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#1 Post by Mel Knox » March 15th, 2019, 6:52 pm

https://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles ... 000-bottle

Jancis wrote a free article about somebody in the Napa trying to hype a wine that will cost $3000 a bottle.
Who can it be now?? Is it The Todd?? I have no idea. Any guesses??
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#2 Post by Brian Thorne » March 15th, 2019, 6:57 pm

The Todd would be my guess!

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#3 Post by Richard Albert » March 15th, 2019, 7:06 pm

Wow, the Barum Winery finally opened.
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#4 Post by Randy Bowman » March 15th, 2019, 7:18 pm

If you have any questions, go to the web site: https://www.ghosthorseworld.com/


2014 Cabernet $500
2014 Fantome $1500
2014 Apparition $2000
2014 Spectre $3500
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#5 Post by Robert M yers » March 15th, 2019, 10:01 pm

That thread on ebob when this first started was epic, wish I could re-read that one. I bet he’d land his helicopter on your yard and come out guns blazing for the right fee.

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#6 Post by John Ammons » March 15th, 2019, 11:33 pm

Randy that line up looks awesome but I'm struggling with paying $600 for a Zinfandel. [rofl.gif]

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#7 Post by Anton D » March 16th, 2019, 1:01 am

The “Premonition” is a Spottswoode poured into a different bottle.
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#8 Post by Jim F » March 16th, 2019, 2:47 am

The sublime to the rediculous- at the other end of the price spectrum are some very nice Anderson Conn Valley cabernets.
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#9 Post by Dennis Borczon » March 16th, 2019, 5:19 am

Randy Bowman wrote:
March 15th, 2019, 7:18 pm
If you have any questions, go to the web site: https://www.ghosthorseworld.com/


2014 Cabernet $500
2014 Fantome $1500
2014 Apparition $2000
2014 Spectre $3500
2014 Premonition $5000 & Membership Into The Challenge Syndicate
2014 Zinfandel $600
2016 Chardonnay $400
Winemaker Dinner In Your Home $9000 - $45,000

This is a joke right?

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#10 Post by Jim F » March 16th, 2019, 5:38 am

Jim F wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 2:47 am
The sublime to the ridiculous- at the other end of the price spectrum are some very nice Anderson Conn Valley cabernets.
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#11 Post by R. Smith » March 16th, 2019, 6:32 am

Dennis Borczon wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 5:19 am
Randy Bowman wrote:
March 15th, 2019, 7:18 pm
If you have any questions, go to the web site: https://www.ghosthorseworld.com/


2014 Cabernet $500
2014 Fantome $1500
2014 Apparition $2000
2014 Spectre $3500
2014 Premonition $5000 & Membership Into The Challenge Syndicate
2014 Zinfandel $600
2016 Chardonnay $400
Winemaker Dinner In Your Home $9000 - $45,000

This is a joke right?
You do get some free patronizing from Todd along with your $400 Chardonnay.
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Stylistically, the 2016 Ghost Horse Chardonnay is a very ripe wine exhibiting the characteristics of more tropical fruits like guava, mango and peaches. For your education, the less ripe style Chardonnays would be more akin to green apple and lemon flavors.
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#12 Post by TimB » March 16th, 2019, 6:48 am

I see they do a cigar and wine pairing experience, I’m not a big cigar smoker but wouldn’t that make it so you couldn’t taste the wine?
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#13 Post by Robert M yers » March 16th, 2019, 7:35 am

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#14 Post by Robert M yers » March 16th, 2019, 7:36 am

TimB wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 6:48 am
I see they do a cigar and wine pairing experience, I’m not a big cigar smoker but wouldn’t that make it so you couldn’t taste the wine?
That’s how bold Ghost Horse wines are, not even cigars can slow them down. For your education that is.

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#15 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 16th, 2019, 7:39 am

I assume that this is the same wine, and from the comments above, little has changed.


