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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#101 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 8th, 2019, 8:13 am

Nick O wrote:
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Did anybody else have their allocation decreased? For the 2017 I had 8x375ml, 6x750ml, and 1x1.5l. For the 2018 vintage I was only offered 6x 750ml. Did this happen to anybody else?
What did you order of the 2017 allocation?
I took my full allocation last year. Not sure what gives. This is only the third year that I’ve purchased futures, so maybe that has something to do with it?
As with all questions Ridge-related, I suggest a phone call. You might not get the answer you want, but their customer service is top of the heap. Friendly and prompt. If there is indeed a problem they will fix it pronto
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#102 Post by JDavisRoby » March 8th, 2019, 11:47 pm

Opened a 2012 Ridge Merlot Estate tonight. Made me want to do the futures...
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#103 Post by robert creth » March 9th, 2019, 11:14 am

Just paid for the estate bottles, swapping out the Chardonnay for an extra Merlot. Will find out in May if I get some MB.

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#104 Post by Alan Rath » March 9th, 2019, 4:58 pm

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#105 Post by Al Osterheld » March 9th, 2019, 6:40 pm

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#106 Post by Larry Stein » March 9th, 2019, 6:44 pm

I pm’d him to see if the picnic table tarps were up. Our group is going tomorrow. Not supposed to get rain until 2-ish.

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#107 Post by Alan Rath » March 9th, 2019, 8:27 pm

The lower front area was being used for check in and two wine stations. Couple of the picnic tables on the next level had tarps over them. Didn’t look at the newer area above that. What I can tell you is that it was cold out there, so bundle up if you want to be outside.

Wines were great. 16 Monte Bello is terrific. 18 components and assemblage were excellent, a cooler more red fruited year across the board, with strong acidity. 16 estate cab is very tasty, high quality. 17 geyserville a very good rendition, Eric told me it was picked before the September heat spikes, which they could see coming. So nothing ripe or roasted.
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#108 Post by Craig G » March 9th, 2019, 8:58 pm

40 degrees up there today.

I agree, 16 looks excellent for Estate Cab and MB. I usually find MB a bit hard to drink young but this one was an exception.
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#109 Post by Larry Stein » March 11th, 2019, 9:25 am

Here's my take. For 2018, Cab Sauv component was simply stunning. That bodes well for the Cab used for the Estate wine. I felt Merlot was too sweet, less savory than past vintages. Also, lacked structure. I hope less is used than usual in the final blend. Petit Verdot was all structure which should help mitigate the softness in the Merlot. There was no Cab Franc component to taste. Will 18 MB just be a 3 variety blend? I should have asked. The 18 co-fermented blend (38% Merlot, 35 Cab Franc, 27 Cab Sauv) was an interesting exercise, but I didn't find it compelling. 17 Geyserville is excellent.

Agree with the above comments on 16 MB and Estate Cab.

We lucked out on the weather yesterday. It was certainly chilly, but barely got any rain.

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#110 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 11th, 2019, 9:42 am

when does the 16 MB ship, do you know?
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#111 Post by Larry Stein » March 11th, 2019, 9:43 am

No idea. I picked up my '16 MB. Call the winery.

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#112 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 11th, 2019, 9:46 am

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No idea. I picked up my '16 MB. Call the winery.
Thanks Larry. I dropped off the list but still have 16 and 17 to be delivered
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#113 Post by Wes Barton » March 11th, 2019, 10:18 am

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Here's my take. For 2018, Cab Sauv component was simply stunning. That bodes well for the Cab used for the Estate wine. I felt Merlot was too sweet, less savory than past vintages. Also, lacked structure. I hope less is used than usual in the final blend. Petit Verdot was all structure which should help mitigate the softness in the Merlot. There was no Cab Franc component to taste. Will 18 MB just be a 3 variety blend? I should have asked. The 18 co-fermented blend (38% Merlot, 35 Cab Franc, 27 Cab Sauv) was an interesting exercise, but I didn't find it compelling. 17 Geyserville is excellent.

Agree with the above comments on 16 MB and Estate Cab.

We lucked out on the weather yesterday. It was certainly chilly, but barely got any rain.
Remember/note the components were are sampled are from single barrels from single blocks. This particular time I was told there was great variation in the Merlot bottles, since they were from different barrels. I think the sweetness in the sample several of us got was from new oak. It didn't phase me in the least, but I'm accustomed to tasting uncurated barrel samples. A couple people asked my opinion when we were tasting.

