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#1 Post by Gabe Berk » March 7th, 2019, 11:27 am

Last vintage I was turned onto this wine. A friend gave me a glass at at BBQ and my taste buds perked up. I thought, "man, this is a solid glass of wine". I immediately started guessing varietals and price point before I saw the bottle. My guess at a Rhone blend was spot on. Figured $30-$40. When he said $12.99 I instantly thought of a house wine some gusto.

The 2016 just came out. I advise to buy some. Stuff is killer. QPR for days. https://www.klwines.com/p/i?i=1398942&c ... Code%23%23

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#2 Post by David Baum » March 7th, 2019, 11:35 am

A bottle of the 14 has been on my kitchen counter for a few weeks. Guess its time to pop that one

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#3 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r » March 7th, 2019, 11:36 am

Someone on this board tipped me off on this wine a bout 3-6 months ago. I knew as soon as i saw the title of this thread that this would be the wine!

Wine Library has it at $11.25/btl with free shipping if you have the Library Pass. I picked up 6 of the 15s last year and another 6 of the 16s last week.

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#4 Post by Kelly Walker » March 7th, 2019, 11:42 am

Lafage is a superstar of affordable southern french wines. This is from the European Cellars portfolio (Eric Solomon). Lafage also makes one of the best roses out there.
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#5 Post by ky1em!ttskus » March 7th, 2019, 11:45 am

In for some to try. :)

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#6 Post by Kelly Walker » March 7th, 2019, 11:54 am

From the European Cellars website tech sheet for the Bastide:

A custom cuvée for European Cellars and a joint project between Eric Solomon and Jean-Marc Lafage, Bastide Miraflors is a cuvée created from Grenache grown on rocky, alluvial clay soils resembling those of the Rhône Valley combined with Syrah grown on schist in the village of Maury. After a long maceration of six weeks the wine ages for 12 months in concrete (Grenache) and 600L French oak demi-muids (Syrah).

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#7 Post by Eric White » March 7th, 2019, 12:12 pm

agreed, we blew through a case of the 2015 in no time - time to stock up on the '16!

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#8 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 7th, 2019, 12:58 pm

My local retailer has the 2015 and 2016 for $15. I like some of what I am reading, but the alcohol is pretty up there for 80% syrah. Is this a modern-type cuvee? I like the concrete tank aging! And like the price, of course.

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#9 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 7th, 2019, 12:59 pm

the 2015 Bastide Miraflors Vieilles Vignes reminded me of a mini Syrah from California's Manfred Krankl (yes I just compared a $14 Syrah to Sine Qua Non). It's a ripe, sexy, heady beauty that exhibits a deep, purple color as well as killer notes of smoked meats, chocolate, blackberry and black raspberries. Deep, unctuous, open knit and layered,
Ok, answered my own question. Above is JD's note.

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#10 Post by Christian Becker » March 7th, 2019, 1:01 pm

Had the Nicolas Cuvee from LaFage a while back. I think I paid $14 and thought it was outstanding. I'll have to try this bottling.

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#11 Post by Eric S n y d e r » March 7th, 2019, 1:04 pm

I buy a few every Costco trip. Agreed, it’s near if not the top of the list of sub-$15 reds.

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#12 Post by Scott E. » March 7th, 2019, 1:06 pm

I tried a couple of the 2015's and wasn't all that impressed - even at $14 per bottle. If it floats your boat, that's great - to each his own. Cheers!
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#13 Post by Justin S » March 7th, 2019, 3:00 pm

I've had this wine a few times during the Xmas holiday party season. Very decent wine, particularly when most wine at this price is not.
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#14 Post by Doug Schulman » March 7th, 2019, 4:09 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 7th, 2019, 12:59 pm
the 2015 Bastide Miraflors Vieilles Vignes reminded me of a mini Syrah from California's Manfred Krankl (yes I just compared a $14 Syrah to Sine Qua Non). It's a ripe, sexy, heady beauty that exhibits a deep, purple color as well as killer notes of smoked meats, chocolate, blackberry and black raspberries. Deep, unctuous, open knit and layered,
Ok, answered my own question. Above is JD's note.
I was going to offer my own opinion, but yes, that note tells you what you need to know. I think this is a very nice wine for the money for people who like this style. I also think, based on what I see of your posts, that you would not like it.
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#15 Post by Brian Glas » March 7th, 2019, 8:11 pm

Agreed. I've bought several cases of the Lafage wines over the years. They never last too long so I see how they can age.

