Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?

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Re: Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?

#51 Post by Pat Martin » March 13th, 2019, 10:48 am

Several bottles in recent years of the 95 Lisini Brunello Ugolaia were epic. The 99 Lisini Brunello normale is also quite good. More recent incarnations of Lisini, however, are in a different style it seems — more modern, less to my liking.
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#52 Post by Jay Miller » March 13th, 2019, 11:19 am

Troy Stark wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:25 am
It's interesting to read about people's preferences in this thread. My wife and I have tried many different vintages of Valdicava. Just doesn't do anything for us. Too modern and oaky for our palates.
Ditto. Someone generously brought one to the Heritage tasting. I didn't dump it as quickly as the SQN or the Pavie but I didn't drink much.
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#53 Post by Troy Stark » March 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

Jay Miller wrote:
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Ditto. Someone generously brought one to the Heritage tasting. I didn't dump it as quickly as the SQN or the Pavie but I didn't drink much.
SQN - ugh. Another producer I've tried on numerous occasions and never enjoyed. Every time I try it my base emotion is confusion; Why do people like this? Is my palate broken? Could a winemaker really believe this is varietally correct? How is it possible there's a 10 year waiting list for these wines?

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#54 Post by Tim Heaton » March 13th, 2019, 2:07 pm

Pat Martin wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:45 am
Troy Stark wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:25 am
It's interesting to read about people's preferences in this thread. My wife and I have tried many different vintages of Valdicava. Just doesn't do anything for us. Too modern and oaky for our palates.
+1. Though the 2001 was surprisingly good.
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#55 Post by Mattstolz » March 13th, 2019, 6:21 pm

Tim Heaton wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 2:07 pm
Pat Martin wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:45 am
Troy Stark wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:25 am
It's interesting to read about people's preferences in this thread. My wife and I have tried many different vintages of Valdicava. Just doesn't do anything for us. Too modern and oaky for our palates.
+1. Though the 2001 was surprisingly good.
Patrick, I have 2 left from release, let's drink; back mid May. In Alsace tonight, Dusseldorf tomorrow. a presto
had a 2000 recently that I also thought was very good. I haven't ever had a younger version though to speak to the oak before it has a chance to incorporate

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#56 Post by Joongul Lee » March 14th, 2019, 2:47 pm

Monsanto Il Poggio.

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#57 Post by Jeff Bloom » March 14th, 2019, 7:06 pm

I love Sangiovese (I have a cat named Brunello) and I buy a lot of those mentioned already regularly. I would normally say Flaccianello is the epitome of consistent excellence for me, with Rancia probably the next in line. Soldera, as others have said, is in a class by itself but it really doesn't do it for me.

I attended a vertical of Biondi-Santi Riservas last year, though, and it was a wow moment. My budget doesn't allow for regular purchases but, damn, they were definitely a step above.

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Re: Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?

#58 Post by Pat Martin » March 14th, 2019, 8:37 pm

Tim Heaton wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 2:07 pm
Pat Martin wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:45 am
Troy Stark wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:25 am
It's interesting to read about people's preferences in this thread. My wife and I have tried many different vintages of Valdicava. Just doesn't do anything for us. Too modern and oaky for our palates.
+1. Though the 2001 was surprisingly good.
Patrick, I have 2 left from release, let's drink; back mid May. In Alsace tonight, Dusseldorf tomorrow. a presto
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#59 Post by Markus S » March 15th, 2019, 6:42 am

Jeff Bloom wrote:
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... Biondi-Santi Riservas ....and it was a wow moment. My budget doesn't allow for regular purchases but, damn, they were definitely a step above.
I didn't need to hear this. [swoon.gif]
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Re: Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?

#60 Post by John Kight » April 17th, 2019, 1:38 pm

Late to this thread. Most of these have been named previously. The best are:

Fontodi Flaccianello
Montevertine Le Pergole Torte
San Giusto a Rentennano's Percarlo
Isole e Olena's Cepparello
Soldera Brunello
Biondi-Santi Brunello Riserva
Cerbaiona Brunello
Poggio di Sotto Brunello.

