The search for a “wow” Rosé

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The search for a “wow” Rosé

#1 Post by Barry IncaRoads Sheck » February 25th, 2019, 3:44 pm

Have yet to have one that caused me to sit up and take notice. Always enjoy them sitting on a porch on a beautiful Summer day/eve, or as a splendid paring with some nice, light fare...but not once has a Rosé put me in that deep contemplative zone of oenophilic bliss.

Whatcha got for me to try out to take me “there?” Keeping pricetag comfortably under the $50ish a pop range a huge plus.

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#2 Post by Marcus Dean » February 25th, 2019, 3:46 pm

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#3 Post by Jeremy Holmes » February 25th, 2019, 3:46 pm

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#4 Post by jcoley3 » February 25th, 2019, 4:14 pm

If we’re not counting bubbly, I would say the Clos Cibonne Cuvée Speciale is pretty exciting.
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#5 Post by Chris H. » February 25th, 2019, 4:19 pm

Domaine Tempier has been my favorite, but for QPR, Bedrock's Ode to Lulu is one that is always in my cellar, or wine fridge (until I run out!).
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#6 Post by Gary York » February 25th, 2019, 4:22 pm

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#7 Post by Eric Lundblad » February 25th, 2019, 4:25 pm

jcoley3 wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 4:14 pm
If we’re not counting bubbly, I would say the Clos Cibonne Cuvée Speciale is pretty exciting.
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#8 Post by RyanC » February 25th, 2019, 4:26 pm

I’ve never had a non-Champagne ‘wow’ Rose. Tempier comes the closest.
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#9 Post by Troy Stark » February 25th, 2019, 4:32 pm

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#10 Post by David_K » February 25th, 2019, 4:43 pm

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#11 Post by Michae1 P0wers » February 25th, 2019, 4:53 pm

jcoley3 wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 4:14 pm
If we’re not counting bubbly, I would say the Clos Cibonne Cuvée Speciale is pretty exciting.
I typically prefer rose as a refreshing drink for warm weather, but for a serious version, this is really good. Gros Nore Bandol is another really good one at a somewhat lower price than Tempier.

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#12 Post by Jim Anderson » February 25th, 2019, 5:04 pm

Lots of good suggestions.

2017 Y Leccia Patrimonio
2017 Abbatucci Cuvée Faustine

Generally am very taken by the pink wines from Corsica. Perhaps harder to find and a couple bucks more than “comparable” wines but nonetheless damn fine rose.
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#13 Post by LMD Ermitaño » February 25th, 2019, 5:08 pm

Tempier, as others have stated.

Lately, I’ve been greatly enjoying the 2012 Biondi Santi Rosato. Excellent stuff.
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#14 Post by Jerry Hey » February 25th, 2019, 5:15 pm

PYCM rosé from Pinot Noir - the most like a glass of great wine I've tried.

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#15 Post by Jim Stewart » February 25th, 2019, 5:17 pm

2017 Domaine Vacheron Sancerre Rosé (but one person's "wow" can be another person's "meh")

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#16 Post by M. Meer » February 25th, 2019, 5:20 pm

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#17 Post by R_Gilbane » February 25th, 2019, 5:21 pm

Would be helpful if OP added context. What have you tried to date? Also entirely possible that there will never be a “wow” rose for you. And that’s not a terrible thing either.
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#18 Post by Barry IncaRoads Sheck » February 25th, 2019, 5:21 pm

Awesome, thanks for the feedback.

As expected, not many stateside suggestions. The Rosé that tickled my fancy the most was a Rochioli. Suppose I have to get my azz out of the US and look to France for greater Rosé QPR, eh?

Edited to add: other Rosé that I have had that have been highly enjoyable are Dehlinger, Scherrer and Gary Farrell.
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#19 Post by B. Buzzini » February 25th, 2019, 5:23 pm

Tempier has always been a goto Provençal classic, but never a "wow" wine for me. Three Roses that have had me shout out SWEET BABY JESUS!!...Cotat(Francois/Pascal), Chateau Thivin, and Emidio Pepe Cerasuolo d'Abruzzo.
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#20 Post by Howard Cooper » February 25th, 2019, 5:25 pm

I was tempted to go with Bandols from Tempier or Pradeaux as they are quite good but the best rose I have ever had was from Cotat.
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#21 Post by Anton D » February 25th, 2019, 5:25 pm

B. Buzzini wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 5:23 pm
Tempier has always been a goto Provençal classic, but never a "wow" wine for me. Three Roses that have had me shout out SWEET BABY JESUS!!...Cotat(Francois/Pascal), Chateau Thivin, and Emidio Pepe Cerasuolo d'Abruzzo.
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#22 Post by Mattstolz » February 25th, 2019, 5:48 pm

im not much of a fan of pale rose like Provence, I'd rather just have a white in most cases when drinking those... so I lean more heavily on rose like the Enfield Foot Tread Rose. Its delicious, the color is beautiful, and it makes a good case for why I would drink this wine instead of just reaching for a white instead.