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#16 Post by Anton D » March 7th, 2019, 9:02 pm

Only 210 dollars at French Laundry.
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#17 Post by S teve R edenbaugh » March 7th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Prefer the white version of Lafage...La Centenaries Grenache Blanc...has been my patio wine for 5 or 6 years. I find the reds, while quaffable, tend to have a bit more unbalanced fruit than I usually want.

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#18 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » March 7th, 2019, 10:43 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
March 7th, 2019, 12:59 pm
the 2015 Bastide Miraflors Vieilles Vignes reminded me of a mini Syrah from California's Manfred Krankl (yes I just compared a $14 Syrah to Sine Qua Non). It's a ripe, sexy, heady beauty that exhibits a deep, purple color as well as killer notes of smoked meats, chocolate, blackberry and black raspberries. Deep, unctuous, open knit and layered,
Ok, answered my own question. Above is JD's note.
That post is appreciated, and thanks to Doug too. It sounds great for parties.
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#19 Post by Gray G » March 8th, 2019, 7:06 pm

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#20 Post by John Glas » March 8th, 2019, 7:24 pm

I tried a couple of the 2015's and wasn't all that impressed - even at $14 per bottle. If it floats your boat, that's great - to each his own. Cheers!
I had the 14 and 11 and mid 80s for me. It is ok but tends to be sweet.

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#21 Post by Chuck J o r d a n » March 8th, 2019, 7:53 pm

Aaaaannndd.... i cant find it near me. Anyone in the southlake/colleyville area of DFW sell it? I may just have to order it.

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#22 Post by jcoley3 » March 8th, 2019, 8:07 pm

Anton D wrote:
March 7th, 2019, 9:02 pm
Only 210 dollars at French Laundry.
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As the the wine itself, I was surprised by liking the 2014. I saw Jeb's score and despite liking him I kind of eye-rolled the 93, but the wine was really quite solid and I didn't find it over-the-top for my mostly old world palate. Didn't try the 15, though.

The 14 made me think of the kind of wine I could serve to a wide variety of people and still indulge my old world preferences.
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#23 Post by John Glas » March 9th, 2019, 3:21 pm

Anton D wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:02 am
Only 210 dollars at French Laundry.


As the the wine itself, I was surprised by liking the 2014. I saw Jeb's score and despite liking him I kind of eye-rolled the 93, but the wine was really quite solid and I didn't find it over-the-top for my mostly old world palate. Didn't try the 15, though.

The 14 made me think of the kind of wine I could serve to a wide variety of people and still indulge my old world preferences.
$210. What is the cheapest wine there? 93 points is excessive for this wine in any vintage.

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#24 Post by Peter Kleban » March 9th, 2019, 4:26 pm

A favorite around here. Bright, cheery and interesting. Can't beat the price. The '14 was very good, the $15 even better. TNs on CT if you're interested.
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#25 Post by Stephen Faulkner » March 9th, 2019, 5:01 pm

John Glas wrote:
March 9th, 2019, 3:21 pm
Anton D wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:02 am
Only 210 dollars at French Laundry.


As the the wine itself, I was surprised by liking the 2014. I saw Jeb's score and despite liking him I kind of eye-rolled the 93, but the wine was really quite solid and I didn't find it over-the-top for my mostly old world palate. Didn't try the 15, though.

The 14 made me think of the kind of wine I could serve to a wide variety of people and still indulge my old world preferences.
$210. What is the cheapest wine there? 93 points is excessive for this wine in any vintage.
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#26 Post by John Glas » March 9th, 2019, 5:38 pm

John Glas wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:21 pm
Anton D wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:02 am
Only 210 dollars at French Laundry.


As the the wine itself, I was surprised by liking the 2014. I saw Jeb's score and despite liking him I kind of eye-rolled the 93, but the wine was really quite solid and I didn't find it over-the-top for my mostly old world palate. Didn't try the 15, though.