This was Merlot from above the tasting room. I got some elegance and enough good stuff that I'd think it would be worth bench testing in the blend, and would agree it probably contribute, at best, as a low part of the blend. It showed typical of what I noted above about the Estate Merlot (which has it's fans). The Merlot that's a mile up the road, above the winery itself is an entirely different animal. That stuff kicks ass and nearly always makes the cut.

Loved the PV and CS components, as well as the early assemblage.

And yes, the '16 MB is top notch, and the '16 Estate Cab is back up the truck good.
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#114 Post by Alan Rath » March 11th, 2019, 10:20 am

Larry Stein wrote:
March 11th, 2019, 9:25 am
Here's my take. For 2018, Cab Sauv component was simply stunning. That bodes well for the Cab used for the Estate wine. I felt Merlot was too sweet, less savory than past vintages. Also, lacked structure. I hope less is used than usual in the final blend. Petit Verdot was all structure which should help mitigate the softness in the Merlot. There was no Cab Franc component to taste. Will 18 MB just be a 3 variety blend? I should have asked. The 18 co-fermented blend (38% Merlot, 35 Cab Franc, 27 Cab Sauv) was an interesting exercise, but I didn't find it compelling. 17 Geyserville is excellent.
Keep in mind (I believe) that the components you taste by definition aren't in the blend, so they may not be quite at the level of those that have already made the assemblage. Eric talked about the cofermented lot, describing it as one section of some of the oldest vines that all ripen around the same time, and that he did this to increase the fermentation mass so there wouldn't be just small bins of each. I forgot to ask if that lot is likely to make the final assemblage. Interesting comment on the Merlot, I found it more restrained and red-fruited than in past years (particularly the 17 samples last year, which was warmer). My shorthand notes on the components:

Cofermented blend - franc/merlot/cab quite nice darker fruit tasty gd balance
Merlot - restrained more red fruit
Petite Verdot - dark color, unusually bright and fresh dark red fruit, ex acidity and fine struct
Cab - med rich deep dark red fruit beautiful balance tasty
18 Assemblage - dark red color, beautiful deep red fruit ex acidity med fine tannins, not a huge wine but beautiful flavor and balance, more red fruited this year
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#115 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 12th, 2019, 11:27 am

BTW, I was told today that my 2016 MBs will ship to the east coast on 3/25.
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#116 Post by T. Melloni » March 14th, 2019, 11:39 am

Your Monte Bello Futures reservation for the 2018 vintage has been charged. Your wines will be available in the spring of 2021.
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#117 Post by Daniel Miller » March 14th, 2019, 12:50 pm

+1 to this question as well. I was considering MB futures, but I really can't fathom waiting 15+ years. Auction route does seem like the better option.
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Question about MB futures and really futures in general where the wine is not expected to be consumed for 15+ years.

Does the price savings of buying futures get eroded by the storage costs of holding a wine vs the cost of storing that wine for the duration? Based on today’s pricing it’s approx $100 to store a bottle for 20 years.

According to CellarTracker/WMJ a 1998 Ridge Monte Bello auction value is $133. Not sure what release price in 99-00 was but it had to be more than $35.

Anyone else run that math and decide futures or long term storage aren’t worth it?

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#118 Post by Mike C. » March 14th, 2019, 1:01 pm

Daniel Miller wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 12:50 pm
+1 to this question as well. I was considering MB futures, but I really can't fathom waiting 15+ years. Auction route does seem like the better option.
JDavisRoby wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 6:57 pm
Question about MB futures and really futures in general where the wine is not expected to be consumed for 15+ years.

Does the price savings of buying futures get eroded by the storage costs of holding a wine vs the cost of storing that wine for the duration? Based on today’s pricing it’s approx $100 to store a bottle for 20 years.

According to CellarTracker/WMJ a 1998 Ridge Monte Bello auction value is $133. Not sure what release price in 99-00 was but it had to be more than $35.

Anyone else run that math and decide futures or long term storage aren’t worth it?
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'98 was easily the worst vintage 1959 to current. Hollow/weak/austere for a long time. They admit they made a mistake not declassifying it. It has come around, gaining weight, filling out. Say 90 points and a "buy" at $40. The next worst vintage was '83, which they did declassify/recall. Anyway, you can't judge based on that anomaly (plus, the over-all quality vintage to vintage has improved).

