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What are your top italian whites ?

#1 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 1st, 2019, 8:21 am

Just two names in my mind :
* Trebbiano d'Abruzzo Valentini
* Etna bianco Benanti (carricante)

I also found great the sweet Maculan Acininobili 1998 (passito vespaïolo).

What are your best experiences, able to challenge the best white expressions in the world (dry or sweet) ?
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#2 Post by TomHill » April 1st, 2019, 8:42 am

Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 8:21 am
Just two names in my mind :
* Trebbiano d'Abruzzo Valentini
* Etna bianco Benanti (carricante)

I also found great the sweet Maculan Acininobili 1998 (passito vespaïola).

What are your best experiences, able to challenge the best white expressions in the world (dry or sweet) ?
Laurent,
I would have to say Timorasso from AltoPiemonte is probably my favorite white variety.
Also like Vermentino/Pigato/Favorita from Liguria & Piemonte.
And Ribolla Gialla from Friuli is another favorite, in general.
And Arneis from Piemonte.
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#3 Post by Markus S » April 1st, 2019, 9:21 am

Pieropan La Rocca or Calvarino
Jermann Tunina
Miani (nearly ALL the whites)
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#4 Post by Kelly Flynn » April 1st, 2019, 9:38 am

Arneis. Almondo makes a terrific example. They call it "the white barolo". But WAY cheaper.

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#5 Post by Hank Victor » April 1st, 2019, 9:55 am

Bruno Giacosa Arneis
Angelo Negro Arneis Unfiltered

If you want something different that does not scream Italian I would recommend Peter Diploli's "Voglar" Sauvignon from Alto Adige. Elena Walch makes some really good pinot blanc and gewurztraminer.
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#6 Post by etomasi » April 1st, 2019, 10:05 am

I'd have to include Miani in there for higher end stuff, and I Clivi for more value whites that can age.
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#7 Post by Michael O'Brien » April 1st, 2019, 10:07 am

My two favorites are:
Ornellaia Poggio alle Gazze
Antinori Cervaro Della Sala
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#8 Post by g.colangelo » April 1st, 2019, 10:08 am

Fiano di Avellino (for example Pietracupa and Ciro Picariello)
and Greco di Tufo (in addition to the two above, also Benito Ferrara and his Vigna Cicogna)
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#9 Post by Oliver McCrum » April 1st, 2019, 10:16 am

I agree with many of these. For me, top examples of Fiano di Avellino, Greco di Tufo, Soave, Etna Bianco (especially Pietramarina), Timorasso, and sometimes Verdicchio. All of these can age. I have had some wonderful wines from less well-known varieties in Campania, too, such as Falanghina Beneventana and Coda di Volpe.
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#10 Post by Jim Stewart » April 1st, 2019, 10:35 am

I like the Colli di Lapio offering of Fiano di Avellino. ($20 +/-)

Also impressed with first time tasting Pigato and Malvasia (Sardinia) a few months back (also $20 +/-)
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#11 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 1st, 2019, 10:42 am

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I agree with many of these. For me, top examples of Fiano di Avellino, Greco di Tufo, Soave, Etna Bianco (especially Pietramarina), Timorasso, and sometimes Verdicchio. All of these can age. I have had some wonderful wines from less well-known varieties in Campania, too, such as Falanghina Beneventana and Coda di Volpe.
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#13 Post by S. Rash » April 1st, 2019, 11:35 am

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#14 Post by Jeff Vaughan » April 1st, 2019, 12:15 pm

My favorites for inexpensive, tasty and food friendly Italian whites include:

Soave
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#15 Post by Tim Heaton » April 1st, 2019, 1:06 pm

Top? Don't really think in those terms as simple wines with soul and beauty can be tops in the proper setting. As an example, today I am in Sirmione, and a Turbiana (2016, 2013, and a late-release 1999), and a Chiaretto flat out knocked my socks off on a warm early Spring day. So for today, they were tops.
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#16 Post by Mike Grammer » April 1st, 2019, 1:12 pm

Were you asking for varieties or actual wines, Laurent? I'm a curiosity-driven oddball and the couple Gravners I've had (Breg and Amphyllo) have been really memorable for me.

