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#1 Post by IlkkaL » April 12th, 2019, 12:03 pm

Not that red Burgundy is really my forte but I think this is the best one I've had right after Coche-Dury's. I picked this bottle at Caves Madeleine in Beaune and I think I made a huge mistake not buying more. A learning experience, if anything.
  • 2015 Alain Hudelot-Noellat Bourgogne - France, Burgundy, Bourgogne (12.4.2019)
    Popped and poured into large Bourgogne bowls. The nose is not big but it is very pretty and articulate; on the savory side with bright cherry fruit and some perfume. On the palate very light on its feet and more than anything very much nonchalant. That said it does have both structure and quiet power. Remarkably focused with a mouth-puckering quality to the finish. Once again quite savory, obviously the goal has been to avoid any extra ripeness and in my books they have nailed it here. I love the grip, this is a very serious wine without a lot of concentration nor any make-up. On the other hand it’s by no means as lean as an Enderle & Moll wine for example. Damn, I think I may just have found my stylistic ideal for Pinot Noir here.
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#2 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » April 12th, 2019, 12:22 pm

Still annoyed envoyer ended up not being able to get these.

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#3 Post by Mark B » April 12th, 2019, 12:38 pm

IlkkaL wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 12:03 pm
Not that red Burgundy is really my forte but I think this is the best one I've had right after Coche-Dury's. I picked this bottle at Caves Madeleine in Beaune and I think I made a huge mistake not buying more. A learning experience, if anything.
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    Popped and poured into large Bourgogne bowls. The nose is not big but it is very pretty and articulate; on the savory side with bright cherry fruit and some perfume. On the palate very light on its feet and more than anything very much nonchalant. That said it does have both structure and quiet power. Remarkably focused with a mouth-puckering quality to the finish. Once again quite savory, obviously the goal has been to avoid any extra ripeness and in my books they have nailed it here. I love the grip, this is a very serious wine without a lot of concentration nor any make-up. On the other hand it’s by no means as lean as an Enderle & Moll wine for example. Damn, I think I may just have found my stylistic ideal for Pinot Noir here.
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#4 Post by john stimson » April 12th, 2019, 1:14 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 12:22 pm
Still annoyed envoyer ended up not being able to get these.
I got my originals from Envoyer, but on the re-boot, apparently their supply didn't come thru.

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#5 Post by John J » April 12th, 2019, 4:31 pm

One of my fav producers and I love their Bourgogne.

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#6 Post by Howard Cooper » April 12th, 2019, 4:32 pm

Mark B wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 12:38 pm


I always love when a humble bottle of Bourgogne rouge impresses. Marsannay is my go-to village for knock out Pinot in the $30-$40 range.
There are a number of very impressive humble bottles of Bourgogne rouge and similar wines. IMHO, the Hudelot-Noellat is a great buy almost every year. Another excellent buy is the Chorey les Beaune from Domaine Dublere.
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#7 Post by Michel Linden » April 12th, 2019, 4:35 pm

the 2016 is a killer awesome wine

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#8 Post by Howard Cooper » April 12th, 2019, 4:51 pm

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#9 Post by Philip Laub » April 12th, 2019, 5:55 pm

I bought a case of '15 H-N Bourgogne at $26, and, honestly, I felt like I was stealing it. Tremendous value and really delicious bottle. I'm hoping to be able to leave a few to see how they develop.....

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#10 Post by James Billy » April 12th, 2019, 9:07 pm

Michel Linden wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 4:35 pm
the 2016 is a killer awesome wine
The bottle I had was terrible. Totally disconnected. Bought and tasted in Burgundy in the summer [edit: winter] so not heat affected. [Edit: Mildly corked?]

2015 Chevillon BR was better, but not brilliant. May improve with time, but I wouldn't put money on it.
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#11 Post by Dennis Borczon » April 13th, 2019, 6:49 am

Philip Laub wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 5:55 pm
I bought a case of '15 H-N Bourgogne at $26, and, honestly, I felt like I was stealing it. Tremendous value and really delicious bottle. I'm hoping to be able to leave a few to see how they develop.....
Got a case from Envoyer at the same price and you are right, it is like stealing. Good someone took one for the team as I was thinking of cracking one soon. I was stupid not to get 2 cases. This will be like the $20.00 Leroy Bourgogne Rouge I used to get back in the day.

