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#1 Post by Nathan Smyth » January 23rd, 2019, 6:30 pm

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#2 Post by jordan whitehead » January 23rd, 2019, 6:31 pm

Andrew whom?
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#3 Post by Nathan Smyth » January 23rd, 2019, 6:33 pm

VINGIELLO!!!!!

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#4 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 23rd, 2019, 6:33 pm

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#5 Post by Frank Murray III » January 23rd, 2019, 6:39 pm

Andrew was a good man. I have some old photos of visiting him when he was doing wine in San Francisco a decade ago. He was part of the crew that was part of my early ascent in CA wines, along with Loring, Dain, Siduri and Copain. He made wines in screw cap, ala Loring, and made pinot from some of the cool places in the early days. I stopped buying the wines maybe 8 or so years ago. I wish him the best, as he always treated me well.
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#6 Post by Steve Gautier » January 23rd, 2019, 6:46 pm

It looks like the last ones I bought were from the 2012 vintage. Not sure why I stopped. I always enjoyed his Pinot. I wish him good luck in his next venture as well.
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#7 Post by GregP » January 23rd, 2019, 7:08 pm

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Andrew was a good man. I have some old photos of visiting him when he was doing wine in San Francisco a decade ago. He was part of the crew that was part of my early ascent in CA wines, along with Loring, Dain, Siduri and Copain. He made wines in screw cap, ala Loring, and made pinot from some of the cool places in the early days. I stopped buying the wines maybe 8 or so years ago. I wish him the best, as he always treated me well.
Frank, hate to correct you, but Andrew IS a great man.
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#8 Post by Andrew S. » January 23rd, 2019, 7:28 pm

I bought some 10 years ago or more. It was very nice wine. He should be proud of his accomplishments. Business is hard. We should all be poets! Poets of the vine..

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#9 Post by MitchTallan » January 23rd, 2019, 7:36 pm

GregP wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 7:08 pm
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January 23rd, 2019, 6:39 pm
Andrew was a good man. I have some old photos of visiting him when he was doing wine in San Francisco a decade ago. He was part of the crew that was part of my early ascent in CA wines, along with Loring, Dain, Siduri and Copain. He made wines in screw cap, ala Loring, and made pinot from some of the cool places in the early days. I stopped buying the wines maybe 8 or so years ago. I wish him the best, as he always treated me well.
Frank, hate to correct you, but Andrew IS a great man.
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#10 Post by Paul Miller » January 23rd, 2019, 7:41 pm

Always liked AP Vin wines. Binny’s used to carry a bunch of them.

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#11 Post by GregP » January 23rd, 2019, 9:34 pm

MitchTallan wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 7:36 pm
GregP wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 7:08 pm
Frank Murray III wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 6:39 pm
Andrew was a good man. I have some old photos of visiting him when he was doing wine in San Francisco a decade ago. He was part of the crew that was part of my early ascent in CA wines, along with Loring, Dain, Siduri and Copain. He made wines in screw cap, ala Loring, and made pinot from some of the cool places in the early days. I stopped buying the wines maybe 8 or so years ago. I wish him the best, as he always treated me well.
Frank, hate to correct you, but Andrew IS a great man.
So Greg, what are you up to ITB these days?
Same old, I guess. New label, all Pinot for now.
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#12 Post by Robert M yers » January 23rd, 2019, 11:20 pm

I wonder what happened? WS has consistently scored his wines well I believe.

Was he the first person to make the leap from board member to winemaker? Seems like that was very early from WS or Parker. I can’t remember the story because he stopped communicating via boards after he got going. Even if his label failed I’d think with his experience he’ll find gigs at this point.

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#13 Post by Bud Carey » January 24th, 2019, 3:31 am

Just ordered 3 more cases before it's all gone.
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#14 Post by JimmyV » January 24th, 2019, 7:32 am

Sad to see this. A.P. Vin was one of those wines that I started buying when I transitioned over from "buying wine" to "buying people". Alas, many of those people have dropped out of the business. (Dain, Match, Bressler, and now A.P. Vin to name a few.) I stopped buying direct from the winery because I could source it retail without the added shipping cost. Maybe I'll have to make one last order for old times sake. (Unless Bud grabbed it all.) Thanks goodness Ed K., Brian L. and Jim MacPhail still make wine or my cellar would be in trouble! [cheers.gif]
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#15 Post by Stephen Pepe » January 24th, 2019, 10:06 am

Sad news. Andrew always did a great job with our fruit.
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#16 Post by Bud Carey » January 24th, 2019, 10:15 am

