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#1 Post by crickey » February 12th, 2019, 8:36 am

Offer accepted; order in. That was quick and easy...and expensive.
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#2 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » February 12th, 2019, 8:39 am

Glad allocations are held for a few weeks. Lets me get to the next credit card cycle!

Probably going to focus on the Chards.
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#3 Post by crickey » February 12th, 2019, 8:45 am

I maxed out on the chards (only offered four total, so not much to max out on). I left behind some of the pinot, as I want to allocate some of my pinot dollars to Oregon and Burgundy. It might mean I miss out on the Hillside offering later this year, but the budget isn't unlimited.
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#4 Post by Robert M yers » February 12th, 2019, 8:56 am

Added this cycle but prices are now beyond my comfort zone. I understand the premium for diehard fans, but there is a lot of great wine out there for me to go down this path at this point in my journey.

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#5 Post by KenL. » February 12th, 2019, 8:59 am

Thinking of getting a few of the Alpine PN. As i’m typing this just got the emails for Rivers-Marie and Quivet. Too much to contemplate at once.
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#6 Post by robert creth » February 12th, 2019, 9:10 am

Have to cut this one loose. As much as I love the wine, the tariff is way past my comfort zone. Will enjoy the stash I’ve stored and move on. More for others.

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#7 Post by M. Dildine » February 12th, 2019, 9:14 am

I had a chance to taste many of these wines about six months back. I thought the '16 Pinots (Alpine, Horseshoe and Swan) were really exceptional. The Chards were also outstanding. Good offering!
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#8 Post by Anton D » February 12th, 2019, 9:14 am

Robert M yers wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 8:56 am
Added this cycle but prices are now beyond my comfort zone. I understand the premium for diehard fans, but there is a lot of great wine out there for me to go down this path at this point in my journey.
I am in the same boat as both Roberts.
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#9 Post by T. Altmayer » February 12th, 2019, 10:03 am

Anton D wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 9:14 am
Robert M yers wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 8:56 am
Added this cycle but prices are now beyond my comfort zone. I understand the premium for diehard fans, but there is a lot of great wine out there for me to go down this path at this point in my journey.
I am in the same boat as both Roberts.
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#10 Post by Siun o'Connell » February 12th, 2019, 10:23 am

My first offer from them ... what one or two bottles would be a good introduction? Are any relatively young drinking options?

(I'm sitting here with Desire and Cruce as well so just dabbling.)

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#11 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » February 12th, 2019, 10:26 am

I would try both Alpine wines - Pinot and Chard. They are the prototypical Rhys wines.
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#12 Post by Siun o'Connell » February 12th, 2019, 10:27 am

Thanks David.

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#13 Post by Dennis Atick » February 12th, 2019, 10:28 am

Prices? Just out of curiosity. No dog in the fight. I like the wines, esp. the Chards.
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#14 Post by Markus S » February 12th, 2019, 10:29 am

Anton D wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 9:14 am
Robert M yers wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 8:56 am
Added this cycle but prices are now beyond my comfort zone. I understand the premium for diehard fans, but there is a lot of great wine out there for me to go down this path at this point in my journey.
I am in the same boat as both Roberts.
Another voice in the wilderness! Add me in as well. Good wines, but becoming beyond pricey.
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#15 Post by Jay Miller » February 12th, 2019, 10:34 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 10:26 am
I would try both Alpine wines - Pinot and Chard. They are the prototypical Rhys wines.
This is very palate dependent. While I dropped off the list years ago (due to trying to reduce my wine buying) the Alpine Pinot was consistently my least favorite. Always loved the Horseshoe. Though reading the description it sounds like the Alpine flavor profile may have changed?
"The transition in the character of Alpine Pinot from its bold, dark-fruited youth to the sleek and weightless red-fruited wines of the last five vintages is dramatically apparent in the 2016. "


But I think both the horseshoe and Alpine chardonnays are world class and some of the best expressions of the grape made in CA.
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#16 Post by Siun o'Connell » February 12th, 2019, 10:39 am

Nodding ... I normally stick at lower prices and am really happy with my less expensive options. Will have to think about this one.