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#119 Post by Wes Barton » March 14th, 2019, 3:46 pm

Mike C. wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 1:01 pm
Daniel Miller wrote:
March 14th, 2019, 12:50 pm
+1 to this question as well. I was considering MB futures, but I really can't fathom waiting 15+ years. Auction route does seem like the better option.
JDavisRoby wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 6:57 pm
Question about MB futures and really futures in general where the wine is not expected to be consumed for 15+ years.

Does the price savings of buying futures get eroded by the storage costs of holding a wine vs the cost of storing that wine for the duration? Based on today’s pricing it’s approx $100 to store a bottle for 20 years.

According to CellarTracker/WMJ a 1998 Ridge Monte Bello auction value is $133. Not sure what release price in 99-00 was but it had to be more than $35.

Anyone else run that math and decide futures or long term storage aren’t worth it?
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'98 was easily the worst vintage 1959 to current. Hollow/weak/austere for a long time. They admit they made a mistake not declassifying it. It has come around, gaining weight, filling out. Say 90 points and a "buy" at $40. The next worst vintage was '83, which they did declassify/recall. Anyway, you can't judge based on that anomaly (plus, the over-all quality vintage to vintage has improved).
I wouldn't say that's an answer. Just a refutation of using the worst vintage (of 60) as a metric for valuation of these wines in the secondary market.

With MB, you have the same questions to ask yourself as with any other wine requiring extended age. Certainly you should try some mature examples of a wine before making a long-term commitment. Secondary market prices aren't predictable. Mature Ridge and other wines I'd been buying have shot up 3-4 times (sometimes more) in price over the last decade.
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#120 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » March 27th, 2019, 12:50 pm

Estate wines arrived today by FedEx:

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2016 Ridge Merlot Estate
2016 Ridge Cabernet Sauvignon Estate
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#121 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 27th, 2019, 1:31 pm

K_F_o_l_e_y wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 12:50 pm
Estate wines arrived today by FedEx:

2017 Ridge Chardonnay Estate
2016 Ridge Merlot Estate
2016 Ridge Cabernet Sauvignon Estate
what are they getting for the cab estate?

My 2016 Monte Bello arrived today, for those wondering when the east coast shipping would commence
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#122 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » March 27th, 2019, 1:42 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 1:31 pm
K_F_o_l_e_y wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 12:50 pm
Estate wines arrived today by FedEx:

2017 Ridge Chardonnay Estate
2016 Ridge Merlot Estate
2016 Ridge Cabernet Sauvignon Estate
what are they getting for the cab estate?

My 2016 Monte Bello arrived today, for those wondering when the east coast shipping would commence
$58.50 Monte Bello Collector price (or $55.25/case) + $33/3 bottles shipping = $69.50. According to the accompanying brochure, the regular price is $65.00.

Next time, I'll call and see if I can get my old 6 bottle Monte Bello allocation back, which would make it more worthwhile.
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#123 Post by Eric S n y d e r » March 27th, 2019, 1:54 pm

K_F_o_l_e_y wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 1:42 pm
Neal.Mollen wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 1:31 pm
K_F_o_l_e_y wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 12:50 pm
Estate wines arrived today by FedEx:

2017 Ridge Chardonnay Estate
2016 Ridge Merlot Estate
2016 Ridge Cabernet Sauvignon Estate
what are they getting for the cab estate?

My 2016 Monte Bello arrived today, for those wondering when the east coast shipping would commence
$58.50 Monte Bello Collector price (or $55.25/case) + $33/3 bottles shipping = $69.50. According to the accompanying brochure, the regular price is $65.00.

Next time, I'll call and see if I can get my old 6 bottle Monte Bello allocation back, which would make it more worthwhile.
Just wish they would ship the estate wines with the MB... [swearing.gif]

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#124 Post by Neal.Mollen » March 27th, 2019, 1:56 pm

Thx Kevin
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#125 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » March 27th, 2019, 1:58 pm

Eric S n y d e r wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 1:54 pm
Just wish they would ship the estate wines with the MB... [swearing.gif]
Yes indeed. The 3 Estate wines came in a 6 bottle shipper, so plenty of room for my 2 measly MB bottles.
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#126 Post by Stephen Chen » May 11th, 2019, 8:07 am

Anyone going to the assemblage tastings this weekend? Going on Sunday for the first time.