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#64 Post by Mark Golodetz » Tue May 13, 2014 10:44 am

Sadly, another wine to add to this thread. Fortunately, I have not tasted many this year, so this one, the 2006 Ghost Shadow, served by an old friend at the Kittle House yesterday (“I knew you would really hate it, Mark”) came as something of a shock to the palate. On opening, and pouring for the table, I could smell from several glasses away, the taint of volatility. When I did put some in my glass, it showed massive amounts of sweet, candied fruit. The palate was incredibly soft, fat, filled with overly ripe fruit and had a chewy, thick texture leaving an imprint of yet more sugar and sweetened blueberries.

I dislike this wine for so many reasons. Not only the winemaking flaws, but the philosophical ones. It begins with a complete absence of terroir, which should at least leave you with a sense of the grape variety. The fact that it was a Cabernet would have surprised me; blind I would have guessed that it had some overripe Syrah. Finally, the wine was simple, grape flavored ; every nuance, every complexity had been obliterated in both the vineyard and the cellar, leaving a sweetish beverage, with a slight overlay of vinegar. Nasty stuff.
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#16 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 16th, 2019, 7:48 am

TimB wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 6:48 am
I see they do a cigar and wine pairing experience, I’m not a big cigar smoker but wouldn’t that make it so you couldn’t taste the wine?
I think that may be the point
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#17 Post by Ian Dorin » March 16th, 2019, 9:32 am

I doubt this is Todd Anderson.

Which begs the question, who is that much more crazy?
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#18 Post by Anton D » March 16th, 2019, 9:35 am

Robert M yers wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 7:36 am
TimB wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 6:48 am
I see they do a cigar and wine pairing experience, I’m not a big cigar smoker but wouldn’t that make it so you couldn’t taste the wine?
That’s how bold Ghost Horse wines are, not even cigars can slow them down. For your education that is.
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#19 Post by Nate Simon » March 16th, 2019, 9:51 am

Who the heck is this guy? Never heard of him, though his wines are priced like he’s the world’s most famous winemaker.

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#20 Post by Nate Simon » March 16th, 2019, 9:54 am

My favorite:

“The most simplistic in structure of the 4 Ghost Horse wines and a great wine for those who are graduating their palate’s to bigger, more complex reds.

$500”

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#21 Post by Andy Cobin » March 16th, 2019, 9:58 am

Lawrence Fairchild. Description and picture fits the bill.

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#22 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » March 16th, 2019, 9:59 am

Nate Simon wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 9:54 am
My favorite:

“The most simplistic in structure of the 4 Ghost Horse wines and a great wine for those who are graduating their palate’s to bigger, more complex reds.

$500”
Simplistic complexity. I’m sold.

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#23 Post by NED VALOIS » March 16th, 2019, 10:07 am

I spoke to him this week. He is a CHARACTER !

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#24 Post by Mike Kuller » March 16th, 2019, 11:52 am

That's nothing. And this one is only 95 points. You can find 20% off coupons.

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#25 Post by Jim F » March 16th, 2019, 11:53 am

Ian Dorin wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 9:32 am
I doubt this is Todd Anderson.

Which begs the question, who is that much more crazy?
It is Todd.
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#26 Post by Andy Cobin » March 16th, 2019, 1:14 pm

Jim F wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 11:53 am
Ian Dorin wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 9:32 am
I doubt this is Todd Anderson.

Which begs the question, who is that much more crazy?
It is Todd.
It's Lawrence Fairchild. Look at the ring in the Pic that Jancis pic and take a look at the link.


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#27 Post by Mel Knox » March 16th, 2019, 3:49 pm

The Fairbank hypothesis makes more sense than the one about Todd. Todd doesn't look at all like the guy in the picture.
I feel as though I retired from barrel sales too soon. If people can sell wine for $3K a bottle, who will complain about barrel prices??
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#28 Post by Dave English » March 16th, 2019, 3:58 pm

What does dark electricity smell like?

