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#301 Post by Corey N. » February 27th, 2019, 3:02 pm

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No snark here either, but I was walking the bourbon aisle at Binny’s earlier today and 95% of the product I saw must have been created by marketing teams given the brands and packaging (with very few of the classic brands on the shelves). Pretty sad for an extraordinary beverage category #allhatnohorse
You need to look down to the bottom shelf where they keep the Fighting Cock.

There are A TON of new bourbons, but the classics are still being produced. Binny's is sometimes odd with it's selections. I had a heck of a time finding WT101 at Binny's but I can buy any High West Product that I want.

Also, perhaps our next crawl should be a bourbon crawl? Or maybe just Big Star.
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#302 Post by David K o l i n » February 27th, 2019, 3:55 pm

Totally works for me. We can do the Big Star near my house so I can crawl home.

So many of the classic label are kept in the back room at Binny’s for “special” customers to the extent they are in stock.
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#303 Post by Todd F r e n c h » February 27th, 2019, 3:56 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
February 27th, 2019, 3:55 pm
Totally works for me. So many of the classics are kept in the back room for “special” customers to the extent they are in stock.
Do this during a trip when I'm out there [snort.gif]
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#304 Post by Marc Hauser » February 27th, 2019, 4:42 pm

Corey N. wrote:
February 27th, 2019, 3:02 pm
David K o l i n wrote:
February 27th, 2019, 2:57 pm
No snark here either, but I was walking the bourbon aisle at Binny’s earlier today and 95% of the product I saw must have been created by marketing teams given the brands and packaging (with very few of the classic brands on the shelves). Pretty sad for an extraordinary beverage category #allhatnohorse
You need to look down to the bottom shelf where they keep the Fighting Cock.

There are A TON of new bourbons, but the classics are still being produced. Binny's is sometimes odd with it's selections. I had a heck of a time finding WT101 at Binny's but I can buy any High West Product that I want.

Also, perhaps our next crawl should be a bourbon crawl? Or maybe just Big Star.
What's being sold at Binny's, or any other store, depends on access to distribution, and the large beer/wine/spirits companies dominate the distribution channels. It's the same reason that you see the same wines at every major grocery store. Binny's is certainly getting more variety than the typical grocery store, but, in a relative sense, what Binny's gets in terms of variety of wines (and they have a great variety) is a drop in the bucket compared to the actual number of labels and wines out there. So why should any other category be any different? (and sure, it should all be different, but that's the whole three-tier debate)
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#305 Post by David K o l i n » February 27th, 2019, 5:13 pm

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David K o l i n wrote:
February 27th, 2019, 3:55 pm
Totally works for me. So many of the classics are kept in the back room for “special” customers to the extent they are in stock.
Do this during a trip when I'm out there [snort.gif]
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#306 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » February 27th, 2019, 6:20 pm

GregP wrote:
February 27th, 2019, 10:24 am
I'll go with the "mislabeled" one given all I've read so far. Though last time I checked into it myself, seemed one can find Kentucky made Bourbon, no issue, minimum $200K buy in (don't recall the number of bottles it resulted in, though). Maybe a higher minimum buy-in these days, but still doable. Really see no reason why the board doesn't do it itself if so many are inclined, all it takes is for someone to organize the buy in, I am sure the seller will help with bottling as well. Call it Not Ray's, and be done.

Reading through this and the other lengthy thread I have no idea what the hype was all about. I met Ray in person, once, through Parker board, when he asked to attend one of my tasting groups' large format tastings. Seemed like a nice enough guy at the time, but would I buy expensive wine from someone who never made wine before, let alone Pinot Noir? Just strange that so many got caught in all the hoopla, and just as an aside I'd also stay away from anything "Bourdain", I lived in NY at the time and frequented all the better restaurants, his name never even registered in NY food circles back then until his book pointing fingers at others showed up. So, one absolutely clueless about making wine, and one just a hyped up no more than an average chef are all that took so many people to buy in? Why?
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#307 Post by Todd F r e n c h » February 27th, 2019, 6:53 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
February 27th, 2019, 5:13 pm
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
February 27th, 2019, 3:56 pm
David K o l i n wrote:
February 27th, 2019, 3:55 pm
Totally works for me. So many of the classics are kept in the back room for “special” customers to the extent they are in stock.
Do this during a trip when I'm out there [snort.gif]
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#308 Post by Mark.Ricca » February 28th, 2019, 9:32 am

Jeezus Rollerblading Christ.
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#309 Post by Todd F r e n c h » February 28th, 2019, 9:40 am

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Jeezus Rollerblading Christ.
If I hadn't just read all that, I'd never have believed it.
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#310 Post by Mark.Ricca » February 28th, 2019, 10:08 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 9:40 am
Mark.Ricca wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 9:32 am
Jeezus Rollerblading Christ.
If I hadn't just read all that, I'd never have believed it.
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#311 Post by scamhi » February 28th, 2019, 10:09 am

rfelthoven wrote:
February 21st, 2019, 8:58 pm
His website says a 2016 Kentucky Straight Bourbon is due to be offered in March 2019, 3000 bottles worth. This thread seems like a way to perhaps drum up interest for the stuff, and possibly to use receipts from those March forward sales to pay off those who were harmed in the past?
L'Americaine Bourbon was supposed to be offered 12/18 and 3000 bottles. I wonder if there is a groundhog day thing going on with Ray Walker.
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#312 Post by Todd F r e n c h » February 28th, 2019, 10:12 am

scamhi wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 10:09 am
rfelthoven wrote:
February 21st, 2019, 8:58 pm
His website says a 2016 Kentucky Straight Bourbon is due to be offered in March 2019, 3000 bottles worth. This thread seems like a way to perhaps drum up interest for the stuff, and possibly to use receipts from those March forward sales to pay off those who were harmed in the past?
L'Americaine Bourbon was supposed to be offered 12/18 and 3000 bottles. I wonder if there is a groundhog day thing going on with Ray Walker.
Well, that was L'Americaine Bourbon - he cancelled that project. NEXT!
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#313 Post by Mark.Ricca » February 28th, 2019, 10:26 am

"Due to supplies, we cannot guarantee an offer to everyone. Please be patient and we will return your inquiry request at our earliest convenience. our first batch, a 2016 Kentucky Straight Bourbon, is due to be offered in March 2019."

