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2013 chardonnay allocation.....

Curious if anyone has heard anything?
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Been in contact with Jennifer recently and she wrote the offer will come sometime in Spring. Cheers, Joe
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Merci beaucoup!
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Anyone have updates on tmy he next Marcassin release?

Thanks in advance!

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funny how this has never changed
they just release when they feel like it
every year

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Amazing that they have the room to store that many vintages of wine.
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Any Update? Never got mailing, yet see a retailer offering today on 2013 Chard

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Reply to my 5/21/19 e-mail:
Dear Robert,
We are currently working on the 2013 Marcassin Vineyard Chardonnay mailer and it will be out soon.
Best Regards,
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nothing on this end yet

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Is this wine worth the pain of dealing with them? I passed on an allocation last year because of the pain of ordering/payment/shipping. I'm wondering if that was the correct path.
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Andrew Ing wrote: June 12th, 2019, 11:22 am Is this wine worth the pain of dealing with them? I passed on an allocation last year because of the pain of ordering/payment/shipping. I'm wondering if that was the correct path.
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Andrew Ing wrote: June 12th, 2019, 11:22 am Is this wine worth the pain of dealing with them? I passed on an allocation last year because of the pain of ordering/payment/shipping. I'm wondering if that was the correct path.
If you like full-throttle CA Chardonnay & Pinot, Marcassin's gotta be among the top 5 in terms of overall quality, if not top 3.
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Andrew Ing wrote: June 12th, 2019, 11:22 am Is this wine worth the pain of dealing with them? I passed on an allocation last year because of the pain of ordering/payment/shipping. I'm wondering if that was the correct path.
Switch to Aubert. Considerably less expensive and every bit as good, if not better.

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Anyone know how long the waitlist is for these? Presuming one signed up now.

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I love aubert, been on since the beginning and the largest set of whites i own, but there is still room for Marcassin

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There is definitely room for both.
Also Marcassin ages the wines for you.
2013 Marcassin hasn't been sold yet and I bought Aubert 2017 in January.
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luc@sl@belle wrote: June 12th, 2019, 7:43 pm Anyone know how long the waitlist is for these? Presuming one signed up now.
I don't really think there is one. I signed up last summer and got an offering as well last summer.

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I wonder why the complaints, if you don’t like how the conduct business then don’t buy. I love their wines so I’m happy to wait and look forward to getting offered anything.
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Degarmo.j wrote: June 13th, 2019, 4:06 pm I wonder why the complaints, if you don’t like how the conduct business then don’t buy. I love their wines so I’m happy to wait and look forward to getting offered anything.
really? because people just hope every once in a while they will come through when they say they will. jennifer gets her name mentioned here frequently for a reason!

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Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote: June 12th, 2019, 3:14 pm
Andrew Ing wrote: June 12th, 2019, 11:22 am Is this wine worth the pain of dealing with them? I passed on an allocation last year because of the pain of ordering/payment/shipping. I'm wondering if that was the correct path.
Switch to Aubert. Considerably less expensive and every bit as good, if not better.
How less expensive is Aubert? Just curious, have only had the Pinot (which didn't do much for me) but really interested in trying one of their Chards, which get a lot of praise on here.
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mark rudner wrote: June 13th, 2019, 4:30 pm
Degarmo.j wrote: June 13th, 2019, 4:06 pm I wonder why the complaints, if you don’t like how the conduct business then don’t buy. I love their wines so I’m happy to wait and look forward to getting offered anything.
really? because people just hope every once in a while they will come through when they say they will. jennifer gets her name mentioned here frequently for a reason!
+1 - Jennifer rocks.
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AlexS wrote: June 13th, 2019, 4:45 pm
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote: June 12th, 2019, 3:14 pm
Andrew Ing wrote: June 12th, 2019, 11:22 am Is this wine worth the pain of dealing with them? I passed on an allocation last year because of the pain of ordering/payment/shipping. I'm wondering if that was the correct path.
Switch to Aubert. Considerably less expensive and every bit as good, if not better.
How less expensive is Aubert? Just curious, have only had the Pinot (which didn't do much for me) but really interested in trying one of their Chards, which get a lot of praise on here.
$85-$100 per bottle, depending on the specific wine.