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#17 Post by Joshua Kates » April 1st, 2019, 1:33 pm

For sweet, I'd have to go with Avignonesi Vin Santo; I had a '94, tremendous complexity, like port squared, while also being the most viscous wine I have ever encountered. On non-sweet, there are so many and so many different styles,a number of which have been mentioned above. Pieropan is certainly one, very classic; Gravner, another, and just the opposite. Then, there are the various Arneis, including Giacosa and Vietti, as well as Freisa, and all the Sicilians, both Carricante and Fiano (which I am just getting to know better). Generally, I avoid Tuscan whites and most vermentino, but I may be missing something.

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#18 Post by John Morris » April 1st, 2019, 1:34 pm

For a surprisingly good "lesser" wine that's a bargain:
Abbazzia di Novacella - Kerner

For more serious wines:
De Bartoli - "Integer" Terre Siciliane -Grillo: Just had this wine at the LDM/Dressner tasting yesterday. Moderate skin contact, but not really orange and not bitter. Just a super interesting wine.

Surprises:
Ettore Germano - Riesling - Alto Langhe
Vajra - Riesling - Alto Langhe

Good concentration, complex, dry

Nearly as good as his reds:
Emidio Pepe - Trebbiano d'Abruzzo
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#19 Post by Nathan Smyth » April 1st, 2019, 1:35 pm

Nals Margreid's whites - the Punggl pinot grigio & the Sirmian pinot bianco - are dynamite values at their pricepoints [roughly $20 to $25]. And they're great with food, especially with the spicy dishes.

I kinda feel like Nals Margreid is trying to do in Italy what Didier Dagueneau was doing in the Loire about 25 years ago. [I'd love to try a Margreid dessert wine, if there were such a thing.]

Below that price point, sub-$14.99, we're seeing excellent values in unoaked Pinot Grigio [or at least they taste unoaked to my palate].

And we even had a $12.99 Sauvignon Blanc, from Vinska Klet Goriska Brda, in Slovenia, under the "Villa Brici" label, which was superb.
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#20 Post by Nathan Smyth » April 1st, 2019, 1:45 pm

For the record, year in & year out, Paulo Saracco Moscato d'Asti is probably the consistently best & most aggressively priced wine in the entire world - it's always about 95 points every time I put it in my mouth.

Somebody at Saracco has perfected that recipe.

And Zardetto Prosecco is another label you can always trust, year in & year out.

Whenever I'm far away from trusted sources, I can always pop into a Big Box store and grab a bottle of Saracco & a bottle of Zardetto and be satisfied that the party won't be a total failure.

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#21 Post by Nathan Smyth » April 1st, 2019, 1:49 pm

At the high end, I used to like the Paolo Bea whites, such as the Santa Chiara, but I haven't seen those wines in years.

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#22 Post by John Morris » April 1st, 2019, 1:58 pm

Nathan Smyth wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 1:49 pm
At the high end, I used to like the Paolo Bea whites, such as the Santa Chiara, but I haven't seen those wines in years.
The Santa Chiara is on shelves in New York.
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#23 Post by Eric Ifune » April 1st, 2019, 1:59 pm

Dorigo's Picolit. Picolit was once as prestigious as Tokay.

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#24 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 1st, 2019, 2:12 pm

Mike Grammer wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 1:12 pm
Were you asking for varieties or actual wines, Laurent? I'm a curiosity-driven oddball and the couple Gravners I've had (Breg and Amphyllo) have been really memorable for me.
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My former post (50 italian wines) showed interesting whites, sweet and fortified :
23. Sicile : Moscato di Pantelleria - Donnafugata “Kabir” 2017 37,5 cl
(zibibbo soit moscato d’Alessandria)
DS16,5 - LG16,5 – CDC16,5 – MS16,5/17 - AA16,5/17
Service fruité sous forme de parfums guillerets expressifs rappelant l’Allemagne ou mieux encore les vins délicats de Jorge Ordonez (Malaga). Ils disent une belle brise muscatée : citron, citronnelle, thym, lavande. Bouche en écho, fine/légère, tout en allégresse. On connaît des approches bien plus roboratives du cépage sur cette île.

24. Sicile : Marsala Superiore - Casano "Ambra Secco" NM
(Catarratto, Grillo, Insolia)
DS17 - LG17 – CDC17 – MS16,5 - AA17
Robe aux reflets verts, comme à Madère. Rancio de valeur (abricot sec, marmelade d’oranges, amandes grillées, pralin, …). Bouche suave (mais sans sucre), ni vraiment andalouse ni vraiment lusitanienne.

