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Example of highly allocated, yet inexpensive wines?

#1 Post by BlaineRyanHunt » February 9th, 2019, 3:55 pm

Do you all have a favorite wine that is not traditionally expensive, but find increasingly hard to get?

My examples are:

Graillot—get offered about a case per year @$30-ish
Metras—this is all over the place, in terms of quantity.
Gonon—usually only get offered a case in the $60-$70 range.

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#2 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 9th, 2019, 4:00 pm

graillot crozes? It's not that hard to find. Gonon is another story.

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#3 Post by BlaineRyanHunt » February 9th, 2019, 4:02 pm

I’ve noticed it’s pretty readily available online, buyback my market (Colorado) doesn’t tend to get a ton.

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#4 Post by B. Buzzini » February 9th, 2019, 4:10 pm

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#5 Post by Rich Brown » February 9th, 2019, 4:10 pm

Sandlands is the first one that pops into my head.

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#6 Post by BlaineRyanHunt » February 9th, 2019, 4:15 pm

Sandlands is a great one. Cruse to a lesser extent.

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#7 Post by M Mager » February 9th, 2019, 4:38 pm

Lopez de Heredia rosado. Barely any of the most recent vintage (2008) came into the Seattle area. my usual local retail source couldn't get any (even though I buy a bunch of RLdH through him). Finally found a different source who got all of 1 case. One bottle per person limit.

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#8 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » February 9th, 2019, 4:39 pm

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#10 Post by George Chadwick » February 9th, 2019, 5:02 pm

M Mager wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 4:38 pm
Lopez de Heredia rosado. Barely any of the most recent vintage (2008) came into the Seattle area. my usual local retail source couldn't get any (even though I buy a bunch of RLdH through him). Finally found a different source who got all of 1 case. One bottle per person limit.

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How much was it? Two months ago $200 at auction, today over $300 and counting

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#11 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 9th, 2019, 5:13 pm

Vatan - Only getting 3 bottles now.
Gonon - After 10 vintages of full cases, St. Joe and Iles Feray, cut to 6/6 in 2016, and no more VV
Juge - But now gone, cut to 6 after years of full cases at $50
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Rougeard - Cut after 2011 vintage, and was still "inexpensive" for the quality.
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#12 Post by M Mager » February 9th, 2019, 5:36 pm

George Chadwick wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 5:02 pm
M Mager wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 4:38 pm
Lopez de Heredia rosado. Barely any of the most recent vintage (2008) came into the Seattle area. my usual local retail source couldn't get any (even though I buy a bunch of RLdH through him). Finally found a different source who got all of 1 case. One bottle per person limit.

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How much was it? Two months ago $200 at auction, today over $300 and counting
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#13 Post by Markus S » February 9th, 2019, 5:55 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 5:13 pm
Juge - But now gone, cut to 6 after years of full cases at $50
Gotta know the right board members who buy this in pallet-sized quantities! [wink.gif]
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#14 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 9th, 2019, 6:02 pm

Markus S wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 5:55 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 5:13 pm
Juge - But now gone, cut to 6 after years of full cases at $50
Gotta know the right board members who buy this in pallet-sized quantities! [wink.gif]
Damn LA flippers!

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#15 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » February 9th, 2019, 6:16 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 6:02 pm
Markus S wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 5:55 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 5:13 pm
Juge - But now gone, cut to 6 after years of full cases at $50
Gotta know the right board members who buy this in pallet-sized quantities! [wink.gif]
Damn LA flippers!
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#16 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 9th, 2019, 6:23 pm

That was a joke, Tom

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#17 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » February 9th, 2019, 6:31 pm

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
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That was a joke, Tom
I know, same here. I didn’t get the flipper part if that’s part of the joke.

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#19 Post by Dave English » February 10th, 2019, 12:50 am

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#20 Post by c fu » February 10th, 2019, 1:05 am

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 6:16 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 6:02 pm
Markus S wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 5:55 pm


Gotta know the right board members who buy this in pallet-sized quantities! [wink.gif]
Damn LA flippers!
More complaints about the unmoderated acquisition of northern Rhône wine?
Guys. Our kids have expensive preschools out here in Los Angeles. Costs more than Alfert’s mortgage in Orlando. Corrupt wine arbitrage via my moderator status is the only way to pay it!!
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#21 Post by IlkkaL » February 10th, 2019, 3:39 am

I think many "lesser" wines of famous producers apply here. I don't know about the rest of the world but in Europe and especially France many such wines seem to mostly end up in restaurants instead of wineshops. Some that come to mind:

Clape CdR and Vin des Amis
Gonon Les Iles Feray
Château Grillet CdR

Also with many cultish producers the situation in France is now that you can find the wines in restaurants at affordable prices but retail is a whole different story. Here the first that come to mind are L'Anglore and Ganevat's domaine wines.

