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Re: Scarecrow OWC Issues?

#51 Post by Scott Brunson » March 25th, 2019, 12:54 pm

I got three 3-pks
They seem fine, but I didn't play with them much.
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#52 Post by Loren Sonkin » March 26th, 2019, 10:45 am

I got an e-mail from them saying they switched to a more expensive packaging this year, but it didn't function well with the styro (or whatever that stuff is) that holds it in place during shipping. They will ship new boxes but are asking that if we want the vintage tag to transfer that ourselves. Its fine with me. Shit happens. Plus, I drink my bottles.
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#53 Post by Bdklein » March 26th, 2019, 10:50 am

Loren Sonkin wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 10:45 am
I got an e-mail from them saying they switched to a more expensive packaging this year, but it didn't function well with the styro (or whatever that stuff is) that holds it in place during shipping. They will ship new boxes but are asking that if we want the vintage tag to transfer that ourselves. Its fine with me. Shit happens. Plus, I drink my bottles.
Thanks . What’s the vintage tag?
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#54 Post by Victor Hong » March 26th, 2019, 11:05 am

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My two OWCs came completely broken. Wood fell apart and some bottle damage. I've spoken to several friends who had similar experiences today. The wood seems cheaper this year and the packing is sub par.

Anyone else experience this today?
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#55 Post by blarmston » March 26th, 2019, 12:21 pm

Mine arrives tomorrow. Along with the Maybach. Giggity...
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#56 Post by KyleC » March 26th, 2019, 1:43 pm

Glad I wasn't in wave 1. Picking mine up from Vinfillment sometime in April. I'm assuming mine will have survived the 30 min drive from the winery to the distribution center...
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#57 Post by Bob G » March 26th, 2019, 2:11 pm

Thanks . What’s the vintage tag?
A small oval, flat piece of brass that has the vintage date engraved on it. It's affixed to the front of the case. See the case image on the previous page in this thread.
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#58 Post by adam landa » March 26th, 2019, 2:11 pm

Loren Sonkin wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 10:45 am
I got an e-mail from them saying they switched to a more expensive packaging this year, but it didn't function well with the styro (or whatever that stuff is) that holds it in place during shipping. They will ship new boxes but are asking that if we want the vintage tag to transfer that ourselves. Its fine with me. Shit happens. Plus, I drink my bottles.
I was told the same...also that it would be a few weeks.

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#59 Post by NED VALOIS » March 26th, 2019, 2:13 pm

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Mine arrives tomorrow. Along with the Maybach. Giggity...
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Re: Scarecrow OWC Issues?

#60 Post by Dwizzo » March 26th, 2019, 2:44 pm

Loren Sonkin wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 10:45 am
I got an e-mail from them saying they switched to a more expensive packaging this year, but it didn't function well with the styro (or whatever that stuff is) that holds it in place during shipping. They will ship new boxes but are asking that if we want the vintage tag to transfer that ourselves. Its fine with me. Shit happens. Plus, I drink my bottles.
You all going to drink a bottle right away? I have a 3 pack coming (Wave 3) in the next week or two, my first scarecrow purchase ever, and not sure if I should cellar all 3 or have one right away (this year).
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#61 Post by Mark Y » March 26th, 2019, 2:47 pm

Dwizzo wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 2:44 pm
Loren Sonkin wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 10:45 am
I got an e-mail from them saying they switched to a more expensive packaging this year, but it didn't function well with the styro (or whatever that stuff is) that holds it in place during shipping. They will ship new boxes but are asking that if we want the vintage tag to transfer that ourselves. Its fine with me. Shit happens. Plus, I drink my bottles.
You all going to drink a bottle right away? I have a 3 pack coming (Wave 3) in the next week or two, my first scarecrow purchase ever, and not sure if I should cellar all 3 or have one right away (this year).
You should pobega one immediately. TN please! :)
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#62 Post by blarmston » March 26th, 2019, 6:13 pm

