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2018 Bordeaux.

#1 Post by Victor Hong » March 28th, 2019, 3:20 am

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#2 Post by barrytfreeman » March 28th, 2019, 5:29 am

I’m shocked — the wineries espouse the latest vintage as the best ever.

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#3 Post by B Thorne » March 28th, 2019, 7:36 am

Safe to say there was absolutely nothing to take away from that article.
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#4 Post by Tom Reddick » March 28th, 2019, 7:39 am

Bordeaux after 2016 does not exist. This thread does not exist. I cannot be tempted to purchase that which does not exist.
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#5 Post by Victor Hong » March 28th, 2019, 7:43 am

Tom Reddick wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 7:39 am
Bordeaux after 2016 does not exist. This thread does not exist. I cannot be tempted to purchase that which does not exist.
People buy such Bordeaux with money which does not exist. [wow.gif]
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#6 Post by PCLIN » March 28th, 2019, 7:50 am

Didn’t click but my guess is that it’s going to be vintage of the century.
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#7 Post by Glen Gold » March 28th, 2019, 8:15 am

Nice quotation:

Clyde Beffa, of the Bay Area’s K&L Wine Merchants, and his four buyers will be looking “for anything reasonably priced.” But he’s doubtful anything will be. “The Bordelais,” he says, “never get it right.”
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#8 Post by Brian Thorne » March 28th, 2019, 9:42 am

Jeff Leve is quoted “2018 will be regarded as one of the great Bordeaux vintages”

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#9 Post by JohnP » March 28th, 2019, 12:22 pm

B Thorne wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 7:36 am
Safe to say there was absolutely nothing to take away from that article.
Lol, was thinking the same thing.
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#10 Post by Jon Chan » March 28th, 2019, 1:23 pm

Bordelais translations:

Vintage of the century: good vintage (2015, 2016)
Will not be vintage of the century: awful don't buy (2017)

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#11 Post by Mont Stern » March 28th, 2019, 4:53 pm

Buy Burgundy instead. [winner.gif]
https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/burg ... 47-404473/

We were in Burgundy this fall and whether it rivals 1947 remains to be seen but after a number of difficult vintages there were a lot of happy winemakers that we spoke with. I let their exuberance rub off and bought a barrel in the Hospice de Beaune auction after we came home. [cheers.gif]

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#12 Post by Glen Gold » March 28th, 2019, 5:09 pm

Brian Thorne wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 9:42 am
Jeff Leve is quoted “2018 will be regarded as one of the great Bordeaux vintages”
If you follow Jeff on Instagram, he has some caveats to that -- he says it's uneven, but the highs are pretty high.

He hasn't spelled out what the lows are yet.

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#13 Post by Jeff Leve » March 28th, 2019, 5:30 pm

It’s late and I need sleep. Bottom line is, 2018 is a good vintage with some great wines! AFWE might not like them, but at their best, I love them!

Sort of a cross between 16 and 09. Wines are richer, darker and some are higher in alcohol and extract than 09, but acidities are higher, so the wines feel brighter.

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#14 Post by Sh@n A » March 28th, 2019, 6:00 pm

Mont Stern wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 4:53 pm
Buy Burgundy instead. [winner.gif]
https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/burg ... 47-404473/

We were in Burgundy this fall and whether it rivals 1947 remains to be seen but after a number of difficult vintages there were a lot of happy winemakers that we spoke with. I let their exuberance rub off and bought a barrel in the Hospice de Beaune auction after we came home. [cheers.gif]
At the Paulee 2016 tastings, Bichot said it was too early to tell, but 2018 had the possibility to be as good or better than 2015-16. He was legitimately excited to taste stuff after bottling to see how it shakes out.
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#15 Post by DanielP » March 28th, 2019, 7:17 pm

Until EP prices fall below 2015, I'm not buying
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#16 Post by Tom Reddick » March 28th, 2019, 9:02 pm