49. Sicile : Moscato di Noto (Syracuse) - Riofavara “Notissimo” 2015 (50 cl)
(Muscat à petits grains) Non muté
DS14,5 - LG14 – CDC14 – MS15 - FM13 - AA14,5
Cépage très apparent pour le coup, identifié par ces parfums de mandarine, de lavande, d’abricot, de citron givré. Le vin est fruité mais pêche par sa mollesse.

50. Sicile : Marsala Superiore - Florio "Donna Franca" SemiSecco "Ambra" NM
(100% Grillo)
DS16 - LG16,5 – CDC16 – MS16,5 - FM17 - AA16,5
Ici aussi, le rancio de qualité produit par l’élevage brouille les pistes. Sommes-nous en présence d’un Madère (cette pointe sucrée et ces reflets cuivrés), d’un vin andalou (Jerez ou Montilla-Moriles, avec ou sans voile, sachant qu’il existe des Oloroso dulce) voire d’un Rivesaltes ambré ?
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#25 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 1st, 2019, 2:16 pm

Gravner, De Bartoli (Vecchio Samperi Ventennale - Marsala made with grillo), Hauner (malvasia delle Lipari), Emidio Pepe (trebbiano), Radikon (ribolla gialla) ... make good white wines ...

Montevertine, Poliziano and San Giusto a Rentennano produce interesting santo wines in Tuscany.

Some excellent Franciacorta too but it is hard to challegenge the best Champagnes.

Moscato d'Asti very yummy (but nor really great I think) : I bouth some at the domain (Massolino - cheap price).

I love Burlotto's reds (among the best wines in the world) but his varietal sauvignon is not for me (idem for Gaja's sauvignon).
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#26 Post by Nathan Smyth » April 1st, 2019, 2:27 pm

Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:16 pm
Some excellent Franciacorta too but it is hard to challegenge the best Champagnes.
In the United States, we get a whole lot of Prosecco, in the $10 to $20 price range, and while it can't challenge Champagne, it tends to be better than either Cremant de Bourgogne or Cava.

In my experience, Prosecco is probably the consistently most excellent [even when mass-produced] table wine in the world.

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#27 Post by Nathan Smyth » April 1st, 2019, 2:31 pm

John Morris wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 1:58 pm
Nathan Smyth wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 1:49 pm
At the high end, I used to like the Paolo Bea whites, such as the Santa Chiara, but I haven't seen those wines in years.
The Santa Chiara is on shelves in New York.
Does it still have that bizarre, almost purplish synesthesia of licorice?

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#28 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 1st, 2019, 2:39 pm

Nathan Smyth wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:27 pm
Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:16 pm
Some excellent Franciacorta too but it is hard to challegenge the best Champagnes.
In the United States, we get a whole lot of Prosecco, in the $10 to $20 price range, and while it can't challenge Champagne, it tends to be better than either Cremant de Bourgogne or Cava.

In my experience, Prosecco is probably the consistently most excellent [even when mass-produced] table wine in the world.
About cava, have you tried Recaredo's excellent production ?
Never tasted a very good prosecco (but i taste very few).
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#29 Post by Joel Singer » April 1st, 2019, 2:44 pm

I am a big fan of the Cantina Terlano Pinot Bianco Vorberg. I wine that shows well with a few years of age, but can be held longer. Wonderful with seafood risotto.
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#30 Post by Nathan Smyth » April 1st, 2019, 2:51 pm

Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:39 pm
Nathan Smyth wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:27 pm
Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:16 pm
Some excellent Franciacorta too but it is hard to challegenge the best Champagnes.
In the United States, we get a whole lot of Prosecco, in the $10 to $20 price range, and while it can't challenge Champagne, it tends to be better than either Cremant de Bourgogne or Cava.

In my experience, Prosecco is probably the consistently most excellent [even when mass-produced] table wine in the world.
About cava, have you tried Recaredo's excellent production ?
Never tasted a very good prosecco (but i taste very few).
That might be something which we don't have any control over, in terms of how we taste the wines.

Prosecco is a much softer & sloppier approach to sparkling wine. Very low brow.

Cava is more middle brow, and the flavors can become so intense as to be off-putting.

Cremant de Bourgogne has always been like that for me - it's just a little too "try hard".