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#127 Post by scott davis » May 16th, 2019, 10:26 am

bryan c wrote:
February 26th, 2019, 11:19 pm
Justin S wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 4:18 pm
I just joined this year and haven't been offered the Monte Bello yet. Perhaps because I'm brand new and yields appear to be down in 2018, they will wait until May to let me know. Any risk of not getting an allocation at all?
I joined Jan 2017 and I'm in the camp that needs to wait til May to hear. I found out that they did the cutoff at Dec 2016 for this go around (definitely yield related). If you signed up after that, you're in the 'wait til May' batch. I did get allocation (Feb/March) in 2017 and 2018 for '16/'17 vintages respectively. We'll have to see how they divvy up the remainder come May.
Just got the e-mail....no 2018 MB futures offer for me. Although, I’m welcome to buy some during the member-exclusive pre-release period in August of 2021, oddly.
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#128 Post by Benny P » May 16th, 2019, 10:31 am

I also got the e-mail this morning and looks like I missed the cut-off as well. I signed up sometime early 2017, so no 2018 for me.
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#129 Post by ykwon » May 16th, 2019, 10:32 am

scott davis wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:26 am
bryan c wrote:
February 26th, 2019, 11:19 pm
Justin S wrote:
February 25th, 2019, 4:18 pm
I just joined this year and haven't been offered the Monte Bello yet. Perhaps because I'm brand new and yields appear to be down in 2018, they will wait until May to let me know. Any risk of not getting an allocation at all?
I joined Jan 2017 and I'm in the camp that needs to wait til May to hear. I found out that they did the cutoff at Dec 2016 for this go around (definitely yield related). If you signed up after that, you're in the 'wait til May' batch. I did get allocation (Feb/March) in 2017 and 2018 for '16/'17 vintages respectively. We'll have to see how they divvy up the remainder come May.
Just got the e-mail....no 2018 MB futures offer for me. Although, I’m welcome to buy some during the member-exclusive pre-release period in August of 2021, oddly.
Got the same email. So they don’t have enough to sell as futures but they have enough to sell at full retail pop minus 20%?

Makes no sense. I like ridge but might have to consider dropping them.
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#130 Post by T. Williams » May 16th, 2019, 10:52 am

I received the same email today, missed the cut. I have been a futures member for 3 years.

What's most annoying to me is that I am stuck with getting 3 bottles of their cab, merlot, and chard which shipped before they said I wouldn't get any allocation. I mean, come on. You force me to buy 3 bottles of, albeit good wines, in order for me to get the futures offer and then stiff me on the futures offer. I'd be okay with this if all the wine was being allocated to long(er than me) term members, but the fact that you blatantly say, we are holding a bunch back for retail which we will offer you at a higher cost is just insult to injury.

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#131 Post by robert creth » May 16th, 2019, 11:21 am

Yeah, I got the “No soup for you” message today also. Am on the hook for 3 bottles and once they show, I will bounce myself off the list. Too much great wine available to wait in a queue.

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#132 Post by Bdklein » May 16th, 2019, 11:42 am

The “ buy this but don’t get that” seems a bit shitty .
But all part of the mailing list game many of us play to move up the list .

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#133 Post by Wes Barton » May 16th, 2019, 12:42 pm

It makes perfect sense that they allocate the wine to various accounts (retail, restaurant, existing members, library, tasting rooms sales, etc.) ahead of a waiting list of new futures customers. It would make sense if they welcomed you as members with member benefits early, if you buy the estate wines. It doesn't make sense that they have you buy the estate wines before you know if you'll get an allocation. How this was done is not a good business practice, as evidenced by the sentiments above. I suggest you all write and complain. They don't have nefarious intent, but they need to fix and improve the process.
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#134 Post by C Chen » May 16th, 2019, 12:45 pm

A while ago, I returned the bottles I received (Cab/Chardonnay) for a full refund because I didn't care for them and just wanted MB. Ended up canceling my membership shortly after.
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#135 Post by William Kelley » May 16th, 2019, 1:11 pm

Tariq K wrote:
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How do you guys think about the value of Ridge MB vs Montelena Estate? Montelena is a little less expensive on futures. In full disclosure, I'm subscribed to both.
Speaking personally, I wouldn't hesitate to take the Ridge.
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#136 Post by Wes Barton » May 16th, 2019, 4:33 pm

William Kelley wrote:
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February 25th, 2019, 4:59 pm
How do you guys think about the value of Ridge MB vs Montelena Estate? Montelena is a little less expensive on futures. In full disclosure, I'm subscribed to both.
Speaking personally, I wouldn't hesitate to take the Ridge.
I'd only had a bottle of Montelena here and there over the years. Never impressed, so didn't pursue them. Our tasting group did a vertical of mature bottles recently. In the words of the big time wine collector who was being treated with this tasting: "Man, I'm glad I never collected these."
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#137 Post by T. Williams » May 16th, 2019, 4:48 pm