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#23 Post by Jeff Vaughan » February 25th, 2019, 5:51 pm

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#24 Post by Joe W i n o g r a d » February 25th, 2019, 5:52 pm

I have found unexpected bliss in

Girolamo Russo Etna Rosato

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#25 Post by Rob_S » February 25th, 2019, 6:07 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 5:48 pm
rose like the Enfield Foot Tread Rose. Its delicious, the color is beautiful, and it makes a good case for why I would drink this wine instead of just reaching for a white instead.
+1 maybe not one of the best wines I had last year but certainly one of the "wow" wines I had last year.

Add Chateau Simone which has only been mentioned once so far and needs to be mentioned again.
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#26 Post by Andrew S. » February 25th, 2019, 6:22 pm

François Cotat or Tempier with a lot of age on them. Like a decade. Or more. Stunningly good. A friend opened one for me with ~15 years of age 15 years or so ago. I was frankly skeptical. Then I was entranced.

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#27 Post by Scott Tallman » February 25th, 2019, 6:30 pm

jcoley3 wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 4:14 pm
If we’re not counting bubbly, I would say the Clos Cibonne Cuvée Speciale is pretty exciting.
This, plus Simone Palette Rosé and Boulay Sancerre Rosé.
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#28 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 25th, 2019, 6:51 pm

I like, but do not love, rose. Don't really drink it much. Now that said, I love love rose champagne. Prefer it over regular champagne any day.

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#29 Post by Joe Z » February 25th, 2019, 7:10 pm

Joe W i n o g r a d wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 5:52 pm
I have found unexpected bliss in

Girolamo Russo Etna Rosato

and

Forlorn Hope Touriga Nacional Ukiyo Dewitt Vineyard
I also have had some bliss with the Girolamo Russo Erna Rosato. Terre Nere also makes a nice Etna Rosato.

Bibi Graetz also has a Casamatta Rosato that is good for the price.
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#30 Post by Karl K » February 25th, 2019, 7:13 pm

Musar Rose is wow
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#31 Post by m. ristev » February 25th, 2019, 7:43 pm

valentini without a doubt. its 40-50 euro in italy but it might be difficult to find in that range stateside.
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#32 Post by J a y H a c k » February 25th, 2019, 7:53 pm

LMD Ermitaño wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 5:08 pm
. . .
Lately, I’ve been greatly enjoying the 2012 Biondi Santi Rosato. Excellent stuff.
We served this blind in a three wine flight with Sine Qua Non Rose and Tercero Rose of Mourvedre to about 10 experienced amateur tasters. I know it's hard to believe, but the Tercero was the clear winner. About one third preferred the Tercero, and everyone who preferred one of the other two rated the Tercero second. No one rated the Tercero last. I was very disappointed with the Biondi Santi. IU understand that they were disappointed with it also and ceased production.

The Tercero has a number of important advantages. It is not expensive, there is no waiting list, it is still in production and my wife says it is the only Rose she likes. This and the fact that the winery is a Berserker business.
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#33 Post by Todd Tucker » February 25th, 2019, 8:06 pm

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#34 Post by LMD Ermitaño » February 25th, 2019, 9:14 pm

J a y H a c k wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 7:53 pm
We served this blind in a three wine flight with Sine Qua Non Rose and Tercero Rose of Mourvedre to about 10 experienced amateur tasters. I know it's hard to believe, but the Tercero was the clear winner. About one third preferred the Tercero, and everyone who preferred one of the other two rated the Tercero second. No one rated the Tercero last. I was very disappointed with the Biondi Santi. IU understand that they were disappointed with it also and ceased production.

The Tercero has a number of important advantages. It is not expensive, there is no waiting list, it is still in production and my wife says it is the only Rose she likes. This and the fact that the winery is a Berserker business.
I wouldn’t have a basis to find it “hard to believe” that Tercero was “the clear winner”, as I’ve never heard of, nor ever tried, Tercero. More “experienced amateur tasters” preferred the Tercero blind? Good for them. To each his own.