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#12 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » April 13th, 2019, 10:52 am

James Billy wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 9:07 pm
Michel Linden wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 4:35 pm
the 2016 is a killer awesome wine
The bottle I had was terrible. Totally disconnected. Bought and tasted in Burgundy in the summer so not heat affected.

2015 Chevillon BR was better, but not brilliant. May improve with time, but I wouldn't put money on it.
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#13 Post by Warren Taranow » April 13th, 2019, 5:28 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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Still annoyed envoyer ended up not being able to get these.
That was painful for me as well.
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#14 Post by James Billy » April 13th, 2019, 5:33 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 10:52 am
James Billy wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 9:07 pm
Michel Linden wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 4:35 pm
the 2016 is a killer awesome wine
The bottle I had was terrible. Totally disconnected. Bought and tasted in Burgundy in the summer so not heat affected.

2015 Chevillon BR was better, but not brilliant. May improve with time, but I wouldn't put money on it.
Perhaps your palate is flawed?
WTF? Upset you, did I?

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#15 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » April 13th, 2019, 6:06 pm

Sarcasm James. Sarcasm.

But you are pretty much at odds with the rest of the world on H-N Bourgogne, so...
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#16 Post by Sh@n A » April 13th, 2019, 6:36 pm

I bought a case for $27/per only a few months ago... they are still out there and you don't need Envoyer!
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#17 Post by James Billy » April 13th, 2019, 7:23 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 6:06 pm
Sarcasm James. Sarcasm.

But you are pretty much at odds with the rest of the world on H-N Bourgogne, so...
Single bottle experiences only.

NN and Chevillon EP tasting was very positive. As was Chevillon barrel tasting at the Domaine.

PS original message edited with a correction and an additional comment.

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#18 Post by Mark Y » April 13th, 2019, 8:09 pm

Question - is the HN vosne or chambolle a noticeable step up from the bourg rouge? Or not worth the money - buy brouge instead?
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#19 Post by Sh@n A » April 13th, 2019, 8:20 pm

Mark Y wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 8:09 pm
Question - is the HN vosne or chambolle a noticeable step up from the bourg rouge? Or not worth the money - buy brouge instead?
Curious for other folk's thoughts. I had a 2015 bourgogne and a 2012 Chambolle the same night, and found them to very similar, but the Chambolle was a much better wine. However, the Chambolle was over 2x the cost ($64 vs. $27). I think the "worth the money" is a difficult question to answer in this situation, and I'm curious what other opinions would be. I don't think they were over 2x as good, but they were the wines I preferred to drink; I wish the villages were cheaper.
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#20 Post by Mark Y » April 13th, 2019, 8:45 pm

Ok good. I got the chambolle and vosne but no Bourgies.

St least they were “better” side by side. Worse if they cost 2x but taste 0.5x. ;)
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#21 Post by A. So » April 13th, 2019, 9:24 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 6:06 pm
But you are pretty much at odds with the rest of the world on H-N Bourgogne, so...
Same bullshit argument that people use when I trash Pavie, Marcassin, Pape Clement, etc.
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#22 Post by James Billy » April 13th, 2019, 9:34 pm

Funny thing is, I wasn't giving an opinion on two board favourite Domaines, just giving two personal data points on wines that many may be interested in but not had chance to taste yet.

Total overreaction to an opinion on 2 bottles of wine.

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#23 Post by john stimson » April 13th, 2019, 11:18 pm

James Billy wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 9:34 pm
Funny thing is, I wasn't giving an opinion on two board favourite Domaines, just giving two personal data points on wines that many may be interested in but not had chance to taste yet.

Total overreaction to an opinion on 2 bottles of wine.
Yeah, but I don't understand why you didn't put the edits in the first time around. It's certainly ok to disagree with the predominant board darlings, but to tell us a bottle is terrible and not happen to mention that it might have been slightly corked seems a little odd. the bottles of the 15 H-N bourgogne that I've had have been delicious. I like the Chevillon quite a bit as well.