Victor Hong wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 7:43 am
Tom Reddick wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 7:39 am
Bordeaux after 2016 does not exist. This thread does not exist. I cannot be tempted to purchase that which does not exist.
People buy such Bordeaux with money which does not exist. [wow.gif]
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#17 Post by YLee » March 29th, 2019, 5:58 am

I will buy just a few bottles no matter what happens as a gift.
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#18 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 29th, 2019, 6:04 am

In all the vintage of the century nonsense, the lovely, classic 2014s have been largely forgotten. I just bought 5 magnums of the Canon for $135 each, and if you look hard there are still deals to be had.
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#19 Post by YLee » March 29th, 2019, 6:07 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 6:04 am
In all the vintage of the century nonsense, the lovely, classic 2014s have been largely forgotten. I just bought 5 magnums of the Canon for $135 each, and if you look hard there are still deals to be had.
Agreed. 2014 has a lot of value. I would love to buy that canon only if I knew more people that drink red wines.
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#20 Post by Jim Hartten » March 29th, 2019, 7:12 am

Thanks for posting the article. I have been looking forward to reading about the 2018 trade tastings starting in Bordeaux. I have also read some who say that 18s may resemble 2003s, which means buyer beware! [snort.gif] But I am interested in seeing how a few long time favorites have done and hope to pick up a few bottles if the prices don't spike. [cheers.gif]

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#21 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 29th, 2019, 7:26 am

14 was the last new vintage of bdx I bought in any quantity and everything I have tried so far has been terrific. Others can have 15-infinity
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#22 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 29th, 2019, 7:40 am

Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 7:26 am
14 was the last new vintage of bdx I bought in any quantity and everything I have tried so far has been terrific. Others can have 15-infinity
Me too.

Very very tempting with 2015 and 2016 out there with considerable praise across the board, but better at age 53 to backfill.

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#23 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » March 29th, 2019, 11:30 am

Glen Gold wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 8:15 am
Nice quotation:

Clyde Beffa, of the Bay Area’s K&L Wine Merchants, and his four buyers will be looking “for anything reasonably priced.” But he’s doubtful anything will be. “The Bordelais,” he says, “never get it right.”
Somehow they've managed to get extremely rich despite that.

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#24 Post by Alex Rychlewski » March 29th, 2019, 11:56 am

Excellent point Marcus :-).

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#25 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 29th, 2019, 1:42 pm

Sounds like 2018 will be an easy pass for me.
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#26 Post by Jeff Leve » March 29th, 2019, 2:45 pm

Jim Hartten wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 7:12 am
I have also read some who say that 18s may resemble 2003s, which means buyer beware! [snort.gif] But I am interested in seeing how a few long time favorites have done and hope to pick up a few bottles if the prices don't spike. [cheers.gif]
Can I ask who had written that? I ask because it’s not true, or possible IMO from tasting a lot of wine in 2018.

03 was hot, morning, noon and night, as well as dry.

18 during the summer was warm and dry, with cool nights. Those are quite different conditions.

None of that means you will or won’t like the wines, but they aren’t like 03.

One thing I’d certain, these are not wines for Alfret! 😁

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#27 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 29th, 2019, 4:00 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
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Sounds like 2018 will be an easy pass for me.
This is why I sometimes find this board a little irritating. It is way too early to make pronouncement either on the quality of the vintage, or what is going to be the pricing on it. Not only have the tastings barely started, but some of the information written here is completely wrong.

I am sure there are plenty of reasons why you wouldn’t buy Brian, such as budget, too many wines in the cellar, saving up for a vacation in San Sebastián, but if you are not buying because of the quality of the vintage or the cost, you must have information that nobody else has.
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#28 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 29th, 2019, 5:16 pm

If what Jeff wrote in Post 13 is accurate, then I'll be out. Doesn't sound to be my style. Would rather backfill '14s and '16s.

I trust Jeff.

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#29 Post by David_K » March 29th, 2019, 5:50 pm

I think people are overestimating the fruitiness of 2015. It's still Bordeaux.
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#30 Post by Mike Reff » March 29th, 2019, 8:00 pm

Yawn.. thought 2005 was the vintage of the century..

Can I go back to sleep now?