As to why the family is discontinuing the Biondi Santi Rosato; during a dinner with Tancredi Biondi Santi this past 27th November, I asked him why they were doing so (given it was his late grandfather’s preferred daily drink). Tancredi told me it was because of the rising demand for their Rosso di Montalcino, the fruit used of which is the same as that of the rosato. Apparently, the rosato doesn’t really sell very well, and there is rising demand for their rosso around Asia.

Pity, as I like their rosato; but see no reason to drink their rosso (I buy already aged Annata and Riserva). I then asked whether or not he thinks they’d ever revive production of their rosato sometime in the future. He shrugged and said “Maybe. You never know.”

Of course, I understand it’s just business. I bought more of their rosato the next day.
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#35 Post by Kris Patten » February 25th, 2019, 9:25 pm

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#37 Post by IlkkaL » February 25th, 2019, 9:37 pm

jcoley3 wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 4:14 pm
If we’re not counting bubbly, I would say the Clos Cibonne Cuvée Speciale is pretty exciting.
This - and with some age ideally!
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#38 Post by Gary York » February 25th, 2019, 9:49 pm

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#39 Post by Tom Reddick » February 25th, 2019, 10:42 pm

It is not easy to find and goes fast when it comes to market, but the one rose that I really and truly love is Il Poggione Brancato Rosato.
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#40 Post by Mattstolz » February 26th, 2019, 3:05 am

LMD Ermitaño wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 9:14 pm


As to why the family is discontinuing the Biondi Santi Rosato; during a dinner with Tancredi Biondi Santi this past 27th November, I asked him why they were doing so (given it was his late grandfather’s preferred daily drink). Tancredi told me it was because of the rising demand for their Rosso di Montalcino, the fruit used of which is the same as that of the rosato. Apparently, the rosato doesn’t really sell very well, and there is rising demand for their rosso around Asia.

Pity, as I like their rosato; but see no reason to drink their rosso (I buy already aged Annata and Riserva). I then asked whether or not he thinks they’d ever revive production of their rosato sometime in the future. He shrugged and said “Maybe. You never know.”

Of course, I understand it’s just business. I bought more of their rosato the next day.
I think that statement has the "why" tucked into it. I love the BS Rosso because I can't buy the Annata every week and can't afford the Riserva ever, but love their wine. Reading your post, I was actually really happy to hear that it might be a little easier to hunt down their Rosso in the future with them switching gears! haha

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#41 Post by Joe S. » February 26th, 2019, 4:03 am

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I have one of these which I am very excited to taste. Very hard to find around my neck of the woods.

I do enjoy the Bedrock and Liquid Farm roses, and the Tempier is also nice. As others have mentioned, I have never had a wow moment with rose either. But I have had some nice summer outdoor lunches with rose - great times but more about the total experience than the wow of the wine.
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#42 Post by Justin Wittkopf » February 26th, 2019, 4:38 am

Surprised this one has not been named, yet. It’s by far the best Rose I’ve ever tasted and I think its the highest rated Rose by the “pro critics”, as well.

Chateau d'Esclans Rose Garrus. The 2016 was given 97 points by Decanter.

I had this served to me by Claude Blankiet at a tasting where he was trying to show his Blankiet Rose (damn fine wine, too) against the “best rose in the world”, the Chateau d’Esclans. I remember the tasting well. It was my first time with this wine and it blew me away. Honestly didn’t believe a rose wine would ever do that to me.

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#43 Post by Kirk.Grant » February 26th, 2019, 4:49 am

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Musar Rose is wow
I agree...completely.
  • 1995 Chateau Musar Rosé - Lebanon, Bekaa Valley (9/24/2017)
    NIGHT ONE: I didn't honestly have high hopes for this after the last bottle we opened on my birthday last year. However...this is just in a lovely spot. It's actually more like a mature version of the blanc right now. Scents of beeswax, yellow delicious apples, and cherimoya...the nose on this is exotic!! On the palate there's a hint of dried strawberries, orange marmalade, and star fruit. The finish is long and complex, framed by the high acidity this was just about perfect with salami & a pasta dish with fresh oregano, olive oil, and diced tomatoes with some African blue basil salt. At 22 years old...this still seems like it has plenty of room to age in the cellar. It's been open now for 3+ hours and there's no signs of fading or falling apart...I think I might even save some to taste tomorrow and see if it shows as well as some of the blancs do on day two. An extraordinary rosé for those that love rosé and the geekier side of wine...just lovely.