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Andrew Ing wrote: June 12th, 2019, 11:22 am Is this wine worth the pain of dealing with them? I passed on an allocation last year because of the pain of ordering/payment/shipping. I'm wondering if that was the correct path.
I don't get it, what is the "pain of dealing with them"? Other than not knowing when the next offering will come out, I've always had very good experiences in dealing with them.
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T. Altmayer wrote: June 13th, 2019, 5:24 pm
Andrew Ing wrote: June 12th, 2019, 11:22 am Is this wine worth the pain of dealing with them? I passed on an allocation last year because of the pain of ordering/payment/shipping. I'm wondering if that was the correct path.
I don't get it, what is the "pain of dealing with them"? Other than not knowing when the next offering will come out, I've always had very good experiences in dealing with them.
It's probably a lot easier for the local folks. But I ordered from them last year to ship to Texas. They had me call and get shipping rates. I wrote a check and mailed it in. Then they said the amount was too much, they voided my check and they transferred the wine to Wine Country shipping. So then they charged me CA sales tax and I had to write a new check and mail it in. I gave up.
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Andrew Ing wrote: June 13th, 2019, 5:48 pm
T. Altmayer wrote: June 13th, 2019, 5:24 pm
Andrew Ing wrote: June 12th, 2019, 11:22 am Is this wine worth the pain of dealing with them? I passed on an allocation last year because of the pain of ordering/payment/shipping. I'm wondering if that was the correct path.
I don't get it, what is the "pain of dealing with them"? Other than not knowing when the next offering will come out, I've always had very good experiences in dealing with them.
It's probably a lot easier for the local folks. But I ordered from them last year to ship to Texas. They had me call and get shipping rates. I wrote a check and mailed it in. Then they said the amount was too much, they voided my check and they transferred the wine to Wine Country shipping. So then they charged me CA sales tax and I had to write a new check and mail it in. I gave up.
That sucks. Again, I strongly suggest Aubert.

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Andrew Ing wrote: June 13th, 2019, 5:48 pm It's probably a lot easier for the local folks. But I ordered from them last year to ship to Texas. They had me call and get shipping rates. I wrote a check and mailed it in. Then they said the amount was too much, they voided my check and they transferred the wine to Wine Country shipping. So then they charged me CA sales tax and I had to write a new check and mail it in. I gave up.
Candidly, doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me, more like they made a mistake. Shipping is complicated for small operations and I wouldn't hold one flub against them.
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T. Altmayer wrote: June 13th, 2019, 6:52 pm
Andrew Ing wrote: June 13th, 2019, 5:48 pm It's probably a lot easier for the local folks. But I ordered from them last year to ship to Texas. They had me call and get shipping rates. I wrote a check and mailed it in. Then they said the amount was too much, they voided my check and they transferred the wine to Wine Country shipping. So then they charged me CA sales tax and I had to write a new check and mail it in. I gave up.
Candidly, doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me, more like they made a mistake. Shipping is complicated for small operations and I wouldn't hold one flub against them.
Ummm, a small operation should have it much more dialed in that this.. if you price your wines at their price point you better bring amazing customer service. The days of feeling privileged to have Marcassin are over...
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I’ve been treated rudely by more than one winery and they have lost my business (Araujo when they were at their pinnacle comes to mind). Not defending Marcassin in particular as I have no dog in this fight, just seems a bit harsh given the appearance of it being a simple mistake, but we all have our tolerance levels.
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Rajesh P a r i k h wrote: June 13th, 2019, 12:45 pm
luc@sl@belle wrote: June 12th, 2019, 7:43 pm Anyone know how long the waitlist is for these? Presuming one signed up now.
I don't really think there is one. I signed up last summer and got an offering as well last summer.
There was an offering to a new wave of folks last summer. But it hardly came without qualifications, nor did it do anything to dispel a long waiting list. It said, should your check be cashed, that after the 2013 chardonnay you wouldn't get anything for 3 more vintages minimum.

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No complaints on my end. Surprised by the nature of the complaint as in my opinion, rather than complain about an honest winery who calls to say a check was for too much, one should praise it.

But, with the mail in check business model I would think it easier to just raise the price by a few dollars to a price that includes shipping to avoid any issues by simplifying the math.
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What is the business benefit to the “mail-in-check” model?
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John Ammons wrote: June 13th, 2019, 11:54 pm
Rajesh P a r i k h wrote: June 13th, 2019, 12:45 pm
luc@sl@belle wrote: June 12th, 2019, 7:43 pm Anyone know how long the waitlist is for these? Presuming one signed up now.
I don't really think there is one. I signed up last summer and got an offering as well last summer.
There was an offering to a new wave of folks last summer. But it hardly came without qualifications, nor did it do anything to dispel a long waiting list. It said, should your check be cashed, that after the 2013 chardonnay you wouldn't get anything for 3 more vintages minimum.

