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Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?

#1 Post by NoahR » March 11th, 2019, 9:14 am

Curious as to the Mob’s thoughts. What are your top 5 expressions of Sangiovese, and why? Can be less than 100%.

Pergola Torte? A Chianti like Rancia? A particular Brunello? A Vino Nobile?
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#2 Post by Elliot Steele » March 11th, 2019, 9:32 am

Just had a bottle of Gaja's 1990 Sugarille this past Thursday. Gave new meaning to how great Sangiovese can be. I can't say I've had a more serious or intellectual bottle of Brunello and as good as the 2001 Valdicava is this is just on another level.
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#3 Post by K John Joseph » March 11th, 2019, 10:20 am

I have never had a bottle of Fontodi Flacianello that I did not adore.
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#4 Post by Jonathan Grunzweig » March 11th, 2019, 10:35 am

For me, Soldera stands alone, in purity, ageability and distinction from any other, as well as for pure enjoyment.

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#5 Post by Thomas De Waen » March 11th, 2019, 11:53 am

Jonathan Grunzweig wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 10:35 am
For me, Soldera stands alone, in purity, ageability and distinction from any other, as well as for pure enjoyment.

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Yes. Soldera, Poggio di Sotto and Pergole Torte stand at the top of my Sangiovese league table.

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#6 Post by Keith A k e r s » March 11th, 2019, 12:04 pm

This is a fun and tough question!

For me, it may look something like this:

Le Pergole Torte
Flaccianello
Biondi-Santi
Soldera
Poggio Di Sotto



that said, it was hard to leave a ton of things out (especially top Chianti producers). But, I think if someone was to ask me what would be the producers that express the pinnacle of the grape, I think those are the ones that do that (assuming no budget restrictions).

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#7 Post by Dennis Atick » March 11th, 2019, 12:41 pm

An added wrinkle, if I may, Noah...some in the sub $100 category, too, please. This is a blind spot for me, but I'm starting to dip my toes in.
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#8 Post by Martin Petersen » March 11th, 2019, 12:51 pm

At a level of its own: Soldera

Just below: Montevertine, Cerbaiona (pre-2010), Salvioni, Poggio di Sotto (pre-2007)

There are quite a few Chianti that I also like a lot but these mentioned above are at the very top

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#9 Post by Steve Nordhoff » March 11th, 2019, 3:52 pm

Dennis Atick wrote:
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An added wrinkle, if I may, Noah...some in the sub $100 category, too, please. This is a blind spot for me, but I'm starting to dip my toes in.
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#10 Post by Brian Maxwell » March 11th, 2019, 4:46 pm

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#11 Post by Keith A k e r s » March 11th, 2019, 4:48 pm

Dennis Atick wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:41 pm
An added wrinkle, if I may, Noah...some in the sub $100 category, too, please. This is a blind spot for me, but I'm starting to dip my toes in.

Here, Rancia absolutely comes into play as does Fontarollo for an IGT Sangiovese.

For Brunello in the under $100, I'd say:

Fuglini
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Stella Di Campalto
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#12 Post by Dennis Atick » March 11th, 2019, 5:06 pm

Thank you Steve and Keith.
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#13 Post by Mattstolz » March 11th, 2019, 7:41 pm

Martin Petersen wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:51 pm
At a level of its own: Soldera

Just below: Montevertine, Cerbaiona (pre-2010), Salvioni, Poggio di Sotto (pre-2007)

There are quite a few Chianti that I also like a lot but these mentioned above are at the very top
curious why pre-2010 Cerbaiona only? I had a killer 2011 and 2013 recently. sad that they have switched hands though.

I would definitely say Montevertine, Cerbaiona, Felsina (cheat and say Rancia and Fontalloro), Biondi-Santi, ad Fontodi.

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#14 Post by Pat Martin » March 11th, 2019, 7:46 pm

The big ones have been mentioned. I’d add that I’ve had some sensational bottles of Percarlo.
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#15 Post by Arv R » March 11th, 2019, 8:25 pm

Not as elite as other names mentioned, but Selvapiana's Buerchiale vineyard is very impressive to me.
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#16 Post by Gary York » March 11th, 2019, 8:26 pm

1. Montevertine LPT
2. Montevertine Rosso
3. Felsina Rancia
4. Castellare I Sodi
5. Cerbaiona Brunello
Some of the best aspects of Sangiovese in balance - restrained dark cherry fruit, leather and herbs

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#17 Post by P Intag » March 11th, 2019, 9:22 pm

Don't have a lot of experience with higher end Sangio, but does San Giusto a Rentennano Percarlo belong in the conversation? It's one of the best that I have tasted...
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#18 Post by Tom Reddick » March 11th, 2019, 9:24 pm

Jonathan Grunzweig wrote:
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For me, Soldera stands alone, in purity, ageability and distinction from any other, as well as for pure enjoyment.