" 2014 Spectre
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The most seductive wine of the 2014 vintage. It boasts a huge concentrated ripeness, rich dark current on the nose with a finish that lasts for minutes. The tannins are gigantic but extremely soft, and necessary to balance out the fruit and oak. ?

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#29 Post by c fu » March 16th, 2019, 4:36 pm

Mel Knox wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 3:49 pm
The Fairbank hypothesis makes more sense than the one about Todd. Todd doesn't look at all like the guy in the picture.
I feel as though I retired from barrel sales too soon. If people can sell wine for $3K a bottle, who will complain about barrel prices??
Agreed. When I saw the pic I knew it wasn’t todd. Same as the description of the person
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#30 Post by John Morris » March 16th, 2019, 4:39 pm

Dave English wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 3:58 pm
What does dark electricity smell like?

" 2014 Spectre
ANDERSON CONN VALLEY VINEYARDS

The most seductive wine of the 2014 vintage. It boasts a huge concentrated ripeness, rich dark current on the nose with a finish that lasts for minutes. The tannins are gigantic but extremely soft, and necessary to balance out the fruit and oak. ?
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#31 Post by R. Smith » March 16th, 2019, 5:14 pm

The picture above accompanied the pitch, cropped at the neck, but I have also cropped off that bottle with its zinc pewter label.


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#32 Post by Greg Mitrakas » March 16th, 2019, 5:39 pm

HAHAHAHAHA. This guy can't be serious.

I did look at the website and came across this picture. Never thought of matching a big napa cab with caviar. Can't get any classier than that!


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#33 Post by alan weinberg » March 16th, 2019, 5:48 pm

Dave English wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 3:58 pm
What does dark electricity smell like?

" 2014 Spectre
ANDERSON CONN VALLEY VINEYARDS

The most seductive wine of the 2014 vintage. It boasts a huge concentrated ripeness, rich dark current on the nose with a finish that lasts for minutes. The tannins are gigantic but extremely soft, and necessary to balance out the fruit and oak. ?
yes, it’s electric! At least the description of such a huge wine would warn me away.

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#34 Post by Dan Kravitz » March 16th, 2019, 5:51 pm

There's one born every picosecond... at least the huckster better hope so.

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#35 Post by J a y H a c k » March 16th, 2019, 6:57 pm

On December 17, 2008, Dan Posner arranged a "juried" blind tasting of cult cabs. You offered a wine to bring in advance, he decided who would come, and if you made the cut, you brought your wine and were invited to taste all the chosen wines, one of which was known to be Ghost Horse. I brought a '05 Futo, which deservedly ranked near the bottom. There was one twist, which was that someone offered a second Ghost Horse, so there were actually two of them.