That’s an interesting point of view. I was one of those people who received the offer and sent in my check immediately for my entire allocation and had it granted. However, I read the letter as if your check is cashed, you will be moved up officially, and that after the ‘13 vintage, you will receive every offer but that it will be more difficult for new people to receive offers since more spots will have been taken by the people who moved up.
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Jason T wrote: June 14th, 2019, 3:07 pm What is the business benefit to the “mail-in-check” model?
I get the impression that they prefer to keep things lower tech and run their company on their terms. And the costs of having a first class wine e-commerce web app is higher than you'd think. And there are 'costs' associated with understanding how the e-commerce web app really works, and how well it meshes with how your business operates, which is often under appreciated....for example, there are a number of sizable companies that allowed their business model shift because they adopted SAP...probably still a good/reasonable decision, but still interesting.
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Eric Lundblad wrote: June 14th, 2019, 9:48 pm
Jason T wrote: June 14th, 2019, 3:07 pm What is the business benefit to the “mail-in-check” model?
I get the impression that they prefer to keep things lower tech and run their company on their terms. And the costs of having a first class wine e-commerce web app is higher than you'd think. And there are 'costs' associated with understanding how the e-commerce web app really works, and how well it meshes with how your business operates, which is often under appreciated....for example, there are a number of sizable companies that allowed their business model shift because they adopted SAP...probably still a good/reasonable decision, but still interesting.
Eric, thanks for that explanation. I’m in management consulting and I sometimes do work for clients around payment processing, so your explanation absolutely makes sense. In my head I’d think that the “mail in check” model would have to add so much friction that e-commerce would have to be cheaper, but I guess especially at a smaller scale that’s not always correct.
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Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote: June 13th, 2019, 4:57 pm
AlexS wrote: June 13th, 2019, 4:45 pm
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote: June 12th, 2019, 3:14 pm

Switch to Aubert. Considerably less expensive and every bit as good, if not better.
How less expensive is Aubert? Just curious, have only had the Pinot (which didn't do much for me) but really interested in trying one of their Chards, which get a lot of praise on here.
$85-$100 per bottle, depending on the specific wine.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but my memory had the aubert wines about $100 and the marcassin wines about $125...again this is just from memory, but I do buy them both.

Have you ever bought marcassin direct?
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p. raghib wrote: June 15th, 2019, 6:57 am
Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote: June 13th, 2019, 4:57 pm
AlexS wrote: June 13th, 2019, 4:45 pm

How less expensive is Aubert? Just curious, have only had the Pinot (which didn't do much for me) but really interested in trying one of their Chards, which get a lot of praise on here.
$85-$100 per bottle, depending on the specific wine.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but my memory had the aubert wines about $100 and the marcassin wines about $125...again this is just from memory, but I do buy them both.

Have you ever bought marcassin direct?
The Aubert chards ranged $85-$100 in the last 2017 release in January. If memory serves me correctly, I was offered Marcassin at $150 per bottle upon release.

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maybe in the fall?

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jeffruggels wrote: July 15th, 2019, 7:39 am maybe in the fall?
Of which year?

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Very funny Ron

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Has anyone seen/received the 2013 chardonnay offer? I was just browsing WineBid and found 31 bottles available at auction.
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Been on the lookout, but I haven't received an offer yet.

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According to Jen, 2013 offer "will be out soon" but that was back on June 13th.
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Same as MikeHahn. Nothing here either (Oakland, CA).
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Well cash flow is obviously not an issue for Marcassin.
I recall decades ago her fees as winemaker who could practically guarantee a winery a high Parker rating was stunningly high, way beyond belief and ground breaking.

My memory was so incomplete, I just googled this eye opener: https://fermentationwineblog.com/2006/0 ... parkerego/

Guess that is why they can sit on a lot of bottles until they think the wines are ready. I do commend them for that thinking and you folks as clients of theirs should too. The ability to buy perfect provenance, unreleased bottles is not common.
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Honestly, I'm kinda happy it's taking this long - 2013 Chard will be nicely aged by the time it ships!
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#46 Post by Peter Valiquette »

This thread reminded me that I needed to sign up for Marcassin, so I did, and I received a message that I was already signed up in their system, but I have no idea when since they don't send out a confirmation e-mail.

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AlexS wrote: August 6th, 2019, 4:48 pm Honestly, I'm kinda happy it's taking this long - 2013 Chard will be nicely aged by the time it ships!
Funny, though. Don't they usually release the Pinot around now?
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StuartB wrote: August 9th, 2019, 10:15 am
AlexS wrote: August 6th, 2019, 4:48 pm Honestly, I'm kinda happy it's taking this long - 2013 Chard will be nicely aged by the time it ships!
Funny, though. Don't they usually release the Pinot around now?
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Um..monthly check in, any allocations yet?

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MikeHahn wrote: September 25th, 2019, 6:00 pm Um..monthly check in, any allocations yet?

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