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Fevre: Checking In

#1 Post by p@ulbortin » March 22nd, 2019, 6:38 pm

Most of my 2002 Fevre Chablis across all of the Crus were heavily pre-moxed and I haven’t picked up a bottle since.

Has the situation improved?

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#2 Post by Kelly Walker » March 22nd, 2019, 6:53 pm

I gave up on them. I will let others to experiment. Maybe come back when a track record is established. But qpr is degrading as well.
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#3 Post by Jeremy C » March 22nd, 2019, 7:07 pm

My hope is that 2010 (when Fevre went to DIAM for all bottlings) and beyond that the successes are consistent and worthwhile.
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#4 Post by PHuff » March 22nd, 2019, 7:21 pm

A bottle of 2004 Les Preuses that I had about 4 months ago was amazing........A classic Chablis which had mellowed over the years, with added weight, but still had cut and balance. I have one more but wish I had another 6........
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#5 Post by Dale Bowers » March 22nd, 2019, 7:26 pm

A 2009 Preusus I had over the last two days was spot on.
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#6 Post by Sanjay Nandurkar » March 22nd, 2019, 7:30 pm

I purchased a few Fevre Les Clos 2014 after a long hiatus. I opened one bottle last year and it was stunning. If I recall correctly, it was under Diam. A Bouchard Chevalier 2010 under diam last year looked very very young. So I am hoping Fevre (which is under the same umbrella) may survive a bit longer than previously.

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#7 Post by Mark Y » March 22nd, 2019, 8:08 pm

had a 2013 Preuses that i bought from the winery when i visited. nothing wrong with it but kinda boring..
not sure if it's vintage?
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#8 Post by john stimson » March 22nd, 2019, 8:16 pm

We had the 2004 Preuses recently--not clearly premoxed, but a lot of appley ripeness that seemed atypical, and I wouldn't have identified it as Chablis. That doesn't answer the question, though. I quit buying and haven't tried to age any recently. however, since the complete switch to diam, there seem to be fewer reports of premox since 2010, as opposed to a number of other producers.

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#9 Post by c fu » March 22nd, 2019, 8:49 pm

No issues since Diam. Same as jadot.
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#10 Post by p@ulbortin » March 22nd, 2019, 9:57 pm

Thanks everyone.

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#11 Post by dsimmons » March 23rd, 2019, 12:34 pm

I have actually had decent luck with Fevre Chablis but I have stopped buying all white Burg because of premox problems overall.
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#12 Post by dr0ch » March 23rd, 2019, 2:47 pm

Maybe just me, but I've had substantially more advanced/oxidized bottles of Clos than any other of the Fevre grand crus. Mostly 04, 07 and 08 vintages.
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#13 Post by Eric Lundblad » March 23rd, 2019, 3:25 pm

c fu wrote:
March 22nd, 2019, 8:49 pm
No issues since Diam. Same as jadot.
This is my experience with Fevre as well....starting with 07 for 1er crus and 2010 adding the grand crus. I had a 10 Fevre 1er Mont de Milieu last month that was excellent.

Looks like there's something similar to Diam out now. Trefinos, a spanish cork company esp for sparkling wine, is making a cork that hits the same points...Supercritical CO2 to remove taints, controlled oxygen transmission at different levels (via microspheres), and a higher cork % than Diam apparently. Looks interesting.
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#14 Post by craig v » March 24th, 2019, 8:02 am

So far the 2010s have been stellar.
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My hope is that 2010 (when Fevre went to DIAM for all bottlings) and beyond that the successes are consistent and worthwhile.
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#15 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » March 24th, 2019, 8:13 am

I didn’t go back to Fevre until 2012, it no issues so far.
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#16 Post by Robert Love » March 24th, 2019, 11:11 am

dr0ch wrote:
March 23rd, 2019, 2:47 pm
Maybe just me, but I've had substantially more advanced/oxidized bottles of Clos than any other of the Fevre grand crus. Mostly 04, 07 and 08 vintages.
Same here. 2008 Les Clos was the worst: 10 out of 12 bottles in the case were oxidized.