Wes Barton wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 12:42 pm
It makes perfect sense that they allocate the wine to various accounts (retail, restaurant, existing members, library, tasting rooms sales, etc.) ahead of a waiting list of new futures customers. It would make sense if they welcomed you as members with member benefits early, if you buy the estate wines. It doesn't make sense that they have you buy the estate wines before you know if you'll get an allocation. How this was done is not a good business practice, as evidenced by the sentiments above. I suggest you all write and complain. They don't have nefarious intent, but they need to fix and improve the process.

The difference here is that they stiffed people who already had allocations, in my case for three years.

The secondary problem - the amount reduction in retail they offer means I am pissy but won’t drop them. So maybe this is actually good business practice since they are banking on people like me to be mad but not dropping them.

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#138 Post by KyleC » May 16th, 2019, 4:53 pm

T. Williams wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:52 am
I received the same email today, missed the cut. I have been a futures member for 3 years.

What's most annoying to me is that I am stuck with getting 3 bottles of their cab, merlot, and chard which shipped before they said I wouldn't get any allocation. I mean, come on. You force me to buy 3 bottles of, albeit good wines, in order for me to get the futures offer and then stiff me on the futures offer. I'd be okay with this if all the wine was being allocated to long(er than me) term members, but the fact that you blatantly say, we are holding a bunch back for retail which we will offer you at a higher cost is just insult to injury.

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+100 to this. This is my first year as a futures member and this is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#139 Post by robert creth » May 16th, 2019, 5:25 pm

I sent an email and canceled my membership. They were kind enough to reimburse the estate bottles price since they had not been picked up. Decided that I am not a futures kind of wine buyer.

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#140 Post by NoahR » May 16th, 2019, 5:28 pm

Sorry to anyone who did not get a 2018 futures offer. I signed up with the 2013 vintage for futures and feel lucky to still be on the list. Still, IMHO, this remains the best deal in California, period.
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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#141 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d » May 17th, 2019, 3:53 am

I also signed up at the end of 2013 and received my first futures offer a few months later (the 2013 vintage).

My allocation has always been the same: 4 x 750ml of the Monte Bello. No other sizes of the MB, and never any need to buy their other wines.

When did they start asking new members to purchase the other wines in order to get the MB?

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#142 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » May 17th, 2019, 4:44 am

William Kelley wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 1:11 pm
Tariq K wrote:
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How do you guys think about the value of Ridge MB vs Montelena Estate? Montelena is a little less expensive on futures. In full disclosure, I'm subscribed to both.
Speaking personally, I wouldn't hesitate to take the Ridge.
Same here. I don't see them as interchangeable. Granted I really like Montelena, but MB is in another league, and its own unique style.
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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#143 Post by NoahR » May 17th, 2019, 5:02 am

Yep to Monte Bello over Montelena. In another league. The American Oak in MB is distinctive and not for everyone though, but it’s part of the charm. I don’t touch MB for 15 years with few exceptions l. 98 and 00 were drinkable a bit early but I wouldn’t open anything from the 2000’s for a while
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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#144 Post by Demian Saenz » May 17th, 2019, 5:44 am

Is anyone going to use the 20% off for the 2015 or 2010 MB they currently offer?

20% off the 2015 is slightly less than current market price, Belmont has it for $185 before shipping costs.

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#145 Post by Jayson Cohen » May 17th, 2019, 5:58 am

NoahR wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 5:02 am
Yep to Monte Bello over Montelena. In another league. The American Oak in MB is distinctive and not for everyone though, but it’s part of the charm. I don’t touch MB for 15 years with few exceptions l. 98 and 00 were drinkable a bit early but I wouldn’t open anything from the 2000’s for a while
1998 and 2000 are good examples of early drinking MBs, but FWIW, I thought a perfectly-conditioned bottle of 1996 that a friend brought to a dinner last year wasn’t even close to ready. Vintages vary, but I hope those buying young MB now are either patient or can handle a hit of unintegrated American oak.

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#146 Post by Greg Harter » May 17th, 2019, 6:40 am

T. Williams wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:52 am
I received the same email today, missed the cut. I have been a futures member for 3 years.

