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#1 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 7th, 2019, 1:38 am

.....Not!!!

Landed in Paris yesterday and fully Jet-Lagged hit L'Étable Saint-Germain for an early meal.

A couple of nice bottles to kick-off what will be a big week of research for our next repast publication.

2013 Henri Boillot Meursault 1er Cru Charmes: Expressive nose of almond butter, citrus blossom and lemon. It is intense and voluminous in the mouth, cut with fabulous minerally acidity. A Charmes of great posture, drive and length.

2016 François Villard Côte-Rôtie Le Gallet Blanc: It had a gentle canter of equine running through it, along with bright berry and plum fruits. There was some liniment and floral spice too, and it is a mid-weight wine of good balance and energy, finishing crunchy. I would suggest drinking it young before a thundering gallop of thoroughbreds turn up.

A long. leisurely lunch planned at Le Bon Georges this afternoon, where we will suck down some more wines that don't suck.

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#2 Post by Kent Comley » April 7th, 2019, 2:48 am

That will teach you to stray off the Burgundy path....
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#3 Post by Gerhard P. » April 7th, 2019, 2:58 am

I would suggest to add some dots to the title line - otherwise it is quite misleading!

Wine Drinking In France Sucks ...


.....Not!!!
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#4 Post by Gary York » April 7th, 2019, 3:41 am

I think that was the intent. And it seems to have worked.
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#5 Post by IlkkaL » April 7th, 2019, 4:23 am

I would be surprised if someone here had managed to miss the idiotic/hilarious thread started by Alan Eden and as such would not get the joke.
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#6 Post by Alan Eden » April 7th, 2019, 5:47 am

Berto warned me about you Jeremy, he said you had the taste buds of a yak !!

You should have taken some nice Cali chard and paid the corkage
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#7 Post by Craig G » April 7th, 2019, 6:03 am

Take care of yourself after the long trip, Jeremy. You sound a little horse.
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#8 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 7th, 2019, 7:16 am

Kent, order restored with a Burgundy only lunch today. Although we did finish with Chartreuse (for digestive purposes only).

Alan, we had a buttery rich Cali Chardy ready to go but the siren call of Boillot at a decent price stole the moment.

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#9 Post by Jerry Hey » April 7th, 2019, 7:59 am

Don't drink ALL the wine. I'll be there in May.

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#10 Post by R. Frankel » April 7th, 2019, 8:39 am

Please accept my condolences. Seems like your group was feeling ill upon arrival in Paris. Only two bottles of wine??? Send in a medic!
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#11 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 7th, 2019, 9:06 am

Sorry for being a little soft Rich. We are back today, with a vengeance.
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#12 Post by Mattstolz » April 7th, 2019, 9:09 am

wine drinking in France is dead at retail

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#13 Post by Claus Jeppesen » April 7th, 2019, 9:28 am

Jerry Hey wrote:
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Don't drink ALL the wine. I'll be there in May.
Me too [cheers.gif] champagne.gif
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#14 Post by alan weinberg » April 7th, 2019, 11:37 am

I bridle at the thought of bad French wine. Sounds like you are on the right track—neigh, we wouldn’t want to saddle you with bad wines. Your post will stirrup some interest. Thanks. Have a great week.

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#15 Post by Markus S » April 7th, 2019, 11:41 am

Sure does suck.
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#16 Post by Howard Cooper » April 7th, 2019, 1:42 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
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wine drinking in France is dead at retail
Do they sell these wines at Binnys?
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#17 Post by Blair Ridley » April 7th, 2019, 2:26 pm

Jerry Hey wrote:
April 7th, 2019, 7:59 am
Don't drink ALL the wine. I'll be there in May.
And please don't FINISH the wine, Jerry. I'll be there in June.

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#18 Post by paul hanna » April 7th, 2019, 7:41 pm

Oh,

Ok, mate hope you guys enjoy!

Guess you won't be joining us for Mondy Table tonight then.....