The 14 made me think of the kind of wine I could serve to a wide variety of people and still indulge my old world preferences.
$210. What is the cheapest wine there? 93 points is excessive for this wine in any vintage.
You apparently are not acquainted with Mr. Dunnuck.
Yes I am. The Prisoner also gets 95 points from critics along with the Big Easy. Doesn't mean it is a good wine.

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#27 Post by John Glas » March 9th, 2019, 5:42 pm

Stephen if Jeb gave it 93 James Suckling I bet gave it 95.

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#28 Post by Barry Sunderland » March 10th, 2019, 6:37 pm

Drinking a glass of the ‘16 as I write.
PnP...
Very dark, opaque purple in color.
Deep, satisfying aromas black fruits, a tinge of citrus, and a gentle touch of spice.
Out of the gate, this is rich, full-bodied, but NOT jammy...some structure of light, grippy tannins, AND some sing-songy, bouncy acidity which keeps things bright and lip-smacking in a surprisingly, medium-long finish. And thank God, nothing overly-oaky or tasting ‘manufactured’. While able to last, I imagine, 3-5 years, this is a wine for the here and now.
At any price range, easily 91-92 points...
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#29 Post by Kelly Walker » March 10th, 2019, 9:09 pm

If you are having dinner party of non-wine geeks or a garden party, this wine is a no-brainer. It is a make people happy wine. You become a wine hero.
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#30 Post by Gabe Berk » March 11th, 2019, 12:24 pm

Popped a bottle at a dinner party last night. I can't recall a better bottle for $13. As mentioned before in a previous reply, it doesn't taste "manufactured" which often is the case with $10-$18 bottles of wine. I purchased another 6 bottles for $85. Someone brought a $70 bottle of single vineyard Syrah from Santa Lucia Highlands and it surprisingly hung with it-especially considering it's 1/5 the price.

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#31 Post by b. c@stner » March 11th, 2019, 3:16 pm

Enjoyed a 2016 last evening. A mini SQN? Hardly. A mini Lillian? Maybe.
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#32 Post by T@ntina A » March 11th, 2019, 3:17 pm

Nice - I bought two bottles earlier this year. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but given this thread I am looking forward to my $13 bottles :)

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#33 Post by Joe G a l e w s k i » March 11th, 2019, 3:28 pm

Kelly Walker wrote:
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If you are having dinner party of non-wine geeks or a garden party, this wine is a no-brainer. It is a make people happy wine. You become a wine hero.
That is what I will do with my last bottle, and I look forward to the result. Thanks for the suggestion. For myself, I find it to be very much a party wine, fruit-forward and the fruit is uninteresting, flabby, lacking acid, overly sweet. I can drink it, I can, but I prefer not to. I don't regret buying, and would not buy again. I do feel, as you suggested, this might be kind of a crowd-pleaser among non-wine people. My opinion is based off a 2014 that I drank in 2016 and again tonight.

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#34 Post by Gray G » March 11th, 2019, 3:31 pm

back up the truck
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#35 Post by John Glas » March 13th, 2019, 5:03 pm

That is what I will do with my last bottle, and I look forward to the result. Thanks for the suggestion. For myself, I find it to be very much a party wine, fruit-forward and the fruit is uninteresting, flabby, lacking acid, overly sweet. I can drink it, I can, but I prefer not to. I don't regret buying, and would not buy again. I do feel, as you suggested, this might be kind of a crowd-pleaser among non-wine people. My opinion is based off a 2014 that I drank in 2016 and again tonight.
So Joe you are not going 93 points that Jeb gave this wine. I agree with your assessment this is a simple fruit forward wine that is not that interesting.

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#36 Post by John Glas » March 13th, 2019, 5:07 pm

back up the truck
Try it before you buy it. These wines are not for my palate as they are fruit forward and offer little complexity.

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#37 Post by Mike Maguire » March 13th, 2019, 6:36 pm

The definition of an every day drinker, pleasant and delicious but not compelling.

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#38 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » April 1st, 2019, 5:40 pm

I’ll echo prior comments, back up the truck.