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#24 Post by James Billy » April 14th, 2019, 12:10 am

Actually, it didn't taste corked. That was just a hypothesis.

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#25 Post by Howard Cooper » April 14th, 2019, 5:21 am

James Billy wrote:
April 13th, 2019, 9:34 pm
Funny thing is, I wasn't giving an opinion on two board favourite Domaines, just giving two personal data points on wines that many may be interested in but not had chance to taste yet.

Total overreaction to an opinion on 2 bottles of wine.
Your opinion is your opinion. I am a big fan of the wines of Hudelot-Noellat. There is nothing saying you have to be.

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#26 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » April 14th, 2019, 5:28 am

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#27 Post by Mark B » April 14th, 2019, 1:19 pm

Hate to highjack the thread but has anyone had any Domaine Maume Bourgogne rouge lately? I love that producer but haven’t tasted their entry level in a few years. Always seemed reasonably priced to me.
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#28 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » April 14th, 2019, 1:41 pm

Mark B wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 1:19 pm
Hate to highjack the thread but has anyone had any Domaine Maume Bourgogne rouge lately? I love that producer but haven’t tasted their entry level in a few years. Always seemed reasonably priced to me.
The 2014 was delicious, and elegant. I drank all my bottles much too quickly.
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#29 Post by Mark B » April 14th, 2019, 1:45 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 1:41 pm
Mark B wrote:
April 14th, 2019, 1:19 pm
Hate to highjack the thread but has anyone had any Domaine Maume Bourgogne rouge lately? I love that producer but haven’t tasted their entry level in a few years. Always seemed reasonably priced to me.
The 2014 was delicious, and elegant. I drank all my bottles much too quickly.
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#30 Post by KenL. » April 14th, 2019, 2:53 pm

    Mark B wrote:
    April 14th, 2019, 1:19 pm
    Hate to highjack the thread but has anyone had any Domaine Maume Bourgogne rouge lately? I love that producer but haven’t tasted their entry level in a few years. Always seemed reasonably priced to me.
    I believe the handover to Marchand-Tawse was completed a couple years ago.
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    #31 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » April 14th, 2019, 6:01 pm

    Yes it was. It’s still Maume. Easier to say. ;)
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    #32 Post by YLee » April 14th, 2019, 6:07 pm

    Mark B wrote:
    April 14th, 2019, 1:19 pm
    Hate to highjack the thread but has anyone had any Domaine Maume Bourgogne rouge lately? I love that producer but haven’t tasted their entry level in a few years. Always seemed reasonably priced to me.
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    #33 Post by KenL. » April 14th, 2019, 7:50 pm

    D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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    Yes it was. It’s still Maume. Easier to say. ;)
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    #34 Post by Sh@n A » April 14th, 2019, 7:53 pm

    Can someone start a poll of your "top 3" favorite Bourgogne? So far I'm at Hudelot-Noellat, Meo, and TBD #3.
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    #35 Post by Marcus Dean » April 14th, 2019, 9:00 pm

    Sh@n A wrote:
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    Can someone start a poll of your "top 3" favorite Bourgogne?
    Arnoux, Hudelot and Labet for me

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    #36 Post by James Billy » April 14th, 2019, 9:35 pm

    Howard Cooper wrote:
    April 14th, 2019, 5:21 am
    James Billy wrote:
    April 13th, 2019, 9:34 pm
    Funny thing is, I wasn't giving an opinion on two board favourite Domaines, just giving two personal data points on wines that many may be interested in but not had chance to taste yet.

    Total overreaction to an opinion on 2 bottles of wine.
    Your opinion is your opinion. I am a big fan of the wines of Hudelot-Noellat. There is nothing saying you have to be.

    [David's obnoxious, over the top comments are why I have him on ignore.]
    I guess you missed the bit where I said I enjoyed HN EP.

    I can't say David has been a joy to interact with either.

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    #37 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » April 15th, 2019, 3:31 am

    Ha. Well I’m not going anywhere.
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