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#31 Post by Howard Cooper » March 30th, 2019, 4:46 am

Mike Reff wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 8:00 pm
Yawn.. thought 2005 was the vintage of the century..

Can I go back to sleep now?
We are very fortunate. Used to be that vintages of the century happened once a century, now we get them proclaimed just about every third year by the Bordeaux trade and their wine writer and blogger lackies.
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#32 Post by Howard Cooper » March 30th, 2019, 4:49 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 4:00 pm


This is why I sometimes find this board a little irritating. It is way too early to make pronouncement either on the quality of the vintage, or what is going to be the pricing on it. Not only have the tastings barely started, but some of the information written here is completely wrong.

In a little over a month, we will all be bombarded with offerings to purchase these wines as futures. Doesn't this mean that board members have to make at least initial calls very, very soon on the quality of the vintage? If it is too early to make such pronouncements, then it is too early to sell the wines.

But, hey, what more do we need to know. Leve calls the vintage great (yet again). Isn't that enough? Buy, buy, buy, buy, buy. Believe the hype.
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#33 Post by Mike Reff » March 30th, 2019, 5:50 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 4:46 am
Mike Reff wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 8:00 pm
Yawn.. thought 2005 was the vintage of the century..

Can I go back to sleep now?
We are very fortunate. Used to be that vintages of the century happened once a century, now we get them proclaimed just about every third year by the Bordeaux trade and their wine writer and blogger lackies.
The reality is that there is no way to even proclaim 'vintage of the century' However, I would put more faith in people who taste and re-taste certain vintages of the 20th century and then possibly proclaim 'vintage of the century' Unfortunately we will all be dead before it happens for the 21st.

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#34 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 30th, 2019, 5:56 am

Perhaps, why not wait until the wines have been tasted, and the mass of critics opine. Better than a blanket statement of support from Jeff Leve, and even he says the vintage is heterogenous.

Personally I am already buying into the hype of the 2021 vintage.
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#35 Post by Victor Hong » March 30th, 2019, 5:57 am

Mike Reff wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 5:50 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 4:46 am
Mike Reff wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 8:00 pm
Yawn.. thought 2005 was the vintage of the century..

Can I go back to sleep now?
We are very fortunate. Used to be that vintages of the century happened once a century, now we get them proclaimed just about every third year by the Bordeaux trade and their wine writer and blogger lackies.
The reality is that there is no way to even proclaim 'vintage of the century' However, I would put more faith in people who taste and re-taste certain vintages of the 20th century and then possibly proclaim 'vintage of the century' Unfortunately we will all be dead before it happens for the 21st.
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#36 Post by Howard Cooper » March 30th, 2019, 6:06 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 5:56 am
Perhaps, why not wait until the wines have been tasted, and the mass of critics opine. Better than a blanket statement of support from Jeff Leve, and even he says the vintage is heterogenous.

Personally I am already buying into the hype of the 2021 vintage.
Great. Can I buy futures yet.
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#37 Post by YLee » March 30th, 2019, 6:40 am

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#38 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 30th, 2019, 7:51 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 6:06 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 5:56 am
Perhaps, why not wait until the wines have been tasted, and the mass of critics opine. Better than a blanket statement of support from Jeff Leve, and even he says the vintage is heterogenous.

Personally I am already buying into the hype of the 2021 vintage.
Great. Can I buy futures yet.
I understand that options for future vintages will soon be available on [headbang.gif] Livex.

Given my take on the future, I will be selling short
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#39 Post by Mike Reff » March 30th, 2019, 7:52 am

Victor Hong wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 5:57 am
Mike Reff wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 5:50 am
Howard Cooper wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 4:46 am


We are very fortunate. Used to be that vintages of the century happened once a century, now we get them proclaimed just about every third year by the Bordeaux trade and their wine writer and blogger lackies.
The reality is that there is no way to even proclaim 'vintage of the century' However, I would put more faith in people who taste and re-taste certain vintages of the 20th century and then possibly proclaim 'vintage of the century' Unfortunately we will all be dead before it happens for the 21st.
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#40 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » March 30th, 2019, 8:29 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 4:46 am
Mike Reff wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 8:00 pm
Yawn.. thought 2005 was the vintage of the century..