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#17 Post by B. Buzzini » March 24th, 2019, 1:12 pm

At first, I thought this was going to be a thread with a bunch of notes from Jon Favre! flirtysmile

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#18 Post by Nowell Karten » March 25th, 2019, 1:18 am

Eric Lundblad wrote:
March 23rd, 2019, 3:25 pm
c fu wrote:
March 22nd, 2019, 8:49 pm
No issues since Diam.
This is my experience with Fevre as well....starting with 07 for 1er crus and 2010 adding the grand crus.
I haven't had any premoxed post-Diam Fevre either, though my experience isn't vast. Coincidentally, at a recent tasting with Fevre Cellar Master Didier Séguier, I asked him when he thought the 2010 Les Clos might be good to go, as I have a few in my locker. In the course of his answer, if I recall correctly, he said something like, "and they're under Diam, so there's no worry about premox." While I'm unconvinced that premox can be eliminated just by using Diam or similar "corks," the results seem encouraging at least for Fevre.

As an aside, I think Fevre's 2017s are excellent, though I might be biased as I work for someone who sells them.
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#19 Post by Huai-Yi, Huang » March 25th, 2019, 1:57 am

I have had 08 Les Clos & 08 Vaudesir last month. Both of them show no sign of premox and have great potential for further aging.

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#20 Post by alan weinberg » March 25th, 2019, 7:22 am

Fevre 17 offer hit inbox this am. Doubt I will resist.

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#21 Post by Dav1d S@wyer » March 25th, 2019, 7:56 am

Kelly Walker wrote:
March 22nd, 2019, 6:53 pm
But qpr is degrading as well.
Yep.

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#22 Post by Jim Stewart » March 25th, 2019, 9:01 am

Coincidentally, yesterday I did a taste-off of two Chablis and posted a TN. Both were around $25, the 2017 Domaine offering of Fevre one of them. I found this thread afterwards. Interesting stuff, some beyond me, but FWIW here is a pic of the two corks (which I just dug out of the trash). The Fevre diam is on the right.
The 2015 Laroche was disappointing, and I wonder if it is possible to deduce early stages of premox in such a youngish wine. The color was slightly yellow but not dark by any means;the flavor was "empty". BTW the Fevre was mighty tasty!
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#23 Post by Eric Lundblad » March 25th, 2019, 9:20 pm

Nowell Karten wrote:
March 25th, 2019, 1:18 am
Eric Lundblad wrote:
March 23rd, 2019, 3:25 pm
c fu wrote:
March 22nd, 2019, 8:49 pm
No issues since Diam.
This is my experience with Fevre as well....starting with 07 for 1er crus and 2010 adding the grand crus.
I haven't had any premoxed post-Diam Fevre either, though my experience isn't vast. Coincidentally, at a recent tasting with Fevre Cellar Master Didier Séguier, I asked him when he thought the 2010 Les Clos might be good to go, as I have a few in my locker. In the course of his answer, if I recall correctly, he said something like, "and they're under Diam, so there's no worry about premox." While I'm unconvinced that premox can be eliminated just by using Diam or similar "corks," the results seem encouraging at least for Fevre.

As an aside, I think Fevre's 2017s are excellent, though I might be biased as I work for someone who sells them.
Despite Didier's statement/implication, I don't think Fevre would claim that Diam is solely responsible for their premox turn around. Fevre was fairly up front, esp compared to many other problem domaines, that they had problems and that they were taking a number of different steps to address it. A new superlow dissolved oxygen bottling machine for example, and higher sulfur levels both during elevage and at bottling (occasionally a bit high), and other steps. I doubt they would have been successful without taking those prior steps...but Diam does seems like an essential part of their solution.
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