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#17 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » February 12th, 2019, 10:47 am

Jay Miller wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 10:34 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 10:26 am
I would try both Alpine wines - Pinot and Chard. They are the prototypical Rhys wines.
This is very palate dependent. While I dropped off the list years ago (due to trying to reduce my wine buying) the Alpine Pinot was consistently my least favorite. Always loved the Horseshoe. Though reading the description it sounds like the Alpine flavor profile may have changed?
"The transition in the character of Alpine Pinot from its bold, dark-fruited youth to the sleek and weightless red-fruited wines of the last five vintages is dramatically apparent in the 2016. "


But I think both the horseshoe and Alpine chardonnays are world class and some of the best expressions of the grape made in CA.
Yeah, we have different takes on the Pinots. I'm not much of a fan of Bearwallow, Family Farm or Swan Terrace, but love Alpine and Horseshoe (and Skyline).
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#18 Post by Diane Kessler » February 12th, 2019, 10:57 am

Alpine and Horseshoe are my favorites - both Pinots and Chardonnays. I've had Bearwallow show well on occasion, but that and Family Farm have disappointed me too many times. I'll stick to my favorites, and as prices creep up, I order less.

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#19 Post by Merrill Lindquist » February 12th, 2019, 12:39 pm

crickey wrote:
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Offer accepted; order in. That was quick and easy...and expensive.
Since I recently had to explain to Victor what "expensive" means, could you tell me how much these wines are?
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#20 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » February 12th, 2019, 12:44 pm

Anywhere from $59 (Family Farm Pinot) to $109 (Swan Terrace Pinot). There are also wines for $79 and $89 in the offering.
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#21 Post by Frank Murray III » February 12th, 2019, 1:00 pm

For me, these are great wines and worth the tariff. Ordering.
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#22 Post by maureen nelson » February 12th, 2019, 4:53 pm

The chardonnays are both $79. This price includes shipping.

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#23 Post by Joe Raymond » February 12th, 2019, 5:20 pm

I enjoy their wines but I just have too much wine and had to pass. Very good wines, having to order a minimum made it tough too. Sometimes I don’t have enough money to go around and need to just order one bottle but understand the economics behind it :)
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#24 Post by Sebastian C. » February 12th, 2019, 5:26 pm

Bought a little of everything except Swan Terrace. I do not know if on the margin this bottling price is justified given the increasing quality of the Alpine PN. Perhaps makes sense to skip it and jump to the hillsides. Price wise, everything is relative. There are at least 5 threads of 200+ cabs releases.
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#25 Post by Merrill Lindquist » February 12th, 2019, 5:36 pm

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 12:44 pm
Anywhere from $59 (Family Farm Pinot) to $109 (Swan Terrace Pinot). There are also wines for $79 and $89 in the offering.
Sounds reasonable to me if you love the wine.
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#26 Post by jgreco » February 12th, 2019, 5:54 pm

I'm in. The Rhys chardonnays are still cheaper than the best Sonoma chards (PM, Aubert, Kistler) that are all $100 on release. They also quite a bit different from those offerings. And, the pinots are the best California has to offer (imo) and their non-hillside releases are even slightly cheaper than the best Oregon pinots. Great thing about Rhys is they have a lot of different price points and everything is very high quality.
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#27 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » February 12th, 2019, 6:16 pm

I don’t find the Rhys Chardonnays to be overpriced, but they are a touch more (about $15) than Ramey (my favorite).
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#28 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » February 12th, 2019, 6:19 pm

oy ... took a first stab at a conservative order and it ended-up being 13 bottles and more money than I want to spend; will have to find a way to cull a bit.

Rhys is becoming a difficult thing for me to figure out:
On one hand, prices continue to increase; but they *are* fairly-priced. They are now priced in-line with some darn-good Burgs.
I'm going to have upwards of 20 cases of these wines by the time ANY of them *might* be entering their Prime Drink Window; not so sure how wise that is.
I think the wines are excellent, so I want to keep buying. At some point, I may cut the cord (and will probably feel great when I do), but I really want to see what these turn into when mature --- if they end-up as good as I believe they will, then I *won't* want to jump ship.

Maybe I'll start going every-other-vintage with some of these bottlings.
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#29 Post by Mark Maddox » February 12th, 2019, 6:43 pm

How long should these lay down before they hit their window? My first offer so I can get the Alpine PN, both Horseshoes and the Family Farm PN.