    NIGHT TWO: At this point, this wine has been open for 26 hours. Scents of green bananas, brown butter, toffee, and camomile tea are most notable on the nose. The palate is showing slight signs of oxidation with a prickling tart of acidity leading into notes of lime, kiwi, and kumquat on the palate...this wine is a completely different monster tonight!!! I'm sold...such an epic wine. It's like a completely different wine tonight...and I love it still. Med+ acidity, med+ fruit, with a medium length, highly complex finish. Epic juice...this is the best Rosé that I've had. Wow...just wow. Unfortunately this won't be lasting another night...it's just too damn good right now. If you have some of this...you're very lucky.

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#44 Post by Otto Forsberg » February 26th, 2019, 4:50 am

Valentini Cerasuolo d'Abruzzo can take on some serious aging with no problems. The best vintages can be remarkable acid bombs with impressive sense of concentration.
Massa Vecchia Rosato 2006 was an astounding wine, but probably closer to a light yet concentrated red than anything rosé-like, which probably made it feel so wow.
The same thing goes with Oliver Horiot Rosé des Riceys En Barmont 2003.
R. Lopez de Heredia Vina Tondonia Gran Reserva Rosado and Chateau Musar Rosé obviously belong to this category.
Dominio del Aguila Picaro del Aguila is a wonderfully funky, somewhat oxidative, burly and simply weird effort that really redefines what a rosé can be.
Terroir al Limit Roc d'Aubaga is a ridiculously mineral, fresh and complex rosé - really something you couldn't believe coming from Priorat.
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#45 Post by Nick Kra Mar Ski » February 26th, 2019, 4:51 am

Justin Wittkopf wrote:
February 26th, 2019, 4:38 am
Surprised this one has not been named, yet. It’s by far the best Rose I’ve ever tasted and I think its the highest rated Rose by the “pro critics”, as well.

Chateau d'Esclans Rose Garrus. The 2016 was given 97 points by Decanter.

I had this served to me by Claude Blankiet at a tasting where he was trying to show his Blankiet Rose (damn fine wine, too) against the “best rose in the world”, the Chateau d’Esclans. I remember the tasting well. It was my first time with this wine and it blew me away. Honestly didn’t believe a rose wine would ever do that to me.
That is likely because OP asked for $40-50 range.

Only one above that range I'd say (and I'm just going to crimp from my Rose thread I started yesterday morning) is Antica Terra's Angelicall; in order of "wow"

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#46 Post by Bill Sweeney » February 26th, 2019, 4:53 am

Jeremy Holmes wrote:
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2017 Jean Fournier Marsannay Rosé
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#47 Post by Markus S » February 26th, 2019, 5:10 am

R_Gilbane wrote:
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.... entirely possible that there will never be a “wow” rose for you.....
True, especially if he wants one under 50-bucks. [wow.gif]
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#48 Post by Markus S » February 26th, 2019, 5:11 am

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February 26th, 2019, 4:49 am
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Re: The search for a “wow” Rosé

#49 Post by scamhi » February 26th, 2019, 5:19 am

Lucien Crochet Sancerre Rose (pinot noir)
and I also buy every year Domaine Du Fontsainte Gris de Gris Corbieres Rose
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Re: The search for a “wow” Rosé

#50 Post by Edward H. Earles » February 26th, 2019, 5:32 am

The Dominio Dostares Tombú Rosado, made from the Prieto Picudo grape, was excellent, and worth a bulk purchase. Sadly, they lost their U.S. importer a couple of years back, and it no longer comes into our country. If it ever reappears, buy a case.

C.V.N.E. makes a very creditable rosado that I like a lot. Hard to find here, but won't be a problem for you West-Coasters.

Pierre and Catherine Breton in the Loire make a Cab Franc rose that's dynamite....when they make it. It's not made every year, but the QPR is off the chart. Worth a multi-case purchase. It's on the dark side for a rose, almost a light red.

Perhaps the best rose I've had was also the most unusual. It was a "natural" wine made in a garage in the Sierra Foothills, and was very savory and minerally, exceptionally tasty, without being fruity. The name escapes me at the moment but I'll find it and post here. The vintner is a small producer but the wine has a great reputation among a small group that is "in the know", and he sells out each vintage immediately.

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