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#19 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 7th, 2019, 10:59 pm

Great lunch at Le Bon Georges yesterday.

Had a 2014 Jean-Claude Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Ruchottes to kick off with. It possesses the Ramonet spearmint thing and the purest of white peach aromas and flavours you can imagine. It has volume, coupled with precision. There’s so much mineral just below the surface of fleshy orchard fruits and there’s length to burn. This wine was the perfect match with one of the dishes of the year thus far. Fat spears of white asparagus, firm on the tooth but not stringy or woody in any way, married with new season morilles. A few shavings of radish, some fresh turnip and plenty of butter and a light stock and you have nirvana.

We couldn’t choose between two younger red Burgs off the list, so we had them both. A 2014 Sylvie Esmonin Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru ‘Clos St. Jacques’ had muscle and perfume. There were notes of meat, red and black fruits, dried flowers and earth. It was fleshy and generous, with good intensity and a long savoury finish. A 2013 Domaine Amiot-Servelle Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru ‘Les Charmes’ was relatively tight, emitting a whiff of Asian spice, some ripe cherry and a flinty mineral character. It is discreet in the mouth, with good detail and plenty of cherry fruit. It builds in the glass, showing purple flowers and pungent minerality. There’s good underlying structure and it is a cool wine of elegance and length
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#20 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 7th, 2019, 11:00 pm

Paul, Colin and I will try and consume a Chevalier today so as to be with you guys in spirit. Have a great night and send our regards to the boys.
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#21 Post by Jerry Hey » April 8th, 2019, 8:25 am

Ok this post is already starting to make me jealous....

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#22 Post by Mike Grammer » April 8th, 2019, 11:06 am

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#23 Post by alan weinberg » April 8th, 2019, 2:24 pm

14 Ramonet stuns; I’ve had a few including Clos des Ruchottes, a new holding. Keep the notes coming.

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#24 Post by Brian Glas » April 8th, 2019, 4:03 pm

A title that the late great Bob Wood would appreciate.

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#25 Post by Brian Glas » April 8th, 2019, 4:06 pm

Jeremy Holmes wrote:
April 7th, 2019, 1:38 am

2013 Henri Boillot Meursault 1er Cru Charmes: Expressive nose of almond butter, citrus blossom and lemon. It is intense and voluminous in the mouth, cut with fabulous minerally acidity. A Charmes of great posture, drive and length.

2016 François Villard Côte-Rôtie Le Gallet Blanc: It had a gentle canter of equine running through it, along with bright berry and plum fruits. There was some liniment and floral spice too, and it is a mid-weight wine of good balance and energy, finishing crunchy. I would suggest drinking it young before a thundering gallop of thoroughbreds turn up.
Sounds like a couple of wines for Mark B's future Thunderbucket Challenge #2.

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#26 Post by Dave Nerland » April 8th, 2019, 6:17 pm

So Jeremy really thought Wine Drinking in France Sucks, compared to drinking out of Alan's cellar....

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#27 Post by Nick Gangas » April 8th, 2019, 6:48 pm

alan weinberg wrote:
April 8th, 2019, 2:24 pm
14 Ramonet stuns; I’ve had a few including Clos des Ruchottes, a new holding. Keep the notes coming.
I have a mixed case but was concerned when someone here posted that they were very forward. Any feelings ?

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#28 Post by alan weinberg » April 8th, 2019, 8:10 pm

Nick Gangas wrote:
April 8th, 2019, 6:48 pm
alan weinberg wrote:
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14 Ramonet stuns; I’ve had a few including Clos des Ruchottes, a new holding. Keep the notes coming.
I have a mixed case but was concerned when someone here posted that they were very forward. Any feelings ?
not at all. Gorgeous fruit makes it approachable but there’s a real spine there.

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#29 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 8th, 2019, 10:44 pm

Nick Lander wrote a nice article on Amarante recently so we thought we’d give them a whirl. Their 22 euro lunch menu is one of Paris’ genuine value propositions. I had superb poached tongue, followed by roasted Pintard and a piece of aged Camembert. The wine list is relatively small but we drank well.