What's most annoying to me is that I am stuck with getting 3 bottles of their cab, merlot, and chard which shipped before they said I wouldn't get any allocation. I mean, come on. You force me to buy 3 bottles of, albeit good wines, in order for me to get the futures offer and then stiff me on the futures offer. I'd be okay with this if all the wine was being allocated to long(er than me) term members, but the fact that you blatantly say, we are holding a bunch back for retail which we will offer you at a higher cost is just insult to injury.

TW
Completely agree. I signed up at about the same time and have received an offer the last few years. I understand low yields and you can’t do anything about that. However, at the time they sent out the 3 bottles (minimum of hostage wine that you must purchase now to stay on the list) they had to know about where they were putting the line. Had they sent out an email that said, we don’t think we will be able to offer you a future allotment this year, do you still wish to purchase the other wines, I would have been fine with that.
Ridge has usually done a good job with their lists. Was on ATP for years. I am surprised they dropped the ball on this one.

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#147 Post by Sean_S » May 17th, 2019, 7:30 am

T. Williams wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 4:48 pm
Wes Barton wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 12:42 pm
It makes perfect sense that they allocate the wine to various accounts (retail, restaurant, existing members, library, tasting rooms sales, etc.) ahead of a waiting list of new futures customers. It would make sense if they welcomed you as members with member benefits early, if you buy the estate wines. It doesn't make sense that they have you buy the estate wines before you know if you'll get an allocation. How this was done is not a good business practice, as evidenced by the sentiments above. I suggest you all write and complain. They don't have nefarious intent, but they need to fix and improve the process.

The difference here is that they stiffed people who already had allocations, in my case for three years.

The secondary problem - the amount reduction in retail they offer means I am pissy but won’t drop them. So maybe this is actually good business practice since they are banking on people like me to be mad but not dropping them.

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That Sucks, I would not be happy. I've only been on for 4 years and I did my allocation several months ago and was even able to switch to 375's from 750's.

It's not like 2018 was a bad year like 2015 where yields were way down. The fruit was plentiful last year...

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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#148 Post by Philip G » May 17th, 2019, 7:53 am

Same boat. Disappointed as well but there’s only so many bottles to go around and I’m sure they’ve got distributors they’re trying to keep happy too.

Can usually get decent prices in the aftermarket unless it winds up being a WA100 vintage.

These futures will probably be drunk by my kids in 30 years anyway so their loss ;-)
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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#149 Post by J e s s e C » May 17th, 2019, 10:52 am

I too am disappointed not to have received the allocations that I received in the past, but moreso that I was not informed until months after being billed to for the estate wines. While those wines are fine, I would not be purchasing them were it not for the Monte Bello allocation. They are only values when taking into account the discounted Monte Bello.

Upon voicing my disappointment, I was directed to this language on their website: "Between nature’s offering and our selection, the number of Monte Bello cases varies each year. We always hope to fulfill the requests of our current members, but it is possible that in a given year, because of weather or the rigor of our standards, we will fall short." The problem here is that this statement does not clearly explain the situation here, which is not that there are not enough "Monte Bello cases" to fulfill the request, just that I have to purchase it at non-futures pricing later on. Moreover, the website says you get "Priority reservation for Monte Bello futures each year." This does not seem like priority at all. It also says that 2018 futures will be "Determined February, 2019," "Futures offered in March each year for the prior year’s vintage," "You are charged in March each year and will receive the wines in March two years later." March is the same time as the estate shipment, so clearly they should be informing us in time to make a decision about estate wines. Nothing in those statements contemplates billing everyone for the estate wines in March and not informing them until mid-May that they will not receive the Monte Bello.

Putting aside the ambiguity in the website, the practical effect and understanding of consumers is that the estate wines are tied to Monte Bello futures access. They have charged people for the lesser, tied, product and not provided the product everyone signed up for. This is, in principle (not suggesting legally), an unfair practice in my mind and the source of my frustration. At the very least, we should have been given the option in March to opt out of the estate wines this year.

At the end of the day, its just wine (my frustration is more with the principle of it), and I want to support an iconic winery in our back yard. I will take a wait-and-see approach to see if there is movement on the list, as I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being. If not, I can reconsider in February (before the next estate shipment) whether to drop or continue.
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Re: 2018 Ridge Monte Bello futures offer

#150 Post by DanielP » May 17th, 2019, 10:58 am

There's no wine that I would continue to buy after getting completely f*ck over like that. The current futures pricing isn't THAT good.
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