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#151 Post by Jeff Leve » April 11th, 2019, 1:47 pm

Jon Chan wrote:
April 11th, 2019, 1:17 pm
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Whelp. Good-bye sanity.

Sucklings scores... https://www.liv-ex.com/2019/04/james-su ... ur-scores/
That's just insanity.
Why? Did you taste those wines?

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#152 Post by Lee Bogdanoff » April 11th, 2019, 4:53 pm

Can't wait for your reviews Jeff. People who listened to you about 2016 Carmes Haut Brion and bought early were handsomely rewarded. I could site many other examples from that and prior vintages.

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#153 Post by Jeff Leve » April 11th, 2019, 5:46 pm

Thanks Lee! Next week I will have about 600 notes up. I am editing now and I am more than slow :) I know there were other wines from 16 that popped as well, but I was not alone on those calls, for example, Canon. If you or anyone likes the style of wine I do, there are a lot of 2018 that rock from every appellation. OK, back to the editing task...

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#154 Post by etomasi » April 11th, 2019, 7:46 pm

Jeff Leve wrote:
April 11th, 2019, 1:47 pm
Jon Chan wrote:
April 11th, 2019, 1:17 pm
etomasi wrote:
April 11th, 2019, 10:54 am
Whelp. Good-bye sanity.

Sucklings scores... https://www.liv-ex.com/2019/04/james-su ... ur-scores/
That's just insanity.
Why? Did you taste those wines?
I was commenting less on the scores and more on the expected forthcoming price increases.
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#155 Post by Sh@n A » April 11th, 2019, 7:47 pm

Shouldn’t a another 100pt vintage depress prices? That ocean of Bordeaux is not getting smaller.
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#156 Post by Mark Golodetz » April 11th, 2019, 7:58 pm

Historically when two “great” vintages follow one another, the futures campaign, the second tends to be slightly lackluster. Following 1989, the 1990s struggled, 2010 did not sell out immediately, and the futures for 2016 have been ok but not great.

So I suspect 2018 as the third vintage of the century in four may also struggle, especially as the 100 point scale has been devalued with so many 100 point scores.
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#157 Post by Jeff Leve » April 12th, 2019, 8:50 am

etomasi wrote:
April 11th, 2019, 7:46 pm
Jeff Leve wrote:
April 11th, 2019, 1:47 pm
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That's just insanity.
Why? Did you taste those wines?
I was commenting less on the scores and more on the expected forthcoming price increases.

Sorry, my comment was to Jon Chan, who I am hoping will respond.

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#158 Post by Mark Golodetz » April 16th, 2019, 3:39 am

The first of the major players released their 2018, L’Angelus. Retail in London, it is being offered at £3000, which is about $3900. That is 16% below 2017 and 16% below 2016.
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#159 Post by crickey » April 16th, 2019, 6:26 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
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The first of the major players released their 2018, L’Angelus. Retail in London, it is being offered at £3000, which is about $3900. That is 16% below 2017 and 16% below 2016.
$359/bottle in US; $355 at Zachys. About $12 less than 2016.
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#160 Post by YLee » April 16th, 2019, 7:11 am

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#161 Post by Brian Thorne » April 16th, 2019, 10:37 am

crickey wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 6:26 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 3:39 am
The first of the major players released their 2018, L’Angelus. Retail in London, it is being offered at £3000, which is about $3900. That is 16% below 2017 and 16% below 2016.
$359/bottle in US; $355 at Zachys. About $12 less than 2016.
Interesting...the 2015 Angelus is $30 cheaper, and in stock! I remember Jeff Leve rated it 100. It doesn't make sense to me to shell out $30 extra per bottle for the '18 Angelus, wait for 2+ years for delivery and assume all the risk, when the "perfect" '15 is in stock.