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Agreed. A very rare case where one winery really does seem to have fully captured the magic.
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#19 Post by Martin Petersen » March 11th, 2019, 9:31 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 7:41 pm
Martin Petersen wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:51 pm
At a level of its own: Soldera

Just below: Montevertine, Cerbaiona (pre-2010), Salvioni, Poggio di Sotto (pre-2007)

There are quite a few Chianti that I also like a lot but these mentioned above are at the very top
curious why pre-2010 Cerbaiona only? I had a killer 2011 and 2013 recently. sad that they have switched hands though.

I would definitely say Montevertine, Cerbaiona, Felsina (cheat and say Rancia and Fontalloro), Biondi-Santi, ad Fontodi.
Matt, first I must correct an error I made, it should have bern pre-2011, as I believe the 2010 is a great wine cut along the same lines as earlier great vintages. To me the vintages after 2010 has been marked by a richer fruit and with less weightless elegance than this wine used to have. Maybe it’s just climate change and I still bought the BdM from the estate in 11/12/13 but I have worries that they will never reach the same heights as earlier vintages.

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#20 Post by Andrew Demaree » March 11th, 2019, 9:44 pm

Flaccianello and Cepparello would be two of mine. Il Carbonaione might be in the top five, as well. I’ll have to give some thought to the other two.

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#21 Post by Elliot Steele » March 11th, 2019, 11:19 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 7:41 pm
Martin Petersen wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:51 pm
At a level of its own: Soldera

Just below: Montevertine, Cerbaiona (pre-2010), Salvioni, Poggio di Sotto (pre-2007)

There are quite a few Chianti that I also like a lot but these mentioned above are at the very top
curious why pre-2010 Cerbaiona only? I had a killer 2011 and 2013 recently. sad that they have switched hands though.

I would definitely say Montevertine, Cerbaiona, Felsina (cheat and say Rancia and Fontalloro), Biondi-Santi, ad Fontodi.
Fontodi's Vigna del Sorbo from magnum at 20 years of age is sublime! The '99 easily bested some really heavy hitters on the table a short while back.
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#22 Post by Jürgen Steinke » March 12th, 2019, 2:07 am

Strange that nobody mentioned Percarlo. But I am generally sceptic these days if posts like this are helpful. They may create hypes which are a disadvantage for consumers.

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#23 Post by Kirk.Grant » March 12th, 2019, 3:39 am

Dennis Atick wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:41 pm
An added wrinkle, if I may, Noah...some in the sub $100 category, too, please. This is a blind spot for me, but I'm starting to dip my toes in.
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#24 Post by Dennis Atick » March 12th, 2019, 3:51 am

Kirk.Grant wrote:
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Dennis Atick wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:41 pm
An added wrinkle, if I may, Noah...some in the sub $100 category, too, please. This is a blind spot for me, but I'm starting to dip my toes in.
Poggio di Sotto Rosso - snag a bottle give it 1-2 years post purchase and you'll be well rewarded.
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#25 Post by J a y H a c k » March 12th, 2019, 4:14 am

Dennis Atick wrote:
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Thank you Steve and Keith.
I second Keith's suggestion of Lisini. I had a bottle of the 2010 a few weeks ago that I bought on release. It was outstanding. You can get it now for about $80. Try it and if you like it, pick up some of the more recent good vintages for less.
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#26 Post by Tom Taylor » March 12th, 2019, 5:09 am

Not quite reaching the heights of Cerbaiona, Salvioni or Conti Contini, the 2013 Agostini Pieri is pretty damn good.
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#27 Post by Brian Lynch » March 12th, 2019, 6:25 am

Good picks.

Dennis, my go to sub-$100 wines would be

Cepparello
Felsina Rancia
Fontodi Vigna Del Sorbo
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#28 Post by Rory K. » March 12th, 2019, 9:44 am

Under $100 I would say il marroneto Brunello is straight classic. Full of that sweet pipe tobacco, dried mint, and black cherry I love in Sangiovese.
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#29 Post by P Intag » March 12th, 2019, 10:13 am

Jürgen Steinke wrote:
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Strange that nobody mentioned Percarlo. But I am generally sceptic these days if posts like this are helpful. They may create hypes which are a disadvantage for consumers.
I mentioned it in post #17. Not sure how soliciting independent opinions from knowledgeable enthusiasts can be a disadvantage. If someone is hyping a wine too much, others are free to disagree, and we know that there is no shortage of people here that will do just that...
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#30 Post by Dennis Atick » March 12th, 2019, 1:42 pm

Brian Lynch wrote:
March 12th, 2019, 6:25 am
Good picks.

