019, 9:00 pm

Nick Gangas wrote:
April 15th, 2019, 4:48 pm
speaking of... what's the future of Allemand ? I had heard he was retiring soon. Then I hear he's going to start releasing a reserve. Doesn't sound like a guy who is retiring.
According to John Livingstone-Learmonth Thierry had enough barrels to bottle roughly four barrels of 1908-09 ex Louis Verset vineyard on Reynards and 1920's ex Noel Verset vineyards on Reynards in 2015 and 2016 separately from the classic Reynard. It replaces the Sans Soufre and is made in a masculine style.

I haven't seen this wine for sale at retail, but I think I need a bottle each lol. Hope it doesn't cost too much. Jamet Cote Brune 2015 set me back $375.00 a bottle.

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#45 Post by Adrian Huntington » April 25th, 2019, 9:10 pm

mdavis wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 1:32 am

$49 for Gonon SJ Rouge is a good deal these days.
I actually saw eight bottle of 2016 Gonon SJ Rouge today priced at $60.00 each. So if you bought four more bottles of something else you would get a 10% discount to make it $54.00. Alas I spent this months wine budget buying Allemand.

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#46 Post by John Morris » April 25th, 2019, 9:23 pm

Jim Cowan wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 12:57 pm
Guys,
I just tried the 2014 Alain Verset, Cornas and it was only fair.
The one that was wonderful was the 2011.
Best, Jim
I liked the 2010 a lot. Seemed very classic when I tried it (and bought it) maybe four years ago.
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#47 Post by J. Galang » May 13th, 2019, 5:28 pm

Cheapest local (Kermit import) 2016 Allemand I found "was" $250 for the Reynard and $220 for the Chaillot. That is "if" you can get an allocation....
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#48 Post by J Wei » May 13th, 2019, 5:52 pm

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May 13th, 2019, 5:28 pm
Cheapest local (Kermit import) 2016 Allemand I found "was" $250 for the Reynard and $220 for the Chaillot. That is "if" you can get an allocation....
$250 doesn't sound too bad given where some prices have been.
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Re: Thierry Allemand "Reynard" Cornas 2016

#49 Post by NoahR » May 13th, 2019, 6:02 pm

Has anyone noticed that absolutely every Cornas, St. Joseph and Cote Rotie from any producer young or old is “classic” “traditional” and “old school”?

Other than LaLa’s and maybe Chave Hermitage, and some well known producers who basically don’t have to work too hard to sell their wines, the exact same litany of adjectives is and has been bandied about. I cannot tell the difference based on descriptors between Allemand and Clape and Gonon, Levet, Jamet, Juge, Alain Verset, Souhaut, Billon, Jasmin, Lionnat, Stephane, becheras, Balthazar, , Darnaud, Faurie, Faury, Gilles, Gerard, Souzet, Nodin, Etc. Are they all the same wine? That’s just the shortlist of what I’ce Been offered I. 15/16...
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Re: Thierry Allemand "Reynard" Cornas 2016

#50 Post by Josh Grossman » May 13th, 2019, 6:20 pm

NoahR wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 6:02 pm
Has anyone noticed that absolutely every Cornas, St. Joseph and Cote Rotie from any producer young or old is “classic” “traditional” and “old school”?

Other than LaLa’s and maybe Chave Hermitage, and some well known producers who basically don’t have to work too hard to sell their wines, the exact same litany of adjectives is and has been bandied about. I cannot tell the difference based on descriptors between Allemand and Clape and Gonon, Levet, Jamet, Juge, Alain Verset, Souhaut, Billon, Jasmin, Lionnat, Stephane, becheras, Balthazar, , Darnaud, Faurie, Faury, Gilles, Gerard, Souzet, Nodin, Etc. Are they all the same wine? That’s just the shortlist of what I’ce Been offered I. 15/16...
Except Vincent Paris, who seems to use nearly the same wine making methods as above.

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