Prosecco isn't pretentious like that - it doesn't try to put on airs.

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#31 Post by David Mc » April 1st, 2019, 2:54 pm

Arneis from Piemonte
Soave
Vermentino from Sardegna
Had a Riesling/Chardonnary blend from Alois Lageder
Even drank a red Lambrusco that was tasty!
Field blend from a producer I don't remember but it was good.
And on and on.

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#32 Post by Bob Hughes » April 1st, 2019, 3:19 pm

Valentini's Trebbiano, Benanti's Pietramarina and Terlan's Vorberg are all worthy of consideration as one of the best whites made in Italy.

On my last trip, I was also able to try a couple bottles of Emidio Pepe's Pecorino. Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge not exported to the states, but that is a wine that I would drink frequently if available. [cheers.gif]

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#33 Post by TomHill » April 1st, 2019, 3:42 pm

Eric Ifune wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 1:59 pm
Dorigo's Picolit. Picolit was once as prestigious as Tokay.
Bingo, Eric...totally forgot about Picolit. As you say, it was once as famous as Tokaji. But when they quit interplanting it w/
Verduzzo, the myth of floral abortion came out and production of Picolit passito plummeted and prices skyrocketed.
What has surprised me is that, with now knowing how to grow the grape, there has not been a resurgence in interest in Picolit passito
and a return to its former fame.
Prices are still very high, but my current fave is the Ronchi di Pietro Picolit. Best Picolit I've ever had and not outrageously
priced at $60/500 ml.
When I was tasting w/ IvanRapuzzi at Ronchi di Cialla, I made the off-hand comment that I never tasted a Verduzzo that impressed me.
That prompted him to go out to the cellar and pull an early '00's Verduzzo dessert wine. Wonderful stuff.

I also like the Vignalta Fior d'Arancio OrangeMuscat Passito from the Colli Eugenia quite a lot.
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#34 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » April 1st, 2019, 4:37 pm

Cantina Terlano Vorberg Riserva
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#35 Post by Joel Singer » April 1st, 2019, 4:48 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 4:37 pm
Cantina Terlano Vorberg Riserva
As I noted above, I am a big fan too. Ian D'Agata did a 1959-2014 retrospective in Vinous ( JANUARY 31, 2017). There he says that they started adding the word Riserva, because it was hard to sell a white wine in Italy that was more than a few years old without it.
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#36 Post by dcornutt » April 1st, 2019, 5:20 pm

Anything from Miani.
Valentini and Pepe Trebbiano d'Abruzzo.
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#37 Post by Roger Ouellette » April 1st, 2019, 5:37 pm

We've enjoyed several different Vernaccia from Montenidoli and a 2013 Monastero Suore Cistercensi Coenobium Lazio that was really nice, each of these in the mid $20 range.

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#38 Post by John Morris » April 1st, 2019, 5:40 pm

Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 8:21 am
What are your best experiences, able to challenge the best white expressions in the world (dry or sweet) ?
I'm interested that people have listed arneis. A good one can be quite interesting, but there are so many diluted, boring ones. Even the best I don't see it answering to Laurent's description. Maybe people read "your top Italian wines" to mean the ones they drink most often.
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#39 Post by Joe W i n o g r a d » April 1st, 2019, 6:09 pm

Lots of great options above.

One additional wine that I have enjoyed quite a bit, particularly in the cooler vintages, is the Quintarelli Secco Ca de Merlo. It’s not as much of a bargain as some of the under the radar options but it puts a smile on my face

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#40 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 2nd, 2019, 1:18 am

Nathan Smyth wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:51 pm
Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:39 pm
Nathan Smyth wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 2:27 pm

In the United States, we get a whole lot of Prosecco, in the $10 to $20 price range, and while it can't challenge Champagne, it tends to be better than either Cremant de Bourgogne or Cava.

In my experience, Prosecco is probably the consistently most excellent [even when mass-produced] table wine in the world.
About cava, have you tried Recaredo's excellent production ?
Never tasted a very good prosecco (but i taste very few).
That might be something which we don't have any control over, in terms of how we taste the wines.

Prosecco is a much softer & sloppier approach to sparkling wine. Very low brow.

Cava is more middle brow, and the flavors can become so intense as to be off-putting.

Cremant de Bourgogne has always been like that for me - it's just a little too "try hard".

