"Cost to Grape to Expression" Ratio

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"Cost to Grape to Expression" Ratio

#1 Post by B Thorne » February 10th, 2019, 5:43 pm

So myself and a few other "snobs" got in an argument. We couldn't agree on which grape demands is the least money to get the top expression of that style of wine. That is, you are required to pay a lot more money to get the top expression of pinot noir as compared to, say, syrah.

So what would you say for both white and red?
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#2 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 10th, 2019, 5:48 pm

Zinfandel for red.

Best of class Ridge Geyserville for $35 and under.

Hard to beat that, year after year. Arguably one of the best QORs in the world of wine. And the pinnacle of the grape expression (granted, it is a blend). Bedrock heritage wines right there in the hunt.
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#3 Post by Kevin Porter » February 10th, 2019, 5:49 pm

I’ll play

White - Aligote or Melon de Bourgogne

Red - Gamay

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#4 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » February 10th, 2019, 5:50 pm

B Thorne wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 5:43 pm
So myself and a few other "snobs" got in an argument. We couldn't agree on which grape demands is the least money to get the top expression of that style of wine. That is, you are required to pay a lot more money to get the top expression of pinot noir as compared to, say, syrah.

So what would you say for both white and red?
Great question!

Gamay (many of the best producers still have wines at $30.)

Riesling (Melon as second choice)

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#5 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 10th, 2019, 5:52 pm

Kevin Porter wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 5:49 pm
I’ll play

White - Aligote or Melon de Bourgogne

Red - Gamay
Damn, Kevin, now you are making me pick between Thivin and Ridge. Lol, I’m so torn.

Great call on gamay.

Considering my signature, I should toss out Loire Cab Franc, since there are killer wines under $50, but Rougeard blows the argument, and it is the pinnacle expression.

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#6 Post by Mel Knox » February 10th, 2019, 9:34 pm

How about Barbera, Dolcetto and Vermentino??
Malvasia Bianca??
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#7 Post by David Glasser » February 11th, 2019, 8:42 am

Agree with Gamay.
If the wine doesn’t have to be any good, I’d say Concord.

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#8 Post by RichardFlack » February 11th, 2019, 8:48 am

And the worst? (aside from Pinot Noir).

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#9 Post by Dennis Atick » February 11th, 2019, 8:57 am

These types of questions are difficult because there are other variables beyond price. Are we factoring in aging wines, or just at release?
I say that because my first thought was to vote for Gamay, but I think I'll join Marcus in another vote for Riesling.
Thinking about an '01 Prum WS a few months back that was probably under $30 at release but is mind-boggling good right now.
And a '99 Donnhoff, and an '01 Keller...
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#10 Post by RichardFlack » February 11th, 2019, 9:46 am

For "best" .... Sherry!!

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#11 Post by kyledorsey » February 11th, 2019, 2:48 pm

Kevin Porter wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 5:49 pm
I’ll play

White - Aligote or Melon de Bourgogne

Red - Gamay
Beat me to it!

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#12 Post by RichardFlack » February 11th, 2019, 3:05 pm

RichardFlack wrote:
February 11th, 2019, 9:46 am
For "best" .... Sherry!!
Reread OP , I guess I’m disqualified, Sherry isn’t a grape.
So, I’m resubmitting as 1. Pedro Ximenez, 2. Palomino.

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#13 Post by Eric Ifune » February 11th, 2019, 4:07 pm

Anything requiring aging in cask is going to increase costs. Money flow and the like.

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#14 Post by alan weinberg » February 11th, 2019, 6:09 pm

I would guess Chardonnay since even w high yields it expresses itself well. Don’t have to do élevage in oak.

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#15 Post by larry schaffer » February 11th, 2019, 6:57 pm

Rose?
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#16 Post by larry schaffer » February 11th, 2019, 6:57 pm

Yep, I know it's not a 'variety' but . . .
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#17 Post by Michae1 P0wers » February 12th, 2019, 6:52 am

Seems to me melon de bourgogne has to be the winner. For my taste Briords is probably the best and it's under $20, and even the more prestige offerings aren't much more expensive. Can't think of anything else which comes close to those metrics.

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#18 Post by Corey N. » February 12th, 2019, 7:40 am

David Glasser wrote:
February 11th, 2019, 8:42 am
Agree with Gamay.
If the wine doesn’t have to be any good, I’d say Concord.
Would you say Manischewitz or Mogen David represents the pinnacle expression of the Concord grape?
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#19 Post by David Glasser » February 12th, 2019, 7:50 am

Corey N. wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 7:40 am
David Glasser wrote:
February 11th, 2019, 8:42 am
Agree with Gamay.
If the wine doesn’t have to be any good, I’d say Concord.
Would you say Manischewitz or Mogen David represents the pinnacle expression of the Concord grape?
After the fourth glass, who cares?
First time I was inebriated.
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#20 Post by Nick Kra Mar Ski » February 12th, 2019, 8:02 am

I think this is largely a regional argument on top of the grape, but i'm a big fan of the value to be found with Riesling in the white realm - the diversity in Alsace alone leaves much value to be found as well as varying RS levels for equally varying cuisine.

Then in Loire you have an equally diverse and value present spectrum of Chenin, while you can also skip down to SA and you'll also find some bang-a-rang examples.

Red.. I'd say regardless of location you Rhone varietals, not necessarily in a Rhone blend, + the already mentioned Gamay.
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