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#162 Post by DanielP » April 16th, 2019, 10:50 am

Brian Thorne wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 10:37 am
crickey wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 6:26 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 3:39 am
The first of the major players released their 2018, L’Angelus. Retail in London, it is being offered at £3000, which is about $3900. That is 16% below 2017 and 16% below 2016.
$359/bottle in US; $355 at Zachys. About $12 less than 2016.
Interesting...the 2015 Angelus is $30 cheaper, and in stock! I remember Jeff Leve rated it 100. It doesn't make sense to me to shell out $30 extra per bottle for the '18 Angelus, wait for 2+ years for delivery and assume all the risk, when the "perfect" '15 is in stock.
The brilliance of EP - Makes you consider buying wine that doesn't seem so overpriced in comparison.

I lied - I may very well buy a bit of 2018 EP if pricing gets close to 2015 levels. While elegant and low alcohol is in, I think big, concentrated, tannic, and high alcohol actually sounds pretty fun to mix things up.

After all, don't the negociants need a well priced vintage? I don't have a true understanding of the system, but how is the negociant business sustainable with so much capital tied up in Bordeaux vintages that aren't in high demand?
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#163 Post by Jim Hartten » April 16th, 2019, 1:42 pm

Some initial wines releasing prices per Farr Vintners website. So let the games begin! [cheers.gif] I suspect I will buy 1-2 wines at some point. [stirthepothal.gif]

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#164 Post by YLee » April 16th, 2019, 3:34 pm

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#165 Post by Todd F r e n c h » April 16th, 2019, 3:37 pm

I can't recall hype this intense on a Bordeaux vintage since probably 2005
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#166 Post by Josh Grossman » April 16th, 2019, 4:08 pm

Jeff Leve wrote:
April 11th, 2019, 5:46 pm
Thanks Lee! Next week I will have about 600 notes up. I am editing now and I am more than slow :) I know there were other wines from 16 that popped as well, but I was not alone on those calls, for example, Canon. If you or anyone likes the style of wine I do, there are a lot of 2018 that rock from every appellation. OK, back to the editing task...
Thanks for what you do. I do scour your notes for 'best ever' values.

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#167 Post by Todd F r e n c h » April 16th, 2019, 4:12 pm

Josh Grossman wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:08 pm
Jeff Leve wrote:
April 11th, 2019, 5:46 pm
Thanks Lee! Next week I will have about 600 notes up. I am editing now and I am more than slow :) I know there were other wines from 16 that popped as well, but I was not alone on those calls, for example, Canon. If you or anyone likes the style of wine I do, there are a lot of 2018 that rock from every appellation. OK, back to the editing task...
Thanks for what you do. I do scour your notes for 'best ever' values.
Agreed - I love Jeff's website. Need to subscribe...
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#168 Post by Sh@n A » April 16th, 2019, 4:29 pm

Jeff, how do you define your style? I'm responding to the comment you made, "If you or anyone likes the style of wine I do". Also, thank you for your tasting note contributions; they are appreciated.
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#169 Post by Tom Reddick » April 16th, 2019, 9:59 pm

Mark Golodetz wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 3:39 am
The first of the major players released their 2018, L’Angelus. Retail in London, it is being offered at £3000, which is about $3900. That is 16% below 2017 and 16% below 2016.
Wow. If that trend holds, I would say it is significant. Mark- do you recall past situations in the last 25 years where futures pricing came down for a vintage of such high early reputation? I do not.

Let's see what the first growths do, but if they follow suit that is a big move IMHO- and yet one sign (and a big one this time) that recent market pricing growth is not sustainable.
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#170 Post by Tom Reddick » April 16th, 2019, 10:03 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:12 pm
Josh Grossman wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:08 pm
Jeff Leve wrote:
April 11th, 2019, 5:46 pm
Thanks Lee! Next week I will have about 600 notes up. I am editing now and I am more than slow :) I know there were other wines from 16 that popped as well, but I was not alone on those calls, for example, Canon. If you or anyone likes the style of wine I do, there are a lot of 2018 that rock from every appellation. OK, back to the editing task...
Thanks for what you do. I do scour your notes for 'best ever' values.
Agreed - I love Jeff's website. Need to subscribe...
I think Jeff and I differ tremendously on what constitutes a great Bordeaux (which is in itself a subjective term, admittedly), but I am a very happy subscriber. I most appreciate his scholarly approach. For example a few years back I did a little research project on the Merlot/Cab Franc composition of a string of vintages of Vieux Chateau Certan, and I was able to get all the information I needed from his tasting notes.