2016 Alice et Olivier De Moor Chablis L'Humeur du Temps. It had the heady scent of citrus blossom but was relatively strict in the mouth. Texture was chalky and the finish had an intense saline quality.

2016 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py: Had the gentle prickle of retained CO2 at first. Work some air through the wine and it is expressive cherry fruit, lavender, violets and earth. It has a velvety feel in the mouth, good mineral precision and a long finish carried by sweet tannins.

2015 Dard et Ribo Crozes-Hermitage Les Rouges des Baties. It was the bomb, with perfectly ripe berry fruits and all sorts of agricultural and mineral nuance. There were some green bean Syrah notes, coupled with menthol and wild herb and a suggestion of smoked meats. It had good presence in the mouth, with a fresh clean finish and sneaky persistence.
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#30 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 9th, 2019, 10:58 pm

Terrific lunch at Le Petit Verdot yesterday.

2002 Pierre Péters Champagne Grand Cru Cuvée Speciale Blanc de Blancs Les Chetillons: An Oenothèque release and in splendid nick. The nose offered subtle whiffs of chalk, bread, white peach, citrus and green almond. It was full and creamy in the mouth, with awesome mineral spine. Each sip offered complex and delicate flavours and it is a Champagne of great cut and persistence.

1993 Domaine de L'Arlot Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Clos des Forêts St. Georges: The cork and bottle were is superb condition and the wine poured out deep and bright. It had an engaging perfume of musk, meat, black cherry, earth and violets. It was silky and savoury in the mouth, with good depth and awesome cut. The scent of rose petals came to the fore with more air.

2013 Domaine G. Roumier Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Les Cras: Has an enticing nose of black cherry, violets and earth. It is sweet and succulent, back-lit by electric acidity. It builds through the palate, fanning out on the finish, possessing such clarity and purity.
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#31 Post by alan weinberg » April 10th, 2019, 8:47 pm

are you dry today—c’mon, we are waiting.

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#32 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 10th, 2019, 11:03 pm

After a long lunch, dinner was furthest from our minds. If anything, a piece of fresh fish was all we needed, and a couple of bottles of white Burgundy. We waddled off to La Cagouille for a light meal.

With a bottle of Chateldon, a bottle of Raveneau and a bowl of delicious clams on the table, we were right at home. The 2009 François Raveneau Chablis Grand Cru Blanchot was fresh and vital, loaded with yellow fruits and citrus blossom. It was layered in the mouth and the partnering with clams in butter, unlocked the wine’s saline elements. Depth and length of flavour are outstanding.

So, we are in perhaps Paris’ finest seafood establishment. There are 8 or 9 entrees of various sublime crustacean or fish to choose from and Colin opts for a dish of green asparagus. He really doesn’t like embracing the house specialty. He did however have the fabulous grilled St. Pierre for main course so we shouldn’t get stuck into him too much. Heidi had half a dozen of the most enormous oysters you have ever seen. After she had finished, Colin was unaware that she had started, pointing to the ‘oyster attacher’, the technical term for the bit that fastens oyster to shell. Said ‘oyster attachers’ were as large as a standard oyster. My entrée of fresh anchovies with fried parsley was simple and brilliantly executed.

Main courses of St.Pierre and perfectly cooked Rouget came with an array of sides. Fat wedges of potato, silky puree of celeriac and a bowl of flavoured rice. A bottle of 2010 Domaine des Comtes Lafon Meursault Clos de la Barre was completely bound up by its sulphur to begin. The smoky haze dissipated to reveal hazelnut cream, sappy orchard fruits and chalky mineral. It had good shape in the mouth and intensity above its level. It finishes with excellent cut and has super persistence.