Dennis, my go to sub-$100 wines would be

Cepparello
Felsina Rancia
Fontodi Vigna Del Sorbo
Ucceleira Brunello
Pian Dell’Orino Brunello
Thank you, Brian. Outside of Felsina, these aren't really names I know, so this helps.
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#31 Post by Nick F. » March 12th, 2019, 1:54 pm

Anything on the domestic front? Don't shoot me....

I am a huge fan of altamura's sangiovese...
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#32 Post by Gary Zimberg » March 12th, 2019, 2:49 pm

Jonathan Grunzweig wrote:
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For me, Soldera stands alone, in purity, ageability and distinction from any other, as well as for pure enjoyment.

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I agree, while there are many very, very good Sangio based wines, for my palate, Soldera stands above all others.

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#34 Post by Pat Martin » March 12th, 2019, 4:49 pm

To echo a few mentions: Selvapiana can be fantastic and a world class QPR. When Il Poggoine Brunello was $40, it got another vote from me as a great QPR.
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#35 Post by Mattstolz » March 13th, 2019, 3:11 am

Martin Petersen wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 9:31 pm

Matt, first I must correct an error I made, it should have bern pre-2011, as I believe the 2010 is a great wine cut along the same lines as earlier great vintages. To me the vintages after 2010 has been marked by a richer fruit and with less weightless elegance than this wine used to have. Maybe it’s just climate change and I still bought the BdM from the estate in 11/12/13 but I have worries that they will never reach the same heights as earlier vintages.
the tasting I was at was a vertical of the last 3 vintages, plus the VDP wine to get the newer (typically BdM labelled) fruit out of the cellar. Honestly, the VDP stole the show due to QPR, but the 11 I really enjoyed (I've yet to meet an 11 BdM I don't like at this stage though) and the 13 seemed like it had the stuffings of a great wine. admittedly, I agree with you that they were weightlessly elegant wines, but I don't think hope is lost for them down the road either!

I should also admit that these were the first and only cerbaionas that I've had the opportunity to taste, unfortunately.

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#36 Post by Jayson Cohen » March 13th, 2019, 5:59 am

Elliot Steele wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 11:19 pm
Mattstolz wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 7:41 pm
Martin Petersen wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 12:51 pm
At a level of its own: Soldera

Just below: Montevertine, Cerbaiona (pre-2010), Salvioni, Poggio di Sotto (pre-2007)

There are quite a few Chianti that I also like a lot but these mentioned above are at the very top
curious why pre-2010 Cerbaiona only? I had a killer 2011 and 2013 recently. sad that they have switched hands though.

I would definitely say Montevertine, Cerbaiona, Felsina (cheat and say Rancia and Fontalloro), Biondi-Santi, ad Fontodi.
Fontodi's Vigna del Sorbo from magnum at 20 years of age is sublime! The '99 easily bested some really heavy hitters on the table a short while back.
It’s a great wine from bottle too. But I personally consider Vigna del Sorbo to be a heavy hitter in the Tuscan world, the 1999 a particularly good vintage. Other than Soldera, I will take Vigna del Sorbo (and other great Chianti) over Brunello every time.

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#37 Post by LMD Ermitaño » March 13th, 2019, 6:15 am

I like very many; but, if I had to narrow to 5 the ones I admire most:

1. Biondi Santi (well aged Riserva & Annata; and their rosato too)
2. Flaccianello
3. Soldera
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#38 Post by Jay Miller » March 13th, 2019, 7:00 am

For me

1. a 20+ year old Biondi Santi (if it's younger drop it down below Soldera)
2. Soldera
3. Several jockeying for position here
Montevertine Pergole Torte
Montevertine Il Sodaccio (at a younger age than PT as it doesn't have the long aging capability but was magical with a shorter time. Of course they don't make it any more)
Flaccianello

4. Just a small, tiny, wee drop down in preference
Vigna del Sorbo
Ceperallo
Percarlo
Fontodi Vigna Del Sorbo
Castellare I Sodi

All the above are truly great sangiovese based wines for my palate. Lots of other very, very good wines that didn't make the list as well of course.