If I had been given the chance to buy two 3-packs, I probably would’ve succumbed to temptation and popped the cork on one to take it for a test drive. But since only three are showing up tomorrow, they will all be taking a nice long nap in the back of the cellar for the next 3-5 years at a minimum...
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#63 Post by Scott Brunson » March 27th, 2019, 5:58 am

blarmston wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 6:13 pm
If I had been given the chance to buy two 3-packs, I probably would’ve succumbed to temptation and popped the cork on one to take it for a test drive. But since only three are showing up tomorrow, they will all be taking a nice long nap in the back of the cellar for the next 3-5 years at a minimum...
I like mine at about 7 years from vintage also.
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#64 Post by Dwizzo » March 27th, 2019, 7:15 am

Scott Brunson wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 5:58 am
blarmston wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 6:13 pm
If I had been given the chance to buy two 3-packs, I probably would’ve succumbed to temptation and popped the cork on one to take it for a test drive. But since only three are showing up tomorrow, they will all be taking a nice long nap in the back of the cellar for the next 3-5 years at a minimum...
I like mine at about 7 years from vintage also.
Ugh, wish I had been allocated two cases. Likely to do 3, 5 and 7 years on the 3 bottles I'm getting. 3 years is a long wait for the first bottle [cry.gif]
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#65 Post by Bdklein » March 27th, 2019, 7:34 am

Somebody (not me) should set up a GoFundme page and take donations to open up a bottle and post some tasting notes. Take one for the team, offset by some $.
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#66 Post by ericskitei » March 27th, 2019, 11:35 am

Update (for those who care)- the second wave shipments which were sent out Monday and are starting to be delivered with additional foam inserts under and on top of the OWC to protect them from movement thus keeping them in tact. Looks like the problem is fixed.

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#67 Post by Victor Hong » March 27th, 2019, 11:42 am

ericskitei wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 11:35 am
Update (for those who care)- the second wave shipments which were sent out Monday and are starting to be delivered with additional foam inserts under and on top of the OWC to protect them from movement thus keeping them in tact. Looks like the problem is fixed.
Balled-up scrap paper would work just as well, but be more economical and green (unless you just burn the styrofoam inserts, as Andy Raffle had taught me).
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#68 Post by ykwon » March 27th, 2019, 12:23 pm

The OWC was fine except the slats holding the bottles in place is broken on the top part.
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#69 Post by Dwizzo » March 27th, 2019, 12:28 pm

ykwon wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 12:23 pm
The OWC was fine except the slats holding the bottles in place is broken on the top part.

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That arrived this week? Did it appear to have the extra foam?

Those top "bottle neck" holders are generally pretty thin, so not surprised it broke, but still...
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#70 Post by ykwon » March 27th, 2019, 12:35 pm

Yes - arrived today. It did have a foam piece on the very bottom and top. I recall only a foam piece covering the sides in the past.
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#71 Post by Mark Y » March 27th, 2019, 2:04 pm

Mine arrive today and had no foam at all.. instead it had a sheet of hard suspended plastic on top and on the bottom.
it basically suspended the wood crate in the middle of the shipping box.. interesting concept, but everything is good, no broken pieces at all.
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#72 Post by Albert_H » March 27th, 2019, 2:29 pm

My owc arrived with a chip on the front upper corner and a small quarter sized dent/scratch looking imprint on the lid. Everything else seems ok though. I thought this wood was supposed to smell better? It doesn’t smell like anything to me lol
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#73 Post by Dwizzo » March 27th, 2019, 2:33 pm

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My owc arrived with a chip on the front upper corner and a small quarter sized dent/scratch looking imprint on the lid. Everything else seems ok though. I thought this wood was supposed to smell better? It doesn’t smell like anything to me lol
How damaged was the packaging on the outside and inside (cardboard box, foam, plastic)? How do you get a dent on the lid? Wonder if it happened before shipping
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#74 Post by Scott Brunson » March 27th, 2019, 2:39 pm

Mark Y wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 2:04 pm
Mine arrive today and had no foam at all.. instead it had a sheet of hard suspended plastic on top and on the bottom.
it basically suspended the wood crate in the middle of the shipping box.. interesting concept, but everything is good, no broken pieces at all.
That is the way mine used to arrive.
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#75 Post by Steve L Gellman » March 27th, 2019, 2:50 pm

Drank a 2012 over the weekend and it was drinking great!