Whether or not you agree with some of the higher level philosophy, for any number of good reasons I think Jeff's writings are very much worthy of regular consultation.
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#171 Post by Mark Golodetz » April 17th, 2019, 5:56 am

Tom Reddick wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 10:03 pm
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:12 pm
Josh Grossman wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:08 pm

Thanks for what you do. I do scour your notes for 'best ever' values.
Agreed - I love Jeff's website. Need to subscribe...
I think Jeff and I differ tremendously on what constitutes a great Bordeaux (which is in itself a subjective term, admittedly), but I am a very happy subscriber. I most appreciate his scholarly approach. For example a few years back I did a little research project on the Merlot/Cab Franc composition of a string of vintages of Vieux Chateau Certan, and I was able to get all the information I needed from his tasting notes.

Whether or not you agree with some of the higher level philosophy, for any number of good reasons I think Jeff's writings are very much worthy of regular consultation.

+1. Jeff is a great resource.
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#172 Post by Mark Golodetz » April 17th, 2019, 6:23 am

Tom Reddick wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 9:59 pm
Mark Golodetz wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 3:39 am
The first of the major players released their 2018, L’Angelus. Retail in London, it is being offered at £3000, which is about $3900. That is 16% below 2017 and 16% below 2016.
Wow. If that trend holds, I would say it is significant. Mark- do you recall past situations in the last 25 years where futures pricing came down for a vintage of such high early reputation? I do not.

Let's see what the first growths do, but if they follow suit that is a big move IMHO- and yet one sign (and a big one this time) that recent market pricing growth is not sustainable.

I doubt very much the trend will hold. I understand that after Angelus went for some serious increases in pricing since their promotion, they have not been able to move the wines, and have large stocks unsold. Being the first here and with a restrained price almost guarantees a quick sellout. Hopefully that will be the norm, but I am pretty sure that most will be at least at 2016 pricing.
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#173 Post by Jon Chan » April 17th, 2019, 6:45 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 6:23 am
Tom Reddick wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 9:59 pm
Mark Golodetz wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 3:39 am
The first of the major players released their 2018, L’Angelus. Retail in London, it is being offered at £3000, which is about $3900. That is 16% below 2017 and 16% below 2016.
Wow. If that trend holds, I would say it is significant. Mark- do you recall past situations in the last 25 years where futures pricing came down for a vintage of such high early reputation? I do not.

Let's see what the first growths do, but if they follow suit that is a big move IMHO- and yet one sign (and a big one this time) that recent market pricing growth is not sustainable.

I doubt very much the trend will hold. I understand that after Angelus went for some serious increases in pricing since their promotion, they have not been able to move the wines, and have large stocks unsold. Being the first here and with a restrained price almost guarantees a quick sellout. Hopefully that will be the norm, but I am pretty sure that most will be at least at 2016 pricing.
Wouldn't that logic hold for many other wines, beyond Angelus?

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#174 Post by crickey » April 17th, 2019, 7:04 am

Jon Chan wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 6:45 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 6:23 am

I doubt very much the trend will hold. I understand that after Angelus went for some serious increases in pricing since their promotion, they have not been able to move the wines, and have large stocks unsold. Being the first here and with a restrained price almost guarantees a quick sellout. Hopefully that will be the norm, but I am pretty sure that most will be at least at 2016 pricing.
Wouldn't that logic hold for many other wines, beyond Angelus?
Not if the marginal pricing for Angelus is too high. Mark is suggesting that Angelus (and Pavie) went for aspirational pricing (somewhere below Cheval Blanc and Ausone and above Figeac, Troplong Mondot and Canon) that hasn't been supported by demand at those prices. So the pricing needs to come down to move product in the volume Angelus needs.