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  • 2005 Merus Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/17/2008)
    I really like this wine. Red fruit, excellent balance, tanins are not obnoxious, nose is wine not alcohol, finish is long, color is very dark. (94 pts.)
  • 2002 Araujo Estate Cabernet Sauvignon Eisele Vineyard - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/17/2008)
    This wine is austere but has a lot to back it up. Needs time to age. Dark black fruits. After a while in the glass, it opens up to chocolate and roast meat notes. (93 pts.)
  • 2002 Shafer Cabernet Sauvignon Hillside Select - USA, California, Napa Valley, Stags Leap District (12/17/2008)
    Blind. Red fruit and excellent balance. Dark intense color and long finish. Tanins there but not fierce. Very enjoyable. (93 pts.)
  • 1999 Dalla Valle Maya - USA, California, Napa Valley, Oakville (12/17/2008)
    No notes taken but from memory this was a nice wine not great that was palatable even after already having 9 cabs, 2 champagnes and a white starter. (89 pts.)
  • 2005 Ghost Horse Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/17/2008)
    Vanilla and wood. Not a lot of stuffing and a bit thin but a reasonable wine. (89 pts.)
  • 2001 Ghost Horse Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/17/2008)
    Red fruit and funk. Too much funk on the nose for my taste. Tanins are light and a bit of fruit on the palate. (87 pts.)
  • 2005 Ramey Cabernet Sauvignon Pedregal Vineyard - USA, California, Napa Valley, Oakville (12/17/2008)
    Green pepper, more green pepper and vegetal. Not enough fruit to come through and tanins are very astringent. (87 pts.)
  • 2003 Harlan Estate - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/17/2008)
    Blind, turns out to be my first Harlan. No big deal. Overall a light presentation without significant power. My principal taste sensation is blue cheese. After the glass was empty, I could still smell a bit of blue cheese. Short finish. (86 pts.)
  • 2005 Futo - USA, California, Napa Valley, Oakville (12/17/2008)
    Menthol and alcohol on the nose. Too raw and not much there, strong tanins bite the tongue. Ken Vastola said it was corked and when I came back to it later I did notice a bit of the steamed wool carpet on the nose. (84 pts.)
  • 2005 Grace Family Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, California, Napa Valley, St. Helena (12/17/2008)
    Yucch! syrupy vanilla and oak. Watch for splinters. Spoofulated. After a while, the nose and palate give way to green pepper, and I never give that descriptor so it must really be there. (81 pts.)
  • 2001 Abreu Cabernet Sauvignon Madrona Ranch - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/16/2008)
    Fruit on the nose but way too alcoholic. Astringent tanins on the tongue, some black fruit, overall a bit thin. (88 pts.)
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#36 Post by GregT » March 16th, 2019, 6:58 pm

Making exclusive wine even more exclusive,
You guys are just mad because you're not on the list. Get on now!
. . .leaving a sweetish beverage, with a slight overlay of vinegar. . .
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#37 Post by Randy Bowman » March 16th, 2019, 7:47 pm

I would not be surprised if there was a new person peddling a $3K bottle. I've seen several wines introduced at ridiculous prices. We regularly have people bring us their first or second bottling of Cabernet, asking for $100.00 wholesale because it is so limited. Nobody knows the wine maker. The label was obviously done on Print Shop and no reputable magazine has tasted and rated the wine.

As for the Ghost Horse, we did his shipping for a year until he could find suitable fulfillment company with storage. Every other Monday he would deliver 14 to 17 cases of wine for use to pack and ship. Insurance was double, triple, quadruple the cost of shipping, if the buyer would pay it.

I've always been partial to the Apparition. The Specter needs years and the Fantome seemed to be in a dumb phase that also required time in the bottle. The GH "Napa Cab" has always been a little retro and light as opposed to the Shadow, Fantome, Apparition and Specter which are more fruit driven and higher in alcohol, usually.
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#38 Post by Dan Hammer » March 16th, 2019, 8:18 pm

Mark Golodetz wrote:
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I assume that this is the same wine, and from the comments above, little has changed.


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#64 Post by Mark Golodetz » Tue May 13, 2014 10:44 am

Sadly, another wine to add to this thread. Fortunately, I have not tasted many this year, so this one, the 2006 Ghost Shadow, served by an old friend at the Kittle House yesterday (“I knew you would really hate it, Mark”) came as something of a shock to the palate. On opening, and pouring for the table, I could smell from several glasses away, the taint of volatility. When I did put some in my glass, it showed massive amounts of sweet, candied fruit. The palate was incredibly soft, fat, filled with overly ripe fruit and had a chewy, thick texture leaving an imprint of yet more sugar and sweetened blueberries.

I dislike this wine for so many reasons. Not only the winemaking flaws, but the philosophical ones. It begins with a complete absence of terroir, which should at least leave you with a sense of the grape variety. The fact that it was a Cabernet would have surprised me; blind I would have guessed that it had some overripe Syrah. Finally, the wine was simple, grape flavored ; every nuance, every complexity had been obliterated in both the vineyard and the cellar, leaving a sweetish beverage, with a slight overlay of vinegar. Nasty stuff.
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#39 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 16th, 2019, 10:53 pm

Dan that is the wine, and my note on it. Fortunately I have only had it once.
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#40 Post by Robert M yers » March 16th, 2019, 11:41 pm

A few years ago one of them was clearanced somewhere at $99, does anybody have any left?