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#30 Post by Alan Rath » February 12th, 2019, 6:57 pm

Mark Maddox wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 6:43 pm
How long should these lay down before they hit their window? My first offer so I can get the Alpine PN, both Horseshoes and the Family Farm PN.
That's a question Kevin or Jeff will be able to answer much better than I, but having tasted all of the wines last year I will be putting mine away for a minimum of 6-8 years.

FWIW, this offer is the heart of the Rhys wines for me. I've passed on almost every offer so far this year, but will be grimacing and pulling the trigger on this one.
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#31 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » February 12th, 2019, 6:58 pm

Mark Maddox wrote:
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How long should these lay down before they hit their window? My first offer so I can get the Alpine PN, both Horseshoes and the Family Farm PN.
No one knows for sure, but someone can give you an idea. Mr. Murray?

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#32 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » February 12th, 2019, 7:02 pm

At this point, all I can say with certainty is, More than 10 years. And that's fine--- in fact, for me, it's preferred. Thing is, my current guess is they'll need 20+. Hell , I'll probably have 40+ cases by then ... need to start drinking these on the "too young" side ... but that seems stupid ... argh!!
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#33 Post by R. Frankel » February 12th, 2019, 9:12 pm

Alpine and Horsehoe PN for me. I love these wines. For a while I tried to buy some of every Cru but clearly not sustainable. How long to age? Depends on vintage and vineyard, but most are pretty attractive after 6-8 years. Swan, Skyline, Hillsides ... time will tell.
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#34 Post by Russ Williams » February 13th, 2019, 5:35 am

2 each of the Alpine and Horseshoe offerings.
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#35 Post by Markus S » February 13th, 2019, 6:29 am

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...There are at least 5 threads of 200+ cabs releases.
And I don't/won't buy those either. strawman
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#36 Post by Jeff Brinkman » February 13th, 2019, 12:40 pm

Mark Maddox wrote:
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How long should these lay down before they hit their window? My first offer so I can get the Alpine PN, both Horseshoes and the Family Farm PN.
Hi Mark,
That's always a tough question to answer because everyone's palate is different and we all react to tannin and structure differently. Having said that, I think that people are going to find the 2016s to be very elegant and aromatic wines with a more middleweight structure. They don't have the massive concentration of the 15s or the structure of the 14s. They remind me a bit of the 2013s but with better acidity and maybe slightly more structure. Honestly you could drink Alpine or Horseshoe today but if pressed I'd say the conservative window is 6-10 years. I usually recommend if people are buying multiple bottles to open one and calibrate your palate.

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#37 Post by Frank Murray III » February 13th, 2019, 1:59 pm