Graillot's Crozes-Hermitage on the other hand seems to be still readily available with steady prices. His Saint-Joseph and Hermitage on the other hand are not easy to find but I guess that's because the production is so much smaller.
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#22 Post by Russell Faulkner » February 10th, 2019, 3:52 am

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#23 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 10th, 2019, 3:57 am

c fu wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 1:05 am
Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 6:16 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 6:02 pm


Damn LA flippers!
More complaints about the unmoderated acquisition of northern Rhône wine?
Guys. Our kids have expensive preschools out here in Los Angeles. Costs more than Alfert’s mortgage in Orlando. Corrupt wine arbitrage via my moderator status is the only way to pay it!!
Ha. Wait until you put your kid in academy tennis. That shit cost more than my mortgage, too. And then he quits after winning district championships. I was thinking free-ride for college, baby.

Back to the OP, that call on Clape's Vin de Amis is a good one. It can still be found, but wow is it so much harder today than before. At $25-$30, it's a stooopidly good northern rhone wine. I'm not willing to pay much more for it, but at that price, it's close to best of class. Insiders snag it up!

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#24 Post by PaulMills » February 10th, 2019, 4:04 am

Lewelling Cabernet.

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#25 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » February 10th, 2019, 4:10 am

Another personal favorite of mine, that is becoming much much harder to find:

Hofgut Falkenstein Krettnacher Euchariusberg Riesling Kabinett Alte Reben

Usually around $25 and under on release. Another insider’s wine. I think Jayson Cohen snags every bottle that hits the States

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#26 Post by Kirk.Grant » February 10th, 2019, 7:02 am

If we're talking in expensive I'm assuming that there is a price threshold. So I'll put these in pricing categories that make sense to me in increments of $20 under $100.

Under $99
The Keller GG's
Donhoff GG's
Produttori Cru (Rabaja & Asili)

Under $77
Cameron - pretty much anything SVD and above.
PGC - Etzel Block
Guiberteau - The 'spensive single vineyards
NV Egly-Ouriet VV
Cedric Bouchard CdVV


Under $55
Musar (White & Rose: Gaston Hochar)
Bartlett Estate Blueberry Reserve

Under $33
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#27 Post by Gary York » February 10th, 2019, 7:06 am

Plenty of Vatan around. Providing you are OK with paying $250 a bottle for it.
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#28 Post by m. ristev » February 10th, 2019, 7:24 am

overnoy is a great example. however i struggle with the huge variability between bottles so even if you like jura wines, best look elsewhere.
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#29 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » February 10th, 2019, 7:37 am

Tempier Rosé

Harder and harder each year to get more than a few.
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#30 Post by Ethan Abraham » February 10th, 2019, 10:30 am

Robert.A.Jr. wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 4:10 am
Another personal favorite of mine, that is becoming much much harder to find:

Hofgut Falkenstein Krettnacher Euchariusberg Riesling Kabinett Alte Reben

Usually around $25 and under on release. Another insider’s wine. I think Jayson Cohen snags every bottle that hits the States
That and the Lopez rosado were the two I was thinking of.

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#31 Post by larry schaffer » February 10th, 2019, 10:47 am

I would place some of Carlisle's wines in this mix - not sure why I have not seen it mentioned before. Maybe everyone gets what they want? And what about some of Turley's wines - their Juvenile and Old Vines Zins are usually in the $25 range or so and not EVERYONE gets them, right?

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#32 Post by Markus S » February 10th, 2019, 10:56 am

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Plenty of Vatan around. Providing you are OK with paying $250 a bottle for it.
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#33 Post by ykwon » February 10th, 2019, 11:58 am

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I have yet to see any Wendouree here in my state. Or should I say in the US?
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#34 Post by John Morris » February 10th, 2019, 3:29 pm

George Chadwick wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 5:02 pm
M Mager wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 4:38 pm
Lopez de Heredia rosado. Barely any of the most recent vintage (2008) came into the Seattle area. my usual local retail source couldn't get any (even though I buy a bunch of RLdH through him). Finally found a different source who got all of 1 case. One bottle per person limit.