I'm not a Lisini fan, the 2010 in particular was too lush for me. There are a bunch of names above that I'm not familiar with. If I was buying wine these days I'd try them all out.
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#39 Post by JohnP » March 13th, 2019, 7:34 am

2001 Valdicava Madonna was my first aha moment to the seductive powers of Sangiovese. The next awakening occurred during the release of the 2010 Brunello vintage, almost every one I tried was profound. Stand outs- Livio Sassetti Pertimali & Canalicchio di Sopra. Surprisingly, I was not moved by the 2010 Valdicava.

For a "very" modern take, Garguilo in Napa knocks it out of the park with their super Tuscan blend- Aprile (96% sangiovese 4% cab).
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#40 Post by Gerhard P. » March 13th, 2019, 7:47 am

It´s actually funny that I post in THIS thread because I´m no way a lover of Italian wines, but I´ve had - and still have in our monthly wine tasting group - my fair share of Italians.
The best ever Italian was Sassicaia 1985 at age 25y, but that´s no Sangiovese.

2nd: Caparzo Brunello La Casa 1985 (a vintage I seem to like),
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#41 Post by Steven Pumilia » March 13th, 2019, 8:27 am

Steve Nordhoff wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 3:52 pm
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March 11th, 2019, 12:41 pm
An added wrinkle, if I may, Noah...some in the sub $100 category, too, please. This is a blind spot for me, but I'm starting to dip my toes in.
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#42 Post by Laurent Gibet » March 13th, 2019, 8:35 am

My best sangiovese : Brunello di Montalcino Soldera Case Basse 2012 : 18,5/20 (in 2017)
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#43 Post by Chris Seiber » March 13th, 2019, 9:24 am

Jürgen Steinke wrote:
March 12th, 2019, 2:07 am
Strange that nobody mentioned Percarlo. But I am generally sceptic these days if posts like this are helpful. They may create hypes which are a disadvantage for consumers.
My Costco (The District in Irvine) has had Percarlo on the shelf for most of the last year. So I don't think you need to worry that mentioning it on this thread is going to create a problem.

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#44 Post by Nathan V. » March 13th, 2019, 9:33 am

Tom Reddick wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 9:24 pm
Jonathan Grunzweig wrote:
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For me, Soldera stands alone, in purity, ageability and distinction from any other, as well as for pure enjoyment.

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Agreed. A very rare case where one winery really does seem to have fully captured the magic.
I haven't had as much Soldera as I would like, but to me it is sui generis, like Rayas or Vatan, nothing else is quite like it.
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#45 Post by Steven Orloff » March 13th, 2019, 10:21 am

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#46 Post by Troy Stark » March 13th, 2019, 10:25 am

It's interesting to read about people's preferences in this thread. My wife and I have tried many different vintages of Valdicava. Just doesn't do anything for us. Too modern and oaky for our palates.
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#47 Post by R@y.Tupp@+sch » March 13th, 2019, 10:28 am

I'm hardly a Sangiovese expert and probably only drink 20 or so bottles per year but my favorites and therefore the ones I own are Poggio di Sotto, Stella di Campalto and Valdicava Madonna del Piano. The 2001 vintage of the latter is my favorite Sangiovese based wine.
I've had a lot of exposure to Soldera, but it just has never done it for me.
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#48 Post by Nathan Smyth » March 13th, 2019, 10:31 am

Tom Taylor wrote:
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the 2013 Agostini Pieri
That was my Fine Wine of the Year for 2018.

It's an epic "Sangiovese".

[Technically speaking, "Brunello" is supposed to be a slightly different cultivar, although the purists could probably argue about that question from now until the cows come home. Which I guess is easier than sending some plant material off for DNA analysis.]

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Re: Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?

#49 Post by Tim Heaton » March 13th, 2019, 10:36 am

Served blind last night in Brescia, I guessed Giacosa 1978.

Revealed, it was the 1988 Le Pergole Torte. I suppose if the guess is Giacosa, it's a win, either way. Great bottle, extremely elegant, with good>very good freshness, still. My top? No, but excellent nonetheless. A 2004 of this same bottle was a top 10 Sangiovese, no doubt.
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Re: Greatest Expressions of Sangiovese?

#50 Post by Pat Martin » March 13th, 2019, 10:45 am

Troy Stark wrote:
March 13th, 2019, 10:25 am
It's interesting to read about people's preferences in this thread. My wife and I have tried many different vintages of Valdicava. Just doesn't do anything for us. Too modern and oaky for our palates.
+1. Though the 2001 was surprisingly good.
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