Fwiw, my perspective on these from tasting the last year.
  • 2016 Rhys Chardonnay Alpine Vineyard - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains (7/25/2018)
    July 2018 Rhys Visit--Taste The 2016s (Rhys Estate (At The Winery)): Lightly smoky, flint and a distinct jasmine flower (I drink a fair amount of jasmine green tea and I found this sweet, floral aspect). Also here was what I thought was a little bit of an oily note in the texture with an intense yellow/green apple, light pineapple and a spicy long finish of green apple skin. My last 2 words in my notes say "seductive" and "gorgeous". Beautiful stuff and Alpine reigns king again for me.
  • 2016 Rhys Chardonnay Horseshoe Vineyard - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains (7/25/2018)
    July 2018 Rhys Visit--Taste The 2016s (Rhys Estate (At The Winery)): Spicy green apple which my notes say is 'prominent', as one would find in cutting one fresh and tasting the crisp flesh. Lime, a flinty core and lots of cut with bright acid and orange oil. For what it's worth, I thought this bottle started off shut down and kind of flat when we first had it in the glass but with air, it was allowed to unfold.
  • 2016 Rhys Pinot Noir Alpine Vineyard - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains (7/25/2018)
    July 2018 Rhys Visit--Taste The 2016s (Rhys Estate (At The Winery)): Initially, seemed a little reduced to me in the glass but it blew off with air. The bouquet is fragrant (30% whole cluster) and the core of the wine has an intense, concentrated pomegranate that is rich, along with red cherry. The richness here is a pure red-fruited flavor that is sexy yet not cloying. Delicious.
  • 2016 Rhys Pinot Noir Family Farm Vineyard - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, San Mateo County (7/25/2018)
    July 2018 Rhys Visit--Taste The 2016s (Rhys Estate (At The Winery)): Plush and round, and I found this to be open-knitted and easy to enjoy. Juicy red fruit with a plum flesh, a little bit of cedar and then a plum skin note in the finish. Delicious.
  • 2016 Rhys Pinot Noir Horseshoe Vineyard - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains (7/25/2018)
    July 2018 Rhys Visit--Taste The 2016s (Rhys Estate (At The Winery)): Gamey, smokey aromatic with some pepper but let's get it out of the way that this is totally destemmed. I don't want anyone running off into the ether and thinking it's stem, stem. Dark red fruit that shows a depth, supporting acidity, kiwi and reminds me of the fruit character of the 2016 Bearwallow. Not sure I have found red apple in 'Shoe before but it was in this bottle plus strawberry and finishing spice. Fantastic wine, and also has my big star in my notes, of my top 3 wines of the whole day, along with the 2016 Skyline and 2016 Alesia AV PN.
  • 2016 Rhys Pinot Noir Swan Terrace - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains (7/25/2018)
    July 2018 Rhys Visit--Taste The 2016s (Rhys Estate (At The Winery)): This was poured next to the 2016 Alpine so we could do a side-by-side. The color on the Swan is darker. 100% whole cluster and it emits a bit of that quality in prickly, stem note in the aromatic. Pomegranate, cherry, lots of primary fruit, reminding of a wine that is more like a barrel sample, full of fruit, power and youthfulness. I noted too that the Swan does have similar expression of the Alpine, yet seems to be evolving more slowly.
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#38 Post by John Preston » February 13th, 2019, 2:11 pm

Order in! Went with Pinots only this time...trying to stay "within budget." Ya, right. I do like these wines though; they give me joy and pleasure : )

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#39 Post by Mark Maddox » February 13th, 2019, 7:18 pm

Jeff Brinkman wrote:
February 13th, 2019, 12:40 pm
Mark Maddox wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 6:43 pm
How long should these lay down before they hit their window? My first offer so I can get the Alpine PN, both Horseshoes and the Family Farm PN.
Hi Mark,
That's always a tough question to answer because everyone's palate is different and we all react to tannin and structure differently. Having said that, I think that people are going to find the 2016s to be very elegant and aromatic wines with a more middleweight structure. They don't have the massive concentration of the 15s or the structure of the 14s. They remind me a bit of the 2013s but with better acidity and maybe slightly more structure. Honestly you could drink Alpine or Horseshoe today but if pressed I'd say the conservative window is 6-10 years. I usually recommend if people are buying multiple bottles to open one and calibrate your palate.

Jeff,
Thank you! Buy multiple bottles I shall...looking forward to them.

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#40 Post by T. Altmayer » February 13th, 2019, 8:39 pm

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#42 Post by Robert Grenley » February 14th, 2019, 12:21 am

I don’t think the wines are expensive for what they are and what goes into making them, and not more so than others like William-Selyem or Rochioli. Nor compared to the expensive upper end of Oregon Pinots, nor anywhere close to what people are asking for CA cab, which I fortunately do not drink. It is just that we have ridden the price increases more recently with Rhys than we have with some of the others over years past. Nevertheless, I have had to cut down things a bit, as I have many cases of Rhys Pinot in the cellar, so I will try to be a little more conservative in numbers of bottles I order. But order I shall.
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#43 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » February 14th, 2019, 7:54 am

Just ordered some chards. Some of the best whites out there for my taste.

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#44 Post by MBerto » February 14th, 2019, 10:49 am

In for mixed 6 pack focused on whites. Tariff seems a bit steep but if you take out 10-15% for free shipping it's right in line or better than comparable producers.
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#45 Post by Gary Zimberg » February 14th, 2019, 3:13 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 6:19 pm
oy ... took a first stab at a conservative order and it ended-up being 13 bottles and more money than I want to spend; will have to find a way to cull a bit.