The 16 is dangerously easy to drink, utterly smooth, and has nice fruit and finish. Beautiful wine. After the first sip I ordered 3 more cases.

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#39 Post by YLee » April 1st, 2019, 5:54 pm

Opened my bottle today. Slow-ox for 3 hours. Not for me. Flabby, no complexity, not much on the nose and felt almost as if I was drinking wine mixed with bit of water. Very boring wine. Definitely not the best $13 wine.
Definitely not a 94 point. I gave it a 83.
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#40 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » April 1st, 2019, 6:09 pm

You don’t need to slow ox that wine, it’s good to go on pop and pour. That’s probably why it didn’t show well. It’s not meant for aging.

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#41 Post by YLee » April 1st, 2019, 7:36 pm

I took a taste right away once i opened. It wasnt good so i slow-ox ad took a taste every 30mins. IMO it got abit better but still not worth the $11 I paid. Got 4 left. Hopefully it was just a bad bottle.
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#42 Post by Eric S n y d e r » April 1st, 2019, 7:36 pm

YLee wrote:
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Opened my bottle today. Slow-ox for 3 hours. Not for me. Flabby, no complexity, not much on the nose and felt almost as if I was drinking wine mixed with bit of water. Very boring wine. Definitely not the best $13 wine.
Definitely not a 94 point. I gave it a 83.
Maybe it's bottle variation.
The first thing I’ve noticed about this wine is that there seems to be a lot of variation. The profile stays the same, but intensity is either there, or it’s a little flabby.
Second, it’s always best on PnP for me, drank within the first hour. YMMV.

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#43 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d » April 1st, 2019, 7:58 pm

The 2015 was released here in Ontario last year and was re-released a few weeks ago at $19.95 CAD. I tried a bottle when it was first released and was not a fan. Same reasons as others have stated: flabby, simple, too sweet.

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#44 Post by ky1em!ttskus » April 1st, 2019, 8:20 pm

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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You don’t need to slow ox that wine, it’s good to go on pop and pour. That’s probably why it didn’t show well. It’s not meant for aging.
I haven’t opened a bottle yet, but soon.

That being said, this comment seems strange to me. A wine can’t survive for 3 hours open? It’s only good for the first 20 min?

I think Yong just as a different (possibly yak!) palate.

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#45 Post by Sean_S » April 1st, 2019, 9:55 pm

YLee wrote:
April 1st, 2019, 5:54 pm
Opened my bottle today. Slow-ox for 3 hours. Not for me. Flabby, no complexity, not much on the nose and felt almost as if I was drinking wine mixed with bit of water. Very boring wine. Definitely not the best $13 wine.
Definitely not a 94 point. I gave it a 83.
Maybe it's bottle variation.
Sounds like the ones I have had. A bit jammy, flabby, no complexity. I'll take a DOCG Chianti Classico any day for that money....

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#46 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » April 2nd, 2019, 4:04 am

Maybe it was bottle variation; idk. I thought the 16 was much more restrained than the 15, but they’re absolutely perfect wines to serve at a big bbq or party for non-wine people, which is why I stocked up.

Also, I’d be thrilled to see this on the list at restaurants instead of Francis Coppola, Meiomi, etc.

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#47 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » April 2nd, 2019, 4:12 am

I also recently opened a 17 Raul Perez Ultreia St Jacques which is a much more complex wine for not much more, but I think would be less of a crowd pleaser.

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#48 Post by Jonathan H » April 2nd, 2019, 10:33 am

I try to buy a few of these every time I see them at Costco. Tough to beat for the price! Perfect bbq wine
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#49 Post by Mike Ott » April 2nd, 2019, 11:21 am

Agree on Perez St Jacques...amazing qpr and you can find some amazing deals. I've introduced it to quite a few friends and was surprised almost all of them thoroughly enjoyed it (a bit different than your typical every day drinking wine).

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#50 Post by YLee » April 2nd, 2019, 11:33 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
April 2nd, 2019, 4:12 am
I also recently opened a 17 Raul Perez Ultreia St Jacques which is a much more complex wine for not much more, but I think would be less of a crowd pleaser.
I will try Raul Perez Ultreia St Jacques next time I'm in Spain.
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