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#76 Post by Mark Y » March 27th, 2019, 2:56 pm

Albert_H wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 2:29 pm
My owc arrived with a chip on the front upper corner and a small quarter sized dent/scratch looking imprint on the lid. Everything else seems ok though. I thought this wood was supposed to smell better? It doesn’t smell like anything to me lol
Mine has a imprint on the lid, but i think it's purposely made.. not a dent.. it's for you to pull over the cover with? or is this something else on yours?
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#77 Post by J. Singleton » March 27th, 2019, 3:27 pm

Ground shipping in pulp would have best. Hot take, OWC are vastly overrated and unnecessary. They don’t make the wine taste any better. [popcorn.gif]
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#78 Post by Gray G » March 27th, 2019, 3:36 pm

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Ground shipping in pulp would have best. Hot take, OWC are vastly overrated and unnecessary. They don’t make the wine taste any better. [popcorn.gif]
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#79 Post by NED VALOIS » March 27th, 2019, 3:45 pm

Arrived in good condition .

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#80 Post by Bdklein » March 27th, 2019, 4:07 pm

This shipment was from the 2nd wave (not me).

Foam on top and bottom . And black foam on sides .
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#81 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 27th, 2019, 4:25 pm

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Ground shipping in pulp would have best. Hot take, OWC are vastly overrated and unnecessary. They don’t make the wine taste any better. [popcorn.gif]
I agree about the OWC, but not about the pulp. I hate using the polystyrene, but the egg carton offers zero temp control and much less accident protection
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#82 Post by larry schaffer » March 27th, 2019, 6:52 pm

The question that still needs to be answered is what are they doing about the scratched bottles? Its great that they are replacing the boxes, but one would think that they would need to do something about those as well . . .right?
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#83 Post by Randy Bowman » March 27th, 2019, 7:45 pm

Ours arrived yesterday in air suspension boxes. They travel a total of 5 miles from distribution to the store, unless we are the last stop for the FedEx truck, so there would normally be no issues. The air suspension is more than adequate for short travel and weight of a three pack unless they are intentionally mishandled.

If not familiar with air suspension, you start with a cardboard shipping box. You have a cardboard frame insert for the bottom that has high tensile strength plastic glued to the top of the frame. The OWC is placed in or near the center of the plastic and a second frame insert is placed on top of the OWC, encasing the OWC and suspending it the air with two inch clearance of the outer shipping box.
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#84 Post by davidsturek » March 28th, 2019, 8:50 am

Arrived in fine condition. Never loved the whole shipping in wood thing, but they’ve always arrived perfect

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#85 Post by Alex N » March 28th, 2019, 9:34 am

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My owc arrived with a chip on the front upper corner and a small quarter sized dent/scratch looking imprint on the lid. Everything else seems ok though. I thought this wood was supposed to smell better? It doesn’t smell like anything to me lol
No damage with my shipment. The wood looks like cedar or something else instead of what appears to be pine with the 2015s. After stacking my boxes I noticed it's quite darker than the 2015 with a finer grain.
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#86 Post by larry schaffer » March 28th, 2019, 9:55 am

Still waiting to hear if they are addressing scratched bottles . . .
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#87 Post by Betty C » March 28th, 2019, 3:00 pm

Mine showed up today and it’s perfectly fine. They used the suspend-between-plastic method; there’s no foam.
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#88 Post by Scott Brunson » March 28th, 2019, 4:29 pm

Oops--one of mine fell apart when unboxed.
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#89 Post by ChrisM » March 28th, 2019, 4:50 pm

Mine were fine. Foam on all sides. No suspension style like last year.
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#90 Post by Mike Van1 » March 30th, 2019, 6:06 am

My 3-pack arrived this past Wednesday and I opened it up yesterday. It came with the extra foam pieces on the top and bottom and all looked fine until I lifted the box out. The top lip on the right side is split completely off the entire length of the box and the left side is spilt half way down. This years cedar box is definitely less stout than last years pine box. I don’t think cedar does well with shipping as I had a Round Pond Gravel Series box come pretty well busted up last year. Out of the few wines I get in wood Schrader and Alpha Omega have the most stout OWCs.
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#91 Post by Mike Q » March 31st, 2019, 4:18 am