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Sad to see this. A.P. Vin was one of those wines that I started buying when I transitioned over from "buying wine" to "buying people". Alas, many of those people have dropped out of the business. (Dain, Match, Bressler, and now A.P. Vin to name a few.) I stopped buying direct from the winery because I could source it retail without the added shipping cost. Maybe I'll have to make one last order for old times sake. (Unless Bud grabbed it all.) Thanks goodness Ed K., Brian L. and Jim MacPhail still make wine or my cellar would be in trouble! [cheers.gif]
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#17 Post by T. Melloni » January 24th, 2019, 10:36 am

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Sad news. Andrew always did a great job with our fruit.
I recently opened a 2016 AP Vin Clos Pepe that was delicious - so as a consumer, I agree he did a great job with your fruit.
I very much enjoyed all of Andrew's wines and sad to hear of this news.
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#18 Post by B. Jenny » January 24th, 2019, 12:41 pm

One of my favorites. Sorry to see him go.
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#19 Post by Mike DiSalvo » January 24th, 2019, 12:56 pm

Robert M yers wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 11:20 pm
I wonder what happened? WS has consistently scored his wines well I believe.

Was he the first person to make the leap from board member to winemaker? Seems like that was very early from WS or Parker. I can’t remember the story because he stopped communicating via boards after he got going. Even if his label failed I’d think with his experience he’ll find gigs at this point.
Was he the first to go from board member to winemaker? Don't know for sure but recall meeting Russell Bevan in the late 1990's when WS had an active board and from what I can recall (that was many many bottles ago so the memory might be fuzzy) he was in the wine industry soon thereafter. Interesting question though...

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#20 Post by Paul McCourt » January 24th, 2019, 1:00 pm

HUh. I remember buying way back in the day when he first started. I didn't know the label was still around. Always kinda sad to see a label go.
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#21 Post by jon leifer » January 24th, 2019, 1:53 pm

Will miss Andrew, one of the good guys..Early on, when he knew I was going to be getting together with Brian Loring in California, Andrew gave him some AP Vin barrel samples to give to me to try..Nice guy, nice wines Was sad to read his email the other day..
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#22 Post by Gordon Fitz » January 24th, 2019, 2:07 pm

I first met him when he was doing the Pinot Posse in the early days. What a fun time that was! Miss those events, and here’s a toast to Andy got great wines and great times! 🍷

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#23 Post by MitchTallan » January 24th, 2019, 3:20 pm

I find myself agreeing with Greg, this shouldn't sound like a eulogy. Winemaking is like the restaurant business-nothing lasts very long.

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#24 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 24th, 2019, 3:52 pm

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I find myself agreeing with Greg, this shouldn't sound like a eulogy. Winemaking is like the restaurant business-nothing lasts very long.
Really? Talk to German vintners whose families have been making wine since the 1800s or earlier.
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#25 Post by Roy Piper » January 24th, 2019, 4:09 pm

He was one of the first to "start-over" in wine in the early 2000s and it inspired me. Sorry to see him stop making wine. I also think it points to how hard it is to make a living making and selling Pinot, even with years of good reviews.
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#26 Post by JesseC » January 24th, 2019, 4:24 pm

I just saw several older vintages of his wines at a local shop the other day... might not be a bad excuse to go grab them
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#27 Post by dcornutt » January 24th, 2019, 4:27 pm

Sorry to hear this. The wine business is not easy.
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#28 Post by jcoley3 » January 24th, 2019, 6:02 pm

Sad to hear. Dain and I dropped in for a visit when I was in California for a harvest visit. I liked the wines a lot, but the 08 crisis hit right around when I was hoping a distributor would pick him up locally.
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#29 Post by Nathan Smyth » January 24th, 2019, 9:16 pm

I got really melancholy about this last night.

Didn't sleep well at all.

Driving up to The Ghetto [or was it The Prison?], with my brother, and barrel tasting all afternoon with Andrew, was one of the funnest things I ever did in my life.

Andrew couldn't have had contracts on much more than four or five vineyards, with maybe a single barrel from each vineyard, but all of his barrels tasted completely distinct from one another - all were showing utterly unique terroir signatures - with no hint of spoof whatsoever.

There were rows & rows & rows of Loring barrels & Cargasacchi barrels, stacked from the floor up to the ceiling - Andrew was climbing through them like Spiderman - and I remember thinking to myself, "Boy, if they get a Richter 6 tremor up here, there's gonna be red wine flowing through the streets..."

And the countryside was so beautiful.

Gosh, those are good memories.

I hope there's a wonderful future out there somewhere for Andrew & the Mrs, whatever they end up doing after this.
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#30 Post by GregP » January 24th, 2019, 9:36 pm

Mike DiSalvo wrote:
January 24th, 2019, 12:56 pm
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January 23rd, 2019, 11:20 pm
I wonder what happened? WS has consistently scored his wines well I believe.