Being in an abstemious mood, no dessert for us, although the offering here is always spot on. We had just got up to leave when Kong the Somm made us sit back down and have a slug of Cognac. Not wanting to offend we obliged. The house Cagouille Cognac is Delamain Grand Champagne of which only 42 bottles were made. Our glass from bottle number 41 was very good and aided digestion after a rather large day on the fang.
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#33 Post by Craig G » April 11th, 2019, 6:27 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote:
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Heidi had half a dozen of the most enormous oysters you have ever seen.
Sounds filling.

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#34 Post by Richard T r i m p i » April 11th, 2019, 6:37 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote:
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Being in an abstemious mood....
Yeah, that can increase the suckiness of wine drinking in France.

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#35 Post by alan weinberg » April 11th, 2019, 6:44 am

you can’t swallow an oyster like that whole. Does one use a knife and fork? That’s crazy.

Raveneau sounds great.

I’m relieved you aren’t dying of thirst or hunger.

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#36 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » April 11th, 2019, 7:27 am

Have you had the 13 Barthod Cras? I have a few of the roumier and this and would like to do a side by side at some point.
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Terrific lunch at Le Petit Verdot yesterday.

2002 Pierre Péters Champagne Grand Cru Cuvée Speciale Blanc de Blancs Les Chetillons: An Oenothèque release and in splendid nick. The nose offered subtle whiffs of chalk, bread, white peach, citrus and green almond. It was full and creamy in the mouth, with awesome mineral spine. Each sip offered complex and delicate flavours and it is a Champagne of great cut and persistence.

1993 Domaine de L'Arlot Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Clos des Forêts St. Georges: The cork and bottle were is superb condition and the wine poured out deep and bright. It had an engaging perfume of musk, meat, black cherry, earth and violets. It was silky and savoury in the mouth, with good depth and awesome cut. The scent of rose petals came to the fore with more air.

2013 Domaine G. Roumier Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Les Cras: Has an enticing nose of black cherry, violets and earth. It is sweet and succulent, back-lit by electric acidity. It builds through the palate, fanning out on the finish, possessing such clarity and purity.

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#37 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 11th, 2019, 9:02 am

Hi Michael,

I had a bottle of the Barthod two years ago and have added my note below. I kind of like where '13 is at the moment. The wines are refreshing and fruit is starting to shine. Had a '13 Hubert Lignier Chambolle V.V. last night that was in a good place.

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2013 Ghislaine Barthod Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Les Cras: Discreet, cool nose of rocks, meat, red and black fruits and violets. It is detailed and chiseled in the mouth. You feel every rocky bump and there's enough flesh from the sweet fruit to allow you to take a peek now without getting hurt. Needs time and there's certainly plenty of potential here.
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#38 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » April 11th, 2019, 9:31 am

Thanks! 13 over 14 right now for those?

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#39 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 11th, 2019, 9:52 am

Different propositions. '14 for a bit more flesh, '13 for crunchiness and clarity. Both vintages drinking well in the main.
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#40 Post by Dave Sankaran » April 11th, 2019, 1:37 pm

LOL! Came for the thread title, but stayed for the yummy sounding wines being drunk. Well done!

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#41 Post by D.Callahan » April 11th, 2019, 5:53 pm

Jeremy I loved your description of the Jean-Claude 2014 Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Ruchottes and wondered what it cost in France as the 2015s are running about $220 here on the left coast? I haven't jumped on many White Burghs as the pre-mox issues and cost issues are a bit scary. Sounds like you are having an epic time in France!
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#42 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 11th, 2019, 11:41 pm

Hi Dennis, The Ramonet was about $200 off the list. Worth every cent.
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#43 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 12th, 2019, 1:33 am

Vantre in the 11th, has one of the best playlists I have encountered. The wine list and food are pretty handy too.

2015 Pierre-Yves Colin-Morey Corton-Charlemagne, Grand Cru. It was expressive and generous but possessed a lovely cool character. There were notes of white flowers, wet stones, crisp white peach and flint. It had awesome volume and filled every crevice in the mouth with sappy orchard fruit flavours. There’s fabulous chalky structure underpinning the fruit and the long finish is laden with dry extract.