I popped and poured one with friends while on vacation last week. Open it now or in 30 years... you will not be disappointed. This is a fantastic wine.
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#92 Post by Dwizzo » March 31st, 2019, 5:45 am

Mike Q wrote:
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I popped and poured one with friends while on vacation last week. Open it now or in 30 years... you will not be disappointed. This is a fantastic wine.
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#93 Post by Mike Q » April 1st, 2019, 9:49 am

Dwizzo wrote:
March 31st, 2019, 5:45 am
Mike Q wrote:
March 31st, 2019, 4:18 am
I popped and poured one with friends while on vacation last week. Open it now or in 30 years... you will not be disappointed. This is a fantastic wine.
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TN's please. Great pic!
I am dreadful at tasting notes but I will give it a shot. It had more dark fruit notes than red. Hints of graphite leather and spice but you won't mistake it for a Bordeaux. What really stood out to me was the balance. It is no fruit bomb and definitely not a tannic monster that needs a decade. It strikes a balance of being incredibly enjoyable today but with the legs for long term aging. The structure is there with very fine tannin but it is so balanced with killer fruit. It is too bad it costs so much and is relatively hard to get. It is so good that you just want to share it with everyone. I have yet to be underwhelmed by a Scarecrow.
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#94 Post by Dwizzo » April 1st, 2019, 5:14 pm

Mike Q wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 9:49 am
Dwizzo wrote:
March 31st, 2019, 5:45 am
Mike Q wrote:
March 31st, 2019, 4:18 am
I popped and poured one with friends while on vacation last week. Open it now or in 30 years... you will not be disappointed. This is a fantastic wine.
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TN's please. Great pic!
I am dreadful at tasting notes but I will give it a shot. It had more dark fruit notes than red. Hints of graphite leather and spice but you won't mistake it for a Bordeaux. What really stood out to me was the balance. It is no fruit bomb and definitely not a tannic monster that needs a decade. It strikes a balance of being incredibly enjoyable today but with the legs for long term aging. The structure is there with very fine tannin but it is so balanced with killer fruit. It is too bad it costs so much and is relatively hard to get. It is so good that you just want to share it with everyone. I have yet to be underwhelmed by a Scarecrow.
Great notes, thanks! Looking forward to receiving my shipment, hopefully wave 3 goes out this week.
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#95 Post by Bdklein » April 1st, 2019, 6:11 pm

Dwizzo wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 5:14 pm
Mike Q wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 9:49 am
Dwizzo wrote:
March 31st, 2019, 5:45 am


TN's please. Great pic!
I am dreadful at tasting notes but I will give it a shot. It had more dark fruit notes than red. Hints of graphite leather and spice but you won't mistake it for a Bordeaux. What really stood out to me was the balance. It is no fruit bomb and definitely not a tannic monster that needs a decade. It strikes a balance of being incredibly enjoyable today but with the legs for long term aging. The structure is there with very fine tannin but it is so balanced with killer fruit. It is too bad it costs so much and is relatively hard to get. It is so good that you just want to share it with everyone. I have yet to be underwhelmed by a Scarecrow.
Great notes, thanks! Looking forward to receiving my shipment, hopefully wave 3 goes out this week.
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#96 Post by ky1em!ttskus » April 1st, 2019, 9:39 pm

Mike Q wrote:
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#97 Post by drew b » April 3rd, 2019, 2:56 pm

Mine arrived today in perfect condition.

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#98 Post by Dwizzo » April 3rd, 2019, 3:15 pm

Mine arrived today as well. Looked fine from the top (like yours) but the bottom had one board broken. Not a big deal I guess.
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#99 Post by MICHAEL C R O M W E L L » April 3rd, 2019, 3:23 pm

Similar issue here. Wine is fine, bottom was cracked all the way across but still structurally sound
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Joined: August 18th, 2017, 7:01 am
Location: Omaha, NE

Re: Scarecrow OWC Issues?

#100 Post by Mike Van1 » April 3rd, 2019, 4:23 pm

Pictures of the damage to my box. Lisa at Scarecrow will send a replacement as soon as they are made.
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V-one

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