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How much was it? Two months ago $200 at auction, today over $300 and counting
That pricing seems whacko.

I don't think the rosado is "allocated" in the sense that it's produced in small quantities and there's very high demand. I would guess the issue in Seattle is that there's very little demand so the distributor only brought in a few cases.

The real problem is that you have a taste for a wonderful but really obscure wine.
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#35 Post by Martin Petersen » February 10th, 2019, 3:37 pm

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#36 Post by Joshua Kates » February 10th, 2019, 4:09 pm

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#37 Post by patrick c albright » February 10th, 2019, 5:15 pm

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Ha. Wait until you put your kid in academy tennis. That shit cost more than my mortgage, too. And then he quits after winning district championships. I was thinking free-ride for college, baby.

Back to the OP, that call on Clape's Vin de Amis is a good one. It can still be found, but wow is it so much harder today than before. At $25-$30, it's a stooopidly good northern rhone wine. I'm not willing to pay much more for it, but at that price, it's close to best of class. Insiders snag it up!
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#38 Post by Victor Hong » February 10th, 2019, 5:52 pm

Two-Buck Chuck. People who miss the first tranche after release are forced to pay $3....or more. hitsfan
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#39 Post by Kent Comley » February 10th, 2019, 6:05 pm

Dave English wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 12:50 am
Wendouree Shiraz $45US
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Good call - in fact you can add in all Wendourees. The Shiraz though is worth double its cost immediately.
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#40 Post by Chris T. » February 10th, 2019, 7:23 pm

John Morris wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 3:29 pm
George Chadwick wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 5:02 pm
M Mager wrote:
February 9th, 2019, 4:38 pm
Lopez de Heredia rosado. Barely any of the most recent vintage (2008) came into the Seattle area. my usual local retail source couldn't get any (even though I buy a bunch of RLdH through him). Finally found a different source who got all of 1 case. One bottle per person limit.

Michael

How much was it? Two months ago $200 at auction, today over $300 and counting
That pricing seems whacko.

I don't think the rosado is "allocated" in the sense that it's produced in small quantities and there's very high demand. I would guess the issue in Seattle is that there's very little demand so the distributor only brought in a few cases.

The real problem is that you have a taste for a wonderful but really obscure wine.
It is definitely highly allocated
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#41 Post by Rama Roberts » February 10th, 2019, 9:56 pm

Great thread. I was trying to think of some Northern Rhones to add to the list, but I can't think of any that have remained "inexpensive".

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#42 Post by Dav1d S@wyer » February 10th, 2019, 10:01 pm

larry schaffer wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 10:47 am
I would place some of Carlisle's wines in this mix - not sure why I have not seen it mentioned before. Maybe everyone gets what they want? And what about some of Turley's wines - their Juvenile and Old Vines Zins are usually in the $25 range or so and not EVERYONE gets them, right?

Cheers.
I was thinking the same! Carlisle comes to mind as the poster child for this in the US.

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#43 Post by Gary York » February 10th, 2019, 10:23 pm

As is often the case, "inexpensive" is the hard part.
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#44 Post by PCLIN » February 11th, 2019, 12:11 am

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Someone said it’s harder to get allocations than Fourrier CSJ. [wink.gif]

Getting difficult to get allocations for Cathiard L’Orme too.
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#45 Post by Russell Faulkner » February 11th, 2019, 1:12 am

Try getting Julian Haart 3* Auslese or any of the white labels.

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#46 Post by Bdklein » February 11th, 2019, 7:18 am

PaulMills wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 4:04 am
Lewelling Cabernet.

I’ve seen them at multiple retail stores . Maybe unique to the NY area ?
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#47 Post by Bdklein » February 11th, 2019, 7:19 am

PaulMills wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 4:04 am
Lewelling Cabernet.

I’ve seen them at multiple retail stores . Maybe unique to the NY area ?
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#48 Post by David_K » February 11th, 2019, 7:19 am

Bdklein wrote:
February 11th, 2019, 7:18 am
PaulMills wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 4:04 am
Lewelling Cabernet.

I’ve seen them at multiple retail stores . Maybe unique to the NY area ?
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#50 Post by John Morris » February 11th, 2019, 7:31 am

Chris T. wrote:
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It is definitely highly allocated
But what do you mean by that? There's a big difference between a small-production wine and an odd-ball one that's hard to sell so the importer and distributor don't have much of it.
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