Ceritas VS Arnot-Roberts

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Ceritas VS Arnot-Roberts

#1 Post by Gary York » March 8th, 2019, 10:11 pm

Not exactly the same, but both certainly darling enough to be compared. And I do like them both, just not sure how much. Been drinking a few bottlesfrom both recently and pretty much the only thing not to like is the price.
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#2 Post by Matt Mauldin » March 8th, 2019, 10:33 pm

Arnot Roberts to me is all about Syrah. Their Syrahs with age are a thing of beauty. For Burgundian varietals, I'll take Ceritas any day of the week.
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#3 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » March 8th, 2019, 10:56 pm

For chards, hands down Ceritas for my taste.
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#4 Post by David Baum » March 9th, 2019, 1:01 am

I understand your question but it's not my problem

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#5 Post by Russ Williams » March 9th, 2019, 9:27 am

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For chards, hands down Ceritas for my taste.
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#6 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 9th, 2019, 9:46 am

Me too, Ceritas Chardonnay is next-level CA wine.

I’m looking fwd to The A-R Cabs I have resting. Maybe test drive a 2010 next holiday season.
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#7 Post by Steve Brickley » March 9th, 2019, 10:02 am

Ceritas.
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#8 Post by lleichtman » March 9th, 2019, 1:18 pm

Ceritas for me. I was on the Arnot-Roberts mailing list for a few years but couldn't see the value. Wines were OK but not great. Ceritas Chardonnay is easily the best in CA.
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#9 Post by T. Melloni » March 9th, 2019, 1:38 pm

Arnot-Roberts cabs need time, but with some years of bottle age are wonderful expressions of the grape and site.
A-R's syrah wines are wonderful as well.
But for Pinot Noir and Chardonnay, I think Ceritas makes some of the finest, elegant wines coming out of California.
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#10 Post by Gary York » March 9th, 2019, 3:21 pm

I find Ceritas a little too cute. But maybe that is just me?
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#11 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 9th, 2019, 3:35 pm

Pulled an 11 PMR to go with lump dungeness tonight.
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#12 Post by Dale Bowers » March 9th, 2019, 4:04 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
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Pulled an 11 PMR to go with lump dungeness tonight.
What time is dinner? I’ll be right over. Yum !
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#13 Post by AndyK » March 9th, 2019, 4:32 pm

Arnot for Syrah and Cabs

Ceritas for Chardonnay

Tied for Pinot, although my experience with Ceritas PN is limited...
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#14 Post by AlexS » March 9th, 2019, 5:13 pm

Anyone skipping out on the Ceritas Cab doesn't know what they're missing.
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#15 Post by Markus S » March 9th, 2019, 5:22 pm

David Baum wrote:
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I understand your question but it's not my problem
So what is your problem then?

To the original poster, I don't think you need to choose. And there are so many other producers out there, why focus on only 2? I think they are different, with Arnot-Roberts more alligned to the AFWE wines, Ceritas more traditional. Both are lighter in weight compared to many others from the Golden State. If you want Trousseau or Syrah, you'll have to go to AR because Ceritas doesn't make them.
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#16 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 9th, 2019, 5:32 pm

We love the A-R Trousseau.
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#17 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 9th, 2019, 6:03 pm

Bruce Lee wax removal...
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#18 Post by Paul H Galli » March 9th, 2019, 8:26 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
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Bruce Lee wax removal...

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Can't stand wax seals....

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#19 Post by ky1em!ttskus » March 9th, 2019, 8:57 pm

Paul H Galli wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 8:26 pm
Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 6:03 pm
Bruce Lee wax removal...

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Can't stand wax seals....

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#20 Post by David Baum » March 9th, 2019, 9:10 pm

Markus S wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 5:22 pm
David Baum wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 1:01 am
I understand your question but it's not my problem
So what is your problem then?

To the original poster, I don't think you need to choose. And there are so many other producers out there, why focus on only 2? I think they are different, with Arnot-Roberts more alligned to the AFWE wines, Ceritas more traditional. Both are lighter in weight compared to many others from the Golden State. If you want Trousseau or Syrah, you'll have to go to AR because Ceritas doesn't make them.
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#21 Post by Al Osterheld » March 9th, 2019, 10:02 pm

I don't like wax seals, but the Ceritas wax is about as easy to remove as a foil. Some of the wineries say that you should just push the corkscrew through the way and it will all be fine. That's true for a few years when the wax is pliable and the cork is young, not so much with older wines. I find the Ceritas wax pretty easy to remove with the blade on a corkscrew, some others not so easy.

The hard lacquer wax on a Raveneau or Puffeney just makes a mess.

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#22 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 10th, 2019, 12:10 pm

Very happy I have eleven bottles left of the 2011 Ceritas PMR. Wine is all together now and a glorious melange of citrus, baked bread & crème brûlée. Real finish too.
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#23 Post by Justin S » March 10th, 2019, 12:33 pm

Recently (and accidentally) dropped a bottle of Arnot Roberts chardonnay on a concrete floor. Bottle was fine. Brittle wax cap shattered into a ton of pieces.

I find this is the easiest way to remove the wax.
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#24 Post by J.Vizuete » March 10th, 2019, 7:09 pm

Al Osterheld wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 10:02 pm

The hard lacquer wax on a Raveneau or Puffeney just makes a mess.

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Ugh.. PYCM...

I just tried an Arnot Roberts trout gulch on friday and it was pretty sharp - very acid driven. Two ceritas in the cellar and will open one soon..
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#25 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 15th, 2019, 9:01 am

Had 11 Ceritas Heintz last night and wife loved this wine. I preferred the PMR myself but clearly 2011 was a great vintage for Ceritas Chardonnay.
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