2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#101 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 8th, 2019, 8:13 am

Nick O wrote:
March 8th, 2019, 7:48 am
Bdklein wrote:
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Did anybody else have their allocation decreased? For the 2017 I had 8x375ml, 6x750ml, and 1x1.5l. For the 2018 vintage I was only offered 6x 750ml. Did this happen to anybody else?
What did you order of the 2017 allocation?
I took my full allocation last year. Not sure what gives. This is only the third year that I’ve purchased futures, so maybe that has something to do with it?
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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#102 Post by JDavisRoby » March 8th, 2019, 11:47 pm

Opened a 2012 Ridge Merlot Estate tonight. Made me want to do the futures...

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#103 Post by robert creth » March 9th, 2019, 11:14 am

Just paid for the estate bottles, swapping out the Chardonnay for an extra Merlot. Will find out in May if I get some MB.

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#104 Post by Alan Rath » March 9th, 2019, 4:58 pm

Lonely up on the Ridge for today's assemblage tasting
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#105 Post by Al Osterheld » March 9th, 2019, 6:40 pm

Where's the picnic?

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#106 Post by Larry Stein » March 9th, 2019, 6:44 pm

I pm’d him to see if the picnic table tarps were up. Our group is going tomorrow. Not supposed to get rain until 2-ish.

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#107 Post by Alan Rath » March 9th, 2019, 8:27 pm

The lower front area was being used for check in and two wine stations. Couple of the picnic tables on the next level had tarps over them. Didn’t look at the newer area above that. What I can tell you is that it was cold out there, so bundle up if you want to be outside.

Wines were great. 16 Monte Bello is terrific. 18 components and assemblage were excellent, a cooler more red fruited year across the board, with strong acidity. 16 estate cab is very tasty, high quality. 17 geyserville a very good rendition, Eric told me it was picked before the September heat spikes, which they could see coming. So nothing ripe or roasted.

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#108 Post by Craig G » March 9th, 2019, 8:58 pm

40 degrees up there today.

I agree, 16 looks excellent for Estate Cab and MB. I usually find MB a bit hard to drink young but this one was an exception.
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#109 Post by Larry Stein » March 11th, 2019, 9:25 am

Here's my take. For 2018, Cab Sauv component was simply stunning. That bodes well for the Cab used for the Estate wine. I felt Merlot was too sweet, less savory than past vintages. Also, lacked structure. I hope less is used than usual in the final blend. Petit Verdot was all structure which should help mitigate the softness in the Merlot. There was no Cab Franc component to taste. Will 18 MB just be a 3 variety blend? I should have asked. The 18 co-fermented blend (38% Merlot, 35 Cab Franc, 27 Cab Sauv) was an interesting exercise, but I didn't find it compelling. 17 Geyserville is excellent.

Agree with the above comments on 16 MB and Estate Cab.

We lucked out on the weather yesterday. It was certainly chilly, but barely got any rain.

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#110 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 11th, 2019, 9:42 am

when does the 16 MB ship, do you know?
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#111 Post by Larry Stein » March 11th, 2019, 9:43 am

No idea. I picked up my '16 MB. Call the winery.

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#112 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 11th, 2019, 9:46 am

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No idea. I picked up my '16 MB. Call the winery.
Thanks Larry. I dropped off the list but still have 16 and 17 to be delivered
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#113 Post by Wes Barton » March 11th, 2019, 10:18 am

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Here's my take. For 2018, Cab Sauv component was simply stunning. That bodes well for the Cab used for the Estate wine. I felt Merlot was too sweet, less savory than past vintages. Also, lacked structure. I hope less is used than usual in the final blend. Petit Verdot was all structure which should help mitigate the softness in the Merlot. There was no Cab Franc component to taste. Will 18 MB just be a 3 variety blend? I should have asked. The 18 co-fermented blend (38% Merlot, 35 Cab Franc, 27 Cab Sauv) was an interesting exercise, but I didn't find it compelling. 17 Geyserville is excellent.

Agree with the above comments on 16 MB and Estate Cab.

We lucked out on the weather yesterday. It was certainly chilly, but barely got any rain.
Remember/note the components were are sampled are from single barrels from single blocks. This particular time I was told there was great variation in the Merlot bottles, since they were from different barrels. I think the sweetness in the sample several of us got was from new oak. It didn't phase me in the least, but I'm accustomed to tasting uncurated barrel samples. A couple people asked my opinion when we were tasting.

This was Merlot from above the tasting room. I got some elegance and enough good stuff that I'd think it would be worth bench testing in the blend, and would agree it probably contribute, at best, as a low part of the blend. It showed typical of what I noted above about the Estate Merlot (which has it's fans). The Merlot that's a mile up the road, above the winery itself is an entirely different animal. That stuff kicks ass and nearly always makes the cut.

Loved the PV and CS components, as well as the early assemblage.