2012 Domaine Ghislaine Barthod Chambolle-Musigny: Fresh and highly perfumed, with crunchy cherry fruit and a note of violets. It had stony minerality and a fine, lacy feel against the gums. The finish was tangy and precise.

1999 Domaine Marquis d'Angerville Volnay 1er Cru Clos des Ducs: Pure, unforced, ethereal and engaging. Equal parts fruit, mineral, plant matter and earth. Muscular but perfumed, deep and textural. Primary and primal, with just a hint of espresso the only sign of any age. Should live for another 50+ years.
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#44 Post by paul hanna » April 13th, 2019, 6:37 am

Sounds like you guys are having a great time....

But - No Chevaliers still!!!

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#45 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 14th, 2019, 1:13 am

Just arrived in Burgundy Paul. Pretty sure there's a Chevalier in the cellar here.
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#46 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 14th, 2019, 1:15 am

had a cracking dinner at Tomy & Co.

2017 J.M. Boillot Puligny-Montrachet. Whilst obviously juvenile, the wine showed some pleasant aniseed spice and pure white peach fruit. It had good shape in the mouth and flinty/mineral notes punctuating the finish.

2016 Vincent Dauvissat Chablis 1er Cru La Forest: It smelt of river rocks drizzled with honey. It was quite thick and unctuous in the mouth but by no means heavy. It had some citrus rind to the back-end and plenty of salinity.

2014 Jean-Claude Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Clos de la Boudriotte Rouge: It was pure, perfumed and charming. Red berry and cherry fruits abound and there’s a note of flora and some earth. It is beautifully proportioned and silky on the palate, fanning out on the finish.
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#47 Post by James Billy » April 14th, 2019, 2:05 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote:
April 12th, 2019, 1:33 am
Vantre in the 11th, has one of the best playlists I have encountered. The wine list and food are pretty handy too.

2015 Pierre-Yves Colin-Morey Corton-Charlemagne, Grand Cru. It was expressive and generous but possessed a lovely cool character. There were notes of white flowers, wet stones, crisp white peach and flint. It had awesome volume and filled every crevice in the mouth with sappy orchard fruit flavours. There’s fabulous chalky structure underpinning the fruit and the long finish is laden with dry extract.

2012 Domaine Ghislaine Barthod Chambolle-Musigny: Fresh and highly perfumed, with crunchy cherry fruit and a note of violets. It had stony minerality and a fine, lacy feel against the gums. The finish was tangy and precise.

1999 Domaine Marquis d'Angerville Volnay 1er Cru Clos des Ducs: Pure, unforced, ethereal and engaging. Equal parts fruit, mineral, plant matter and earth. Muscular but perfumed, deep and textural. Primary and primal, with just a hint of espresso the only sign of any age. Should live for another 50+ years.
What was on the playlist?

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#48 Post by Jeremy Holmes » April 14th, 2019, 2:38 am

Tunes vacillate between early blues, later bluegrass, classic ‘60’s rock, a couple of belting tracks from the likes of Janis and Nina and a smattering of ‘Fromage’ by Elvis and Neil Diamond.
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#49 Post by James Billy » April 14th, 2019, 3:53 am

You had me until Neil Diamond 😀

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#50 Post by scamhi » April 14th, 2019, 4:12 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote:
April 9th, 2019, 10:58 pm
Terrific lunch at Le Petit Verdot yesterday.
1993 Domaine de L'Arlot Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Clos des Forêts St. Georges: The cork and bottle were is superb condition and the wine poured out deep and bright. It had an engaging perfume of musk, meat, black cherry, earth and violets. It was silky and savoury in the mouth, with good depth and awesome cut. The scent of rose petals came to the fore with more air.
the 93 L'Arlot Suchots was one of the most brilliant bottles I had last year. Good to hear the NSG was also outstanding.
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