Can I go back to sleep now?
We are very fortunate. Used to be that vintages of the century happened once a century, now we get them proclaimed just about every third year by the Bordeaux trade and their wine writer and blogger lackies.
Isn’t it almost up to every other year being a vintage of the century?

14 vintages starting in 2005

2005, 2009, 2010, 2015, 2016, 2018 — that’s six all time great vintages out of fourteen. Not half but close. Bordeaux hype machine humming along in overdrive!

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#41 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 30th, 2019, 8:50 am

2018 has not yet been designated a VOTC yet, and I am not sure it will be. If one bank is felt to be weaker than the other, it won’t be. If there are too many underperforming wines it won’t be. Jury is still out.

Also it is only fair to go back to 2000, and then you have a fairer picture. Nobody would accuse 201-2004 to be VOTCs, so that brings down the percentage.
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#42 Post by Jürgen Steinke » March 30th, 2019, 9:43 am

Did somebody claim this is the vintage of the century? I didn't hear or read something like that so far. So why this debate? Due to the weather in 2018 I am pretty sure some Chateaux made superb wines. For those who like less ripeness 2008, 2012 and 2014 are good options. So why all these complaints, the drama and the sarcasm?

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#43 Post by YLee » March 30th, 2019, 10:06 am

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Did somebody claim this is the vintage of the century? I didn't hear or read something like that so far. So why this debate? Due to the weather in 2018 I am pretty sure some Chateaux made superb wines. For those who like less ripeness 2008, 2012 and 2014 are good options. So why all these complaints, the drama and the sarcasm?
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#44 Post by Glen Gold » March 30th, 2019, 10:27 am

YLee wrote:
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#45 Post by YLee » March 30th, 2019, 10:28 am

Glen Gold wrote:
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YLee wrote:
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#46 Post by A Songeur » March 30th, 2019, 10:30 am

For Bordeaux wines, it seems alcohol will be very high and style is not my favourite... so an easy pass for me although I appreciate it will mean missing some great wines...

For Burgundy wines, having read the decanter article, it will also be an easy pass for many wines as I am not getting any younger plus this often means buying the wines you have an allocation without tasting them.
However, I will still buy a few top producers I cherish... probably going down in range whenever possible.
(I don't fancy 16 degrees Bonnes Mares... hope my favorite producers picked up early...)
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#47 Post by David Glasser » March 30th, 2019, 11:09 am

I’m out.
My wife says we already have too much Bordeaux in the cellar.
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#48 Post by Jeff Leve » March 30th, 2019, 11:15 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 5:56 am
Perhaps, why not wait until the wines have been tasted, and the mass of critics opine. Better than a blanket statement of support from Jeff Leve, and even he says the vintage is heterogenous.

Personally I am already buying into the hype of the 2021 vintage.
It can’t really be a blanket statement of support if I said it was uneven.

Having actually tasted close to 400 wines, there are some wines in this vintage that set a new standard for Bordeaux! There are wines in this vintage that are clearly the best ever from some estates.

This is not only at the high end. There are stunning wines that will be under $50 and several gems will be under $40!

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#49 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 30th, 2019, 11:46 am

I missed something. The only ppl I see talking about "vintage of the century" are those making fun of people calling it the vintage of the century. So who has proclaimed it the Vintage of the Century? The article at Victor's blind link certainly didn't.
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#50 Post by Jürgen Steinke » March 30th, 2019, 12:00 pm

Jeff,

what do you mean when you say a new standard for Bordeaux?

Can a Bordeaux wine be better than a pristine 1961 Latour on the Left Bank and a pristine 1982 Lafleur on the Right Bank? Isn't this claim a bit overdone because the wines are still not in bottle? Not to speak about the test of time? As I said I am sure due to the weather some very fine wines must be produced but to say a new standard for Bordeaux is something similar to vintage of the century so feeding hype.

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