However, most all of the above have pushed to over $100. A more interesting list, to me, are the Sangiovese wines that are ALMOST as good as all of the above, but can generally be enjoyed for under $60 (half the price of the above wines):

Selvapiana CCR Bucherchiale
Montevertine Montevertine
Lisini Brunello
Livio Sassetti Pertimali Brunello (I'm amazed this wine doesn't get more love...similar to Lisini & Costanti, but doesn't get quite the same level of mentions)
Conti Costanti Brunello
Il Poggione Brunello
Felsina's CCR Rancia & IGT Fontalloro
Monsanto Il Poggio (getting tougher to find anymore, though)

I was torn as to whether to include Il Carbonaione as well, but while I like the wine, I find it to lack the silkiness and elegance of the ones listed above. Just a bit darker and more rustic style. While I didn't include here, although I definitely like the wine and it's a great value.

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#61 Post by David Cooper » April 17th, 2019, 3:48 pm

If I had to pick just 1, it would be Sesti, the 08 Brunello is almost exactly what I think is perfect Sangiovese.

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#62 Post by Mattstolz » April 17th, 2019, 5:45 pm

Tim Heaton wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:36 am
Served blind last night in Brescia, I guessed Giacosa 1978.

Revealed, it was the 1988 Le Pergole Torte. I suppose if the guess is Giacosa, it's a win, either way. Great bottle, extremely elegant, with good>very good freshness, still. My top? No, but excellent nonetheless. A 2004 of this same bottle was a top 10 Sangiovese, no doubt.
that bottle is on my very short list of bucket list wines. I'm definitely priced out right now though. birth year of one of my very favorite producers

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#63 Post by John Kight » April 18th, 2019, 5:43 am

David Cooper wrote:
April 17th, 2019, 3:48 pm
If I had to pick just 1, it would be Sesti, the 08 Brunello is almost exactly what I think is perfect Sangiovese.
I love Sesti too....it's a really pretty wine. I haven't been drinking it long enough (or tried it in enough mediocre vintages) to have it on my list of very top wines, but it is definitely on my radar to continue drinking.

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#64 Post by Doug Lee » April 18th, 2019, 7:00 am

Nice thread.

Would love to sample Soldera someday; as of now my favorites have been:
Biondi-Santi
Felsina Rancia
Cepparello
Poggio di Sotto Brunello (04 is unreal)
Flaccianello

Have some 07 Le Pergole Torte patiently waiting in the wings.

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#65 Post by Jeff P » April 18th, 2019, 10:09 am

Steven Orloff wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:21 am
Valdicava was my Italian wine epiphany.
Same here
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Re: Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?

#66 Post by J. Galang » April 18th, 2019, 10:21 am

Martin Petersen wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:51 pm
At a level of its own: Soldera

Just below: Montevertine, Cerbaiona (pre-2010), Salvioni, Poggio di Sotto (pre-2007)

There are quite a few Chianti that I also like a lot but these mentioned above are at the very top
Curious, why pre 2007 Poggio? Something happened in 2007?
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#67 Post by Jayson Cohen » April 18th, 2019, 10:31 am

J. Galang wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 10:21 am
Martin Petersen wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:51 pm
At a level of its own: Soldera

Just below: Montevertine, Cerbaiona (pre-2010), Salvioni, Poggio di Sotto (pre-2007)

There are quite a few Chianti that I also like a lot but these mentioned above are at the very top
Curious, why pre 2007 Poggio? Something happened in 2007?
Not sure why Martin said 2007 but the estate was sold in 2011 (with certain wines still in barrel).

https://www.kermitlynch.com/our-wines/poggio-di-sotto/

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#68 Post by Martin Petersen » April 18th, 2019, 11:25 am

Jayson Cohen wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 10:31 am
J. Galang wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 10:21 am
Martin Petersen wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:51 pm
At a level of its own: Soldera

Just below: Montevertine, Cerbaiona (pre-2010), Salvioni, Poggio di Sotto (pre-2007)

There are quite a few Chianti that I also like a lot but these mentioned above are at the very top
Curious, why pre 2007 Poggio? Something happened in 2007?
Not sure why Martin said 2007 but the estate was sold in 2011 (with certain wines still in barrel).

https://www.kermitlynch.com/our-wines/poggio-di-sotto/
IMHO Palmucci never, after 2006, reached the heights of the earlier vintages. But 2006 and earlier are truly majestic wines

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#69 Post by J. Galang » April 18th, 2019, 11:31 am

Martin Petersen wrote:
April 18th, 2019, 11:25 am
IMHO Palmucci never, after 2006, reached the heights of the earlier vintages. But 2006 and earlier are truly majestic wines
Thanks for the tidbit. Never had this wine and Soldera is just out of my price range (current prices).
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