And yes, the '16 MB is top notch, and the '16 Estate Cab is back up the truck good.
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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#114 Post by Alan Rath » March 11th, 2019, 10:20 am

Larry Stein wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 9:25 am
Here's my take. For 2018, Cab Sauv component was simply stunning. That bodes well for the Cab used for the Estate wine. I felt Merlot was too sweet, less savory than past vintages. Also, lacked structure. I hope less is used than usual in the final blend. Petit Verdot was all structure which should help mitigate the softness in the Merlot. There was no Cab Franc component to taste. Will 18 MB just be a 3 variety blend? I should have asked. The 18 co-fermented blend (38% Merlot, 35 Cab Franc, 27 Cab Sauv) was an interesting exercise, but I didn't find it compelling. 17 Geyserville is excellent.
Keep in mind (I believe) that the components you taste by definition aren't in the blend, so they may not be quite at the level of those that have already made the assemblage. Eric talked about the cofermented lot, describing it as one section of some of the oldest vines that all ripen around the same time, and that he did this to increase the fermentation mass so there wouldn't be just small bins of each. I forgot to ask if that lot is likely to make the final assemblage. Interesting comment on the Merlot, I found it more restrained and red-fruited than in past years (particularly the 17 samples last year, which was warmer). My shorthand notes on the components:

Cofermented blend - franc/merlot/cab quite nice darker fruit tasty gd balance
Merlot - restrained more red fruit
Petite Verdot - dark color, unusually bright and fresh dark red fruit, ex acidity and fine struct
Cab - med rich deep dark red fruit beautiful balance tasty
18 Assemblage - dark red color, beautiful deep red fruit ex acidity med fine tannins, not a huge wine but beautiful flavor and balance, more red fruited this year

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#115 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 12th, 2019, 11:27 am

BTW, I was told today that my 2016 MBs will ship to the east coast on 3/25.
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#116 Post by T. Melloni » March 14th, 2019, 11:39 am

Your Monte Bello Futures reservation for the 2018 vintage has been charged. Your wines will be available in the spring of 2021.
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#117 Post by Daniel Miller » March 14th, 2019, 12:50 pm

+1 to this question as well. I was considering MB futures, but I really can't fathom waiting 15+ years. Auction route does seem like the better option.
JDavisRoby wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 6:57 pm
Question about MB futures and really futures in general where the wine is not expected to be consumed for 15+ years.

Does the price savings of buying futures get eroded by the storage costs of holding a wine vs the cost of storing that wine for the duration? Based on today’s pricing it’s approx $100 to store a bottle for 20 years.

According to CellarTracker/WMJ a 1998 Ridge Monte Bello auction value is $133. Not sure what release price in 99-00 was but it had to be more than $35.

Anyone else run that math and decide futures or long term storage aren’t worth it?

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#118 Post by Mike C. » March 14th, 2019, 1:01 pm

Daniel Miller wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 12:50 pm
+1 to this question as well. I was considering MB futures, but I really can't fathom waiting 15+ years. Auction route does seem like the better option.
JDavisRoby wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 6:57 pm
Question about MB futures and really futures in general where the wine is not expected to be consumed for 15+ years.

Does the price savings of buying futures get eroded by the storage costs of holding a wine vs the cost of storing that wine for the duration? Based on today’s pricing it’s approx $100 to store a bottle for 20 years.

According to CellarTracker/WMJ a 1998 Ridge Monte Bello auction value is $133. Not sure what release price in 99-00 was but it had to be more than $35.

Anyone else run that math and decide futures or long term storage aren’t worth it?
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'98 was easily the worst vintage 1959 to current. Hollow/weak/austere for a long time. They admit they made a mistake not declassifying it. It has come around, gaining weight, filling out. Say 90 points and a "buy" at $40. The next worst vintage was '83, which they did declassify/recall. Anyway, you can't judge based on that anomaly (plus, the over-all quality vintage to vintage has improved).

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#119 Post by Wes Barton » March 14th, 2019, 3:46 pm

Mike C. wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 1:01 pm
Daniel Miller wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 12:50 pm
+1 to this question as well. I was considering MB futures, but I really can't fathom waiting 15+ years. Auction route does seem like the better option.
JDavisRoby wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 6:57 pm
Question about MB futures and really futures in general where the wine is not expected to be consumed for 15+ years.

Does the price savings of buying futures get eroded by the storage costs of holding a wine vs the cost of storing that wine for the duration? Based on today’s pricing it’s approx $100 to store a bottle for 20 years.

According to CellarTracker/WMJ a 1998 Ridge Monte Bello auction value is $133. Not sure what release price in 99-00 was but it had to be more than $35.

Anyone else run that math and decide futures or long term storage aren’t worth it?
This was answered up-thread:
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March 1st, 2019, 3:09 pm
'98 was easily the worst vintage 1959 to current. Hollow/weak/austere for a long time. They admit they made a mistake not declassifying it. It has come around, gaining weight, filling out. Say 90 points and a "buy" at $40. The next worst vintage was '83, which they did declassify/recall. Anyway, you can't judge based on that anomaly (plus, the over-all quality vintage to vintage has improved).
I wouldn't say that's an answer. Just a refutation of using the worst vintage (of 60) as a metric for valuation of these wines in the secondary market.

With MB, you have the same questions to ask yourself as with any other wine requiring extended age. Certainly you should try some mature examples of a wine before making a long-term commitment. Secondary market prices aren't predictable. Mature Ridge and other wines I'd been buying have shot up 3-4 times (sometimes more) in price over the last decade.
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