Prosecco isn't pretentious like that - it doesn't try to put on airs.
Had two Spumante from Piémont last week ... Good Barolo and Barbaresco producers ... Very ackward and nothing worth considering
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#41 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 2nd, 2019, 1:26 am

John Morris wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 5:40 pm
Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 8:21 am
What are your best experiences, able to challenge the best white expressions in the world (dry or sweet) ?
I'm interested that people have listed arneis. A good one can be quite interesting, but there are so many diluted, boring ones. Even the best I don't see it answering to Laurent's description. Maybe people read "your top Italian wines" to mean the ones they drink most often.

John,

For me, Valentini Trebbiano d'Abruzzo 2007 can reach the summit ...
Some sweet and fortified too.
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Re: What are your top italian whites ?

#42 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d » April 2nd, 2019, 5:08 am

  • Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Bianco Santo Spirito - the single vineyard bottling
  • Bruno Giacosa Roero Arneis
  • Giuseppe Quintarelli Bianco Secco Cà del Merlo
  • Jermann Vintage Tunina
  • Valentini Trebbiano d'Abruzzo
Speaking of Italian whites, my biggest wine folly was buying a bunch of the Fiorano (Boncompagni Ludovisi) Malvasia di Candia after reading Asimov's article about it. A few bottles were interesting in an "orange wine" kind of way, but most of them were bilge water.

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#43 Post by Otto Forsberg » April 2nd, 2019, 5:21 am

John Morris wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 5:40 pm
Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 8:21 am
What are your best experiences, able to challenge the best white expressions in the world (dry or sweet) ?
I'm interested that people have listed arneis. A good one can be quite interesting, but there are so many diluted, boring ones. Even the best I don't see it answering to Laurent's description.
Me too. I've tasted numerous examples of Arneis, but while the best ones can be mighty good, most of them are just nice and inconspicuous little sippers. The same applies to Ribolla Gialla, although the overall level seems to be a bit better and the best examples tend to be better than the best Arneis wines.

Timorasso, on the other hand, never seems to fail. I've tasted a good handful of them and not a single one has been less than brilliant. Walter Massa's and Claudio Mariotto's single vineyard Timorassos are simply outstanding.

All in all, I've tasted tons and tons of Italian whites and most of them tend to be quite uninteresting and overtly simple stuff. However, the best ones can really blow your socks off. Along with those aforementioned Timorassos, my favorites are:
- Radikon "whites" (or orange wines)
- Borgo del Tiglio Malvasia Istrana
- Colonnara Cuprese Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Classico Riserva (probably not that interesting while young, but extraordinary after 20 years)
- Cantina Terlan Pinot Bianco Vorberg Riserva
- Fattoria San Lorenzo Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Classico Riserva Vigna delle Oche
- Joaquin dall' Isola
- Bibi Graetz Cicala del Giglio
- Suavia Massifitti
- Skerk Vitovska
- Elisabetta Foradori Nosiola
- Sartarelli Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Classico Superiore Balciana
- Lis Fadis Sbilf Friulano
- Ettore Germano Nascetta

I haven't tasted Valentini's Trebbiano, but knowing his Cerasuolos and Montepulcianos, I believe they are nothing short of stunning.
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#44 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 2nd, 2019, 5:34 am

Thank you for your list, Otto,

Valentini reds and rosés are stunning ...

I remember a good Etna bianco I Vigneri Vinujancu 2011 (Carricante, Riesling rhénan franc de pieds, Grecanico, Minella)

For whites, let's not forget maceration (orange) wines : Radikon, Foradori Nosiola, Cornelissen (Etna), ...

Some years ago, very low ratings for these wines :
Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi - Sartarelli "Vigneti Tralivio Classico Superiore" 2006
Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi - Sartarelli "Vigneti Balciana Classico Superiore" 2007
Verdicchio Dei Castelli Di Jesi – Fazi Battaglia « San Sisto » 2000
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#45 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 2nd, 2019, 5:53 am

Andrew,

Never tasted this Quintarelli's white (Garganega, Trebbiano Toscano, Sauvignon Bianco, Chardonnay and Saorin)
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#46 Post by Kris Patten » April 2nd, 2019, 6:08 am

Bucci Verdicchio
Antinori Guado al Tasso Vermentino
Jermann Vintage Tunina
Pieropan Calvarino
Donnafugata Zibbibo

Some interesting wines I haven't had listed throughout, that I will have to look for.