Rhys is becoming a difficult thing for me to figure out:
On one hand, prices continue to increase; but they *are* fairly-priced. They are now priced in-line with some darn-good Burgs.
I'm going to have upwards of 20 cases of these wines by the time ANY of them *might* be entering their Prime Drink Window; not so sure how wise that is.
I think the wines are excellent, so I want to keep buying. At some point, I may cut the cord (and will probably feel great when I do), but I really want to see what these turn into when mature --- if they end-up as good as I believe they will, then I *won't* want to jump ship.

Maybe I'll start going every-other-vintage with some of these bottlings.
I feel I have a bit to offer as I am coming out the other end of a very long buying spree with Rhys, basically I bought all they offered from 2004-2014 and then tailed it back. I brought a 2004 Family Farm to a blind dinner 2 months ago, and my entire group loved it. It had aged some and become more lovely and delicate but is far from old, and would guess it has many good years ahead of it.
I have accumulated a bit much (200+), but that is only based on rack space. 98% of the time I open a bottle I am extremely pleased with it. Had an '06 Alesia Green Valley recently which was also great.
I wish I had bought slower years ago, so I would have more bandwidth to continue buying, for I believe as the vines age, and they tweak their wine making, it is all just getting better! I pretty much only buy burgs, N Rhones and Piedmontese (ok some champs too) now, as I work on drinking more Rhys, and since its valentines day, I'll have to go grab a bottle for tonight!

Best,

Gary

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#46 Post by Peter Petersen » February 16th, 2019, 6:44 pm

Popped the ‘13 SCM PN and it is delicious. Reminds me that their wines are some of my favorite wines.
Waiting for the CC cycle to turn over and then we’ll see if it’s going to be 8 or 12 bottles.

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#47 Post by CWun » February 16th, 2019, 6:54 pm

Jeff Brinkman wrote:
February 13th, 2019, 12:40 pm
Mark Maddox wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 6:43 pm
How long should these lay down before they hit their window? My first offer so I can get the Alpine PN, both Horseshoes and the Family Farm PN.
Hi Mark,
That's always a tough question to answer because everyone's palate is different and we all react to tannin and structure differently. Having said that, I think that people are going to find the 2016s to be very elegant and aromatic wines with a more middleweight structure. They don't have the massive concentration of the 15s or the structure of the 14s. They remind me a bit of the 2013s but with better acidity and maybe slightly more structure. Honestly you could drink Alpine or Horseshoe today but if pressed I'd say the conservative window is 6-10 years. I usually recommend if people are buying multiple bottles to open one and calibrate your palate.
Hey Jeff! How are the 2007s evolving? I still have a few family farm, alpine, and horseshoe hidden away
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#48 Post by Frank Murray III » February 17th, 2019, 3:52 pm

The Alpine PN is sick. Yesterday, we had the 2016 open during Falltacular and that wine is so uniquely cool and good. It has some elements of Syrah aromatics, even the palate has a gamy note and then pure red cherry. Such a great vineyard. I am tempted to go add one more to my order, as having retasted it yesterday, it reminds me that these are for me what great pinot noir can taste like. I am not saying it's for your palate, as no one should tell you what to drink or that points should enforce your buying decisions but I give you my perspective, just one more dude who digs the wine.
My WOTY candidates for 2019:
2014 Marie Courtin Eloquence Blanc de Blancs Extra Brut
2017 Rivers-Marie Pinot Noir Occidental Ridge SC PN
2017 Rivers-Marie Pinot Noir Platt SC PN
2017 Kutch Pinot Noir SC PN
2009 Roederer Cristal Brut

My best wines of 2018:
2017 Kutch Falstaff Sonoma Coast PN
2012 Marguet La Grande Ruelle Ambonnay

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#49 Post by Diane Kessler » February 17th, 2019, 3:58 pm

Tonight’s 2013 Alpine Chardonnay was simply delicious. Reinforces my decision to stick with Alpine and Horseshoe.

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#50 Post by David Lewin » February 18th, 2019, 12:11 pm

Diane Kessler wrote:
February 17th, 2019, 3:58 pm
Tonight’s 2013 Alpine Chardonnay was simply delicious. Reinforces my decision to stick with Alpine and Horseshoe.
I thought the 2016 Alpine Pinot Noir was, by far, the best wine I tasted (of 30 or so) at Falltacular on Saturday. Incredible nose, rich fruit, but in balance. Only problem is going to be aging it, as it drinks so well now.

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