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#41 Post by Warren Taranow » March 17th, 2019, 7:51 am

Dave English wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 3:58 pm
What does dark electricity smell like?

" 2014 Spectre
ANDERSON CONN VALLEY VINEYARDS

The most seductive wine of the 2014 vintage. It boasts a huge concentrated ripeness, rich dark current on the nose with a finish that lasts for minutes. The tannins are gigantic but extremely soft, and necessary to balance out the fruit and oak. ?
Probably smells like cassis, only amped down a little.
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#42 Post by Dan Hammer » March 17th, 2019, 9:29 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 10:53 pm
Dan that is the wine, and my note on it. Fortunately I have only had it once.
I have an '07 if you were ever interested in tasting that wine. [wink.gif]
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#43 Post by Mark Golodetz » March 17th, 2019, 10:07 am

Dan Hammer wrote:
March 17th, 2019, 9:29 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 10:53 pm
Dan that is the wine, and my note on it. Fortunately I have only had it once.
I have an '07 if you were ever interested in tasting that wine. [wink.gif]


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#44 Post by AlexO » March 17th, 2019, 3:53 pm

I'm going to go ahead and say that is in fact Larry. Allow me to present my evidence:

https://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles ... 000-bottle

The ring:



In addition to the above picture of the ring, which could be a match, there is also this picture of Larry, and what I think are his wife's legs, however, pay close attention to his neck in this picture. Very similar to the picture posted by Jancis:



However, here is the smoking gun. A picture of Larry wearing a Valentino blazer that looks very similar to the cropped picture included by Janicis. The comments confirm that it is indeed a Valentino blazer, which goes along with the mention of Valentino being part of his personal style. Now, I have watch enough episodes of Profiles in History (show about Hollywood memorabilia) to know to try to match the exact details. If you look at the right cuff, you will see that the two blazers are identical.



I think it's fair to say that the evidence is rather conclusive based on visual inspection only.

Certainly a fan of Larry's wine, and I would be interested to try to figure out more about this.
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Re: $3000 bottle

#45 Post by Mel Knox » March 18th, 2019, 10:27 am

Alex,

Is there any way you can photoshop Larry's arms and legs and clothes onto Todd??
Everyone here is convinced that Todd has created this wine and your job is to provide evidence to support that hypothesis.
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Re: $3000 bottle

#46 Post by Humberto Dorta » March 18th, 2019, 11:01 am

Lol The Todd already beat that pauper price. Say what you will about him, but years ago (after the GH threat on ebob, a buddy and I stopped by Conn Valley to try the CV wines. Todd sat with us and we drank some then he tasted us on some GH, then he made us beer can chickens and we just cleared the schedule. Had a blast and one of the most memorable tasting experiences. Right up there with tasting Larry's wines at his home actually. Also an amazing time.
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Re: $3000 bottle

#47 Post by John Kight » March 18th, 2019, 12:19 pm

Dave English wrote:
March 16th, 2019, 3:58 pm
What does dark electricity smell like?

" 2014 Spectre
The tannins are gigantic but extremely soft...
Does this mean anything? I guess in my mind tannin "softens" or "fades" with time, but once softened, I would usually NOT describe the tannin as huge or gigantic.

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Re: $3000 bottle

#48 Post by J O S H L O N G » March 18th, 2019, 1:19 pm

Can someone explain the background/relevancy of "Todd?"

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Re: $3000 bottle

#49 Post by Gary York » March 18th, 2019, 9:35 pm

How long do you have?
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Re: $3000 bottle

#50 Post by Chris Roberson » March 18th, 2019, 10:17 pm

It's a special hand blown bottle that is iridescent. Blend of all 3 stones I believe is what he said. Very limited production.

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