Thanks for sharing.
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#47 Post by John Morris » April 2nd, 2019, 7:13 am

Otto Forsberg wrote:
April 2nd, 2019, 5:21 am
- Ettore Germano Nascetta
That's a great addition to the list!

The only nascettas I've had are Germano's and Cogno's, and they're both fascinating wines, with a lot of complexity and concentration and a strong saline element. Nadia Cogno said that she likes theirs with 10 years of age, so I've stashed away a few bottles.

For those who don't know nascetta, it's a grape that was almost extinct. It's grown almost exclusively in the Novello village in Barolo, where it's experiencing a bit of a revival. That was the story of arneis, too, until Alfredo Currado at Vietti started taking it seriously many decades ago.
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Re: What are your top italian whites ?

#48 Post by J Henson » April 2nd, 2019, 7:25 am

Greco di Tufo
Benito Ferrara Greco di Tufo Vigna Cicogna Greco di Tufo
Pinot Bianco
Cantina Terlan Pinot Bianco Terlano Riserva Vorberg
Kellerei Nals-Margreid Pinot Bianco Alto Adige - Südtirol Sirmian
Soave
Pieropan Soave Classico Calvarino Garganega
Azienda Agricola Prà Soave Classico Garganega [my greatest white wine QPR=='17 vintage selling $14 per bottle at Wine Library]
Azienda Agricola Prà Soave Classico Monte Grande
Carricante
Pietradolce Etna Archineri Etna DOC Carricante
Trebbiano
Tiberio Trebbiano d'Abruzzo Fonte Canale

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#49 Post by TomHill » April 2nd, 2019, 8:09 am

Otto Forsberg wrote:
April 2nd, 2019, 5:21 am
John Morris wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 5:40 pm
Laurent Gibet wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 8:21 am
What are your best experiences, able to challenge the best white expressions in the world (dry or sweet) ?
I'm interested that people have listed arneis. A good one can be quite interesting, but there are so many diluted, boring ones. Even the best I don't see it answering to Laurent's description.
Me too. I've tasted numerous examples of Arneis, but while the best ones can be mighty good, most of them are just nice and inconspicuous little sippers. The same applies to Ribolla Gialla, although the overall level seems to be a bit better and the best examples tend to be better than the best Arneis wines.

Timorasso, on the other hand, never seems to fail. I've tasted a good handful of them and not a single one has been less than brilliant. Walter Massa's and Claudio Mariotto's single vineyard Timorassos are simply outstanding.

All in all, I've tasted tons and tons of Italian whites and most of them tend to be quite uninteresting and overtly simple stuff. However, the best ones can really blow your socks off. Along with those aforementioned Timorassos, my favorites are:
- Radikon "whites" (or orange wines)
- Borgo del Tiglio Malvasia Istrana
- Colonnara Cuprese Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Classico Riserva (probably not that interesting while young, but extraordinary after 20 years)
- Cantina Terlan Pinot Bianco Vorberg Riserva
- Fattoria San Lorenzo Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Classico Riserva Vigna delle Oche
- Joaquin dall' Isola
- Bibi Graetz Cicala del Giglio
- Suavia Massifitti
- Skerk Vitovska
- Elisabetta Foradori Nosiola
- Sartarelli Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Classico Superiore Balciana
- Lis Fadis Sbilf Friulano
- Ettore Germano Nascetta

I haven't tasted Valentini's Trebbiano, but knowing his Cerasuolos and Montepulcianos, I believe they are nothing short of stunning.
- Nals-Margreid Pinot Bianco Sirmian
Very nice list, Otto. Many of them strangers to me.
1. Agree w/ your take on Timorasso. It can be a profound white.
2. I like Sandi's Vitovska as well. Good balance of skin-contact phenolics and fruit, though I've not got a good
handle on the varietal character of Vitovska...so many of them are made w/ skin-contact, which subverts the varietal character.
But of the Skerk whites, the Ograde is my easy favorite. A profound white.
3. As is Elisabetta's Nosiola.
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Re: What are your top italian whites ?

#50 Post by Laurent Gibet » April 2nd, 2019, 8:49 am

Reading previous notes, I see this very good wine, rated 90/100 two weeks ago :
Umbria Roccafiore Fiorfiore 2015 (grechetto di Todi)
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