Speaking for myself, I like Angelus and Pavie quite a bit, but I'm not a buyer at the $350+ price range. I might be a buyer at the $200-250 price range, or around what I think Figeac and maybe Canon will be (Canon will start lower, but end up around $200+). I occasionally get tempted by Cheval Blanc at $600 because every now and then I want to drink a label for a special occasion. This is their dilemma: people shopping on quality comparison won't buy it because similar or better alternatives are available for less, and label shoppers/collectors won't be tempted because the name doesn't promise appreciation (in the several senses).
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#175 Post by Jeff Leve » April 17th, 2019, 8:24 am

Sh@n A wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:29 pm
Jeff, how do you define your style? I'm responding to the comment you made, "If you or anyone likes the style of wine I do". Also, thank you for your tasting note contributions; they are appreciated.
Shaun... If you ask me, I'd say, I like good wine. But with over 18,000 tasting notes on my site, the best way to get a good idea of my style is to read a few notes on wines you have also tasted.

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#176 Post by Jeff Leve » April 17th, 2019, 8:33 am

Tom Reddick wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 10:03 pm
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:12 pm
Josh Grossman wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:08 pm

Thanks for what you do. I do scour your notes for 'best ever' values.
Agreed - I love Jeff's website. Need to subscribe...
I think Jeff and I differ tremendously on what constitutes a great Bordeaux (which is in itself a subjective term, admittedly), but I am a very happy subscriber. I most appreciate his scholarly approach. For example a few years back I did a little research project on the Merlot/Cab Franc composition of a string of vintages of Vieux Chateau Certan, and I was able to get all the information I needed from his tasting notes.

Whether or not you agree with some of the higher level philosophy, for any number of good reasons I think Jeff's writings are very much worthy of regular consultation.
Thanks Tom, Mark and Todd for the nice words.

It's not relevant that you or anyone needs to agree with me on scores. That misses the point. We can and probably do like different wines and to varying degrees.

What is paramount remains, did I, with reasonable accuracy describe what you should expect to find in your glass when tasting the same wine? That allows you or others to buy, or avoid buying with confidence.

FWIW, my notes have started appearing on my site today, beginning with Pauillac. https://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/20 ... formation/

I also have a nice vintage summary on the site now as well. Tasting notes for close to 600 wines will be on site shortly.

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#177 Post by David Glasser » April 17th, 2019, 8:39 am

Jeff Leve wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 8:24 am
Sh@n A wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:29 pm
Jeff, how do you define your style? I'm responding to the comment you made, "If you or anyone likes the style of wine I do". Also, thank you for your tasting note contributions; they are appreciated.
Shaun... If you ask me, I'd say, I like good wine. But with over 18,000 tasting notes on my site, the best way to get a good idea of my style is to read a few notes on wines you have also tasted.
I’ll offer a more specific answer, having followed Jeff for a long time. He tends to go for more ripe fruit and is more oak and alcohol tolerant (if they are in proportion) than some of the AFWE-leaning palates around here. He’ll take off points on older wines when the fruit is fading and say they are in decline where some of us necrophiliacs are getting really excited about it.

The real beauty of Jeff's notes is that they make it easy to tell what a wine is like. He doesn’t trash wines that aren’t in his wheelhouse just to be dramatic. He accurately describes them. His winecellarinsider website is a treasure trove of useful and easily searchable information. Having met and drunk with him once, I can add that he’s fun to be around and very generous.

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#178 Post by Todd F r e n c h » April 17th, 2019, 9:00 am

David Glasser wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 8:39 am
Jeff Leve wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 8:24 am
Sh@n A wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 4:29 pm
Jeff, how do you define your style? I'm responding to the comment you made, "If you or anyone likes the style of wine I do". Also, thank you for your tasting note contributions; they are appreciated.
Shaun... If you ask me, I'd say, I like good wine. But with over 18,000 tasting notes on my site, the best way to get a good idea of my style is to read a few notes on wines you have also tasted.
I’ll offer a more specific answer, having followed Jeff for a long time. He tends to go for more ripe fruit and is more oak and alcohol tolerant (if they are in proportion) than some of the AFWE-leaning palates around here. He’ll take off points on older wines when the fruit is fading and say they are in decline where some of us necrophiliacs are getting really excited about it.