Was he the first person to make the leap from board member to winemaker? Seems like that was very early from WS or Parker. I can’t remember the story because he stopped communicating via boards after he got going. Even if his label failed I’d think with his experience he’ll find gigs at this point.
Was he the first to go from board member to winemaker? Don't know for sure but recall meeting Russell Bevan in the late 1990's when WS had an active board and from what I can recall (that was many many bottles ago so the memory might be fuzzy) he was in the wine industry soon thereafter. Interesting question though...
Andrew definitely started before Russell, by 3 years, IIRC. Russell started in 2005, if I recall, his barrels were aging next to ours, before he moved operations to Napa.
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#31 Post by T Welch » January 24th, 2019, 9:42 pm

I think Andrew's first release was 2003 Garys' Vineyard.
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#32 Post by Bud Carey » January 25th, 2019, 5:17 am

It was indeed. I believe total production was about 150 cases, and, like Loring, used black plastic corks!
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#33 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 25th, 2019, 5:54 am

Fall 2004, I was in Lompoc to visit Brian Loring. Ended up there for pressing off some of the 2004 vintage, working alongside Brian, Andrew and Peter Cargassachi (I know I got that spelling wrong). Fun times!
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#34 Post by Jason T » January 25th, 2019, 1:11 pm

I had his wine several years ago at Blackbird in Chicago, and based on that bought a case of it. Then my tastes shifted over the next couple years so I didn’t re-up. I did enjoy his wines though- best of luck to him in whatever he does next.
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#35 Post by Frank Murray III » January 25th, 2019, 3:19 pm

Was able to dig up a few photos back in 2008 when we visited Andrew at his winery in SFO, and no less with Greg P, as an included bonus.
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#36 Post by Paul Miller » January 25th, 2019, 4:25 pm

Some names here brought back some memories. I have an Outlook folder of all my wine purchases. That was a trip down memory lane.

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#37 Post by Ken Zinns » January 25th, 2019, 5:05 pm

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Was able to dig up a few photos back in 2008 when we visited Andrew at his winery in SFO, and no less with Greg P, as an included bonus.
Frank, the other fellow in your photos is Erik Pounds.
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#38 Post by Frank Murray III » January 25th, 2019, 5:13 pm

Ken, whatever happened to Erik? You know?
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#39 Post by Jason Hagen » January 25th, 2019, 5:23 pm

Andrew makes terrific wines and is a wonderful host. Godspeed to whatever is next for him.

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#40 Post by Ken Zinns » January 25th, 2019, 5:45 pm

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Ken, whatever happened to Erik? You know?
Erik is still around, still lives in the East Bay, and I see him from time to time. I think he went to a barrel tasting of Greg P's wines in San Francisco this afternoon.
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#41 Post by Frank Murray III » January 25th, 2019, 5:53 pm

Bitchen. Love to hear how that barrel tasting went. Greg's wines are in Falltacular next month. Greg and Andrew both were in the very first Falltacular. Lots of good memories, there.
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#42 Post by Russ Williams » January 25th, 2019, 6:30 pm

Greg P is back in the game? Someone please give him the advise to stay off social media.
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#43 Post by GregP » January 26th, 2019, 12:59 am

Frank, Erik P. is doing just fine :-) Probably too busy to post these days, but very involved in (mostly) NorCal wine scene.

In regard to Andrew, a few of us knew back in early summer, I was really surprised with the decision. Sad news, all around, at least for me.
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#44 Post by MitchTallan » January 26th, 2019, 7:09 am

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Greg P is back in the game? Someone please give him the advise to stay off social media.
a) everybody deserves a second chance after time has passed;

b) all said and done, Greg was abrasive but not over the line. In retrospect, his rants and raves were amusing. I look back at some of the exchanges he and I had over
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#45 Post by Stephen Pepe » January 26th, 2019, 8:06 am

I first met Andrew when he interned with Brian Loring. When Andrew started his winery to help him get started Brian Loring gave him one of the acres from our contract with Loring. Class act.
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#46 Post by Ken Zinns » January 26th, 2019, 8:34 am

Here's a photo from spring 2004, at Charlie's in Los Alamos. Lots of wine folks in attendance at that dinner. Andrew is next to Brian Loring, with Sasha Verhage on the left, and Brad Lowman with his back to the camera on the right. The arm on the far right next to Andrew belongs to James Ontiveros, and just out of view next to Brad is the late Bob Senn. Peter Cargasacchi and John Tomasso were there as well.

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#47 Post by CJ Beazley » January 26th, 2019, 1:47 pm

I knew I still had some of these, had to find one. It’s only been opened a few minutes, nice nose.
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#48 Post by jeffruggels » January 26th, 2019, 2:06 pm

Andrew's wife Brenda worked for me about a decade ago. They are both great people

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