The real beauty of Jeff's notes is that they make it easy to tell what a wine is like. He doesn’t trash wines that aren’t in his wheelhouse just to be dramatic. He accurately describes them. His winecellarinsider website is a treasure trove of useful and easily searchable information. Having met and drunk with him once, I can add that he’s fun to be around and very generous.
Though I can't speak to the last statement, the whole of that last paragraph is spot on. The information is delivered in such a way that one doesn't feel talked down to, it's person-to-person in exchange of information, and often extremely handy to read, as it's not blown out of proportion for the sake of sounding academic. It's my go-to site when I need to learn more about Bordeaux, essentially.
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#179 Post by Craig G » April 17th, 2019, 9:32 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 9:00 am
David Glasser wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 8:39 am
The real beauty of Jeff's notes is that they make it easy to tell what a wine is like. He doesn’t trash wines that aren’t in his wheelhouse just to be dramatic. He accurately describes them. His winecellarinsider website is a treasure trove of useful and easily searchable information. Having met and drunk with him once, I can add that he’s fun to be around and very generous.
Though I can't speak to the last statement, the whole of that last paragraph is spot on. The information is delivered in such a way that one doesn't feel talked down to, it's person-to-person in exchange of information, and often extremely handy to read, as it's not blown out of proportion for the sake of sounding academic. It's my go-to site when I need to learn more about Bordeaux, essentially.
I agree with this. My taste doesn’t quite align with Jeff’s but of all the critics I find his notes the most transparent and informative.
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#180 Post by Brian Thorne » April 23rd, 2019, 11:17 am

I saw Liv-Ex posted Jeff Leve's scores; looks like 24 wines rated 98-100!

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#181 Post by Lee Bogdanoff » April 23rd, 2019, 11:25 am

Because of the small 2018 production some of these (Duffau, Carmes) may be difficult to acquire at the 2016-level pricing. A couple others (Violette, L'if) likely will fall into that category as well.

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#182 Post by Jim Hartten » April 23rd, 2019, 11:25 am

Hope to see many of the 2018s releasing at reasonable prices in the coming weeks. [wow.gif] Here is an update from the WS that discusses futures pricing for the 2018s. [cheers.gif]

https://www.winespectator.com/webfeatur ... 2018-Wines

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#183 Post by Jeff Leve » April 23rd, 2019, 11:34 am

Brian Thorne wrote:
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I saw Liv-Ex posted Jeff Leve's scores; looks like 24 wines rated 98-100!

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Thanks for the post. I just saw it a little bit ago. If you or anyone is interested, you can read detailed notes on my site, which sets out a case for each of these wines explaining why I like them so much.

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#184 Post by crickey » April 23rd, 2019, 11:35 am

Wine Advocate report came out. As it is one of the few I can see the full report, rather than just the scores on the high-scoring wines, it was an interesting read. It sounds like a very tricky vintage to manage.
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#185 Post by J Dove » April 23rd, 2019, 5:38 pm

Jürgen Steinke wrote:
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By the way: I just stumbled across a vote from the famous Henry Jayer.
"A good wine is always a good wine. It doest need excuses". (Like too young etc.)
I thought this fits into our recent discussion.
That's so, so true -- depending on who is tasting the wine. lol
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#186 Post by C Chen » April 26th, 2019, 9:41 am

I'll be buying some 2018 futures. I'll likely use Total Wine since I like their prices and 50% down method, but I'd love to hear about other preferred options.
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#187 Post by Jim Hartten » April 26th, 2019, 10:24 am

Here are a few notable U.S. stores for buying Bordeaux futures:

MacArthur Beverages, DC
Gordon's Fine Wine, Boston
Millesima, NYC
B21, FL
Binny's, Chicago
K & L, CA

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#188 Post by Sh@n A » April 26th, 2019, 10:26 am

Don’t forget JJ Buckley
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#189 Post by C Chen » April 26th, 2019, 10:37 am

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#190 Post by YLee » April 26th, 2019, 10:54 am

What are people thinking of buying? I narrowed my choices to 3 but that can change.
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#191 Post by C Chen » April 26th, 2019, 11:27 am

YLee wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 10:54 am
What are people thinking of buying? I narrowed my choices to 3 but that can change.
Pichon Lalande and La Mission Haut Brion. Eventually Latour, but I doubt it.
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#192 Post by Jeff Leve » April 26th, 2019, 11:46 am

YLee wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 10:54 am
What are people thinking of buying? I narrowed my choices to 3 but that can change.
There are close to 600 wine tasting notes on my site from 2018. You might want to look those over to help you decide

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#193 Post by YLee » April 26th, 2019, 12:07 pm

Jeff Leve wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 11:46 am
YLee wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 10:54 am
What are people thinking of buying? I narrowed my choices to 3 but that can change.
There are close to 600 wine tasting notes on my site from 2018. You might want to look those over to help you decide
Yup, I read your site. It's informative. [thumbs-up.gif]
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#194 Post by Marc Frontario » April 26th, 2019, 12:20 pm

I don't put numerical scores on wine anymore...if I did, I'm still not sure I've experienced a 100 point wine....
yet 100pt scores get dished out like its candy ...the 100 point score is competely devalued by the parody...Mark G is correct on this

I like Jeff Leve..he is generally civil and diplomatic in his discussion...his web site is a killer resource for history & background of all the great wines..but his scores :-o
...oy vey, I get exhausted from all the eye-rolling.
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#195 Post by Jeff Leve » April 26th, 2019, 1:31 pm

Marc Frontario wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 12:20 pm
I don't put numerical scores on wine anymore...if I did, I'm still not sure I've experienced a 100 point wine....
yet 100pt scores get dished out like its candy ...the 100 point score is competely devalued by the parody...Mark G is correct on this

I like Jeff Leve..he is generally civil and diplomatic in his discussion...his web site is a killer resource for history & background of all the great wines..but his scores :-o
...oy vey, I get exhausted from all the eye-rolling.
Thanks for the nice words Mark. I have no idea what it works out to on other sites, but out of close to 19,000 tasting notes, I have 187 wines that have hit 100 Pts. Do you really think that is dishing out triple-digit scores like candy?

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#196 Post by Mark Golodetz » April 26th, 2019, 1:51 pm

I am struck by the fact that almost every writer/merchant all talk about how heterogenous the vintage is, yet I see extremely high scores by all the major players, and have yet to see any failures.
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#197 Post by R0$$ M 0 R R 1 $ 0 N » April 26th, 2019, 3:29 pm

Mike Reff wrote:
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Yawn.. thought 2005 was the vintage of the century..

Can I go back to sleep now?
No, 2000 was the vintage of the century until 2005...

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#198 Post by crickey » April 26th, 2019, 3:58 pm

Mark Golodetz wrote:
April 26th, 2019, 1:51 pm
I am struck by the fact that almost every writer/merchant all talk about how heterogenous the vintage is, yet I see extremely high scores by all the major players, and have yet to see any failures.
Lisa Perotti-Brown addressed this. She said it was a high-risk/high-reward vintage, where those who managed the risks well were rewarded with fabulous wines and those who didn't...weren't. She described oceans of mediocre wines and many failures (which she described as flabby, over-alcoholic, or raisined wines), but also noted that that fact wasn't reflected well in her report as the (700) wines she wrote about from the en premieur tastings tended to focus on the wines that were successes. I would add that the 60-70 estates we focus on have the money to have managed the risks well, and so we are seeing a disproportionate amount of (potentially) great wines.
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#199 Post by Tom Chen » April 26th, 2019, 4:32 pm

Was going to stay on the sidelines for 2018 Bordeaux and have not bought futures since the 2015 (and only Clinet).

However, based on a Wine Exchange offer today (and sanity check on Wine Cellar Insider (agree with others that it is a very informative site and Jeff's tastes are generally aligned with mine)), I bought some Laroque. Pretty low priced St. Emilion that sounds like it should drink well fairly early on. Hopefully, that will be the end of 2018 futures.

Definitely don't want to buy long aging wines at this point of my existence.

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#200 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » April 26th, 2019, 5:34 pm

Told my grade school boys to buy this in about 15 years.

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