Wouldn't trust this shit as far as I could throw a case of it.

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#314 Post by scamhi » February 28th, 2019, 2:30 pm

Mark.Ricca wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 10:26 am
"Due to supplies, we cannot guarantee an offer to everyone. Please be patient and we will return your inquiry request at our earliest convenience. our first batch, a 2016 Kentucky Straight Bourbon, is due to be offered in March 2019."

Wouldn't trust this shit as far as I could throw a case of it.

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#315 Post by Nick Gangas » February 28th, 2019, 4:06 pm

is he selling this direct ?

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#316 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » February 28th, 2019, 5:38 pm

I was just provided with some VERY interesting information on the source or Ray’s “Bourbon”.
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#317 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » February 28th, 2019, 5:46 pm

I have specific details that need verification and I don’t know where to start. Anybody that has the resources, please reach out and I will forward what I have.
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#318 Post by John Webber » March 1st, 2019, 7:31 am

Indiana like most of the other start-ups?

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#319 Post by JPWilley » March 1st, 2019, 4:11 pm

Wow, you don't check in for a few weeks and... [popcorn.gif]
I see more than a few mentions of "slander". Anyone get sued for libel yet?
I also saw some random capitalization in the early posts and blame shifting that remind me of someone else on the Interwebs.
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#320 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » March 1st, 2019, 4:19 pm

John Webber wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 7:31 am
Indiana like most of the other start-ups?
Nope
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#321 Post by Anton D » March 1st, 2019, 4:21 pm

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:19 pm
John Webber wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 7:31 am
Indiana like most of the other start-ups?
Nope
Mumbai?
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#322 Post by Craig G » March 1st, 2019, 4:24 pm

JPWilley wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:11 pm
Wow, you don't check in for a few weeks and... [popcorn.gif]
I see more than a few mentions of "slander". Anyone get sued for libel yet?
I also saw some random capitalization in the early posts and blame shifting that remind me of someone else on the Interwebs.
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#323 Post by Wes Barton » March 1st, 2019, 4:29 pm

Anton D wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:21 pm
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:19 pm
John Webber wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 7:31 am
Indiana like most of the other start-ups?
Nope
Mumbai?
Nah. Perhaps he get a great deal on some premium aged Bourbon in Hong Kong?
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#324 Post by Chris Blum » March 1st, 2019, 4:41 pm

I didn’t know until recently that bourbon doesn’t need to be made in Kentucky. I’d always assumed that.
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#325 Post by Karl K » March 1st, 2019, 5:27 pm

51% corn produced in US and aged for "some time" in charred new American white oak barrels

Hence the white bourbons
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#326 Post by Todd F r e n c h » March 1st, 2019, 5:28 pm

Wes Barton wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:29 pm
Anton D wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:21 pm
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:19 pm


Nope
Mumbai?
Nah. Perhaps he get a great deal on some premium aged Bourbon in Hong Kong?
Wisconsin, hey? You betcha.
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#327 Post by Larry Link » March 1st, 2019, 5:36 pm

Craig G wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:24 pm
JPWilley wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:11 pm
Wow, you don't check in for a few weeks and... [popcorn.gif]
I see more than a few mentions of "slander". Anyone get sued for libel yet?
I also saw some random capitalization in the early posts and blame shifting that remind me of someone else on the Interwebs.
Everywhere I go
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Two steps away from Bourbon county line
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Satisfied
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#328 Post by JPWilley » March 1st, 2019, 6:03 pm

Craig G wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 4:24 pm
Everywhere I go
I get slandered, libeled
I hear words I never heard in the Bible
And I’m one step ahead of the shoe shine
Two steps away from Bourbon county line
Just trying to keep my customers satisfied
Satisfied
*like*
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#329 Post by Travis Fantz » March 1st, 2019, 6:09 pm

I would put my money on that Oregon distillery, Stein or something. The one that was used to replace the juice in the bourbon that had the different color wax tops.
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#330 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » March 1st, 2019, 6:31 pm

Franklin
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#331 Post by GregP » March 1st, 2019, 7:09 pm

Travis Fantz wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 6:09 pm
I would put my money on that Oregon distillery, Stein or something. The one that was used to replace the juice in the bourbon that had the different color wax tops.
New labels are garish, IMO, and the juice is nowhere even close to the original Black Maple Hills. Which was 12-15 year Pappy's barrels.
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#332 Post by Randy Bowman » March 1st, 2019, 7:27 pm

Where ever it is coming from, you'd probably find something like this in their brochure:

Creating New Brands
Consumer taste preferences throughout the world are constantly changing. So, our company maintains the on-staff research/development experts to constantly ensure all products match their intended markets.
Whether starting from a prepared prototype or simply a verbal "concept", our company can innovatively create any distilled spirit and coordinate its effective production. Of course, the same care goes into every new product assignment- large or small. This same in-house expertise has further enabled the Research and Development and Quality Control Departments to keep pace with the expanding Frank-Lin production. Importantly, the continued quality of all our products is insured by long-term supplier contracts. Many of these relationships have been in place for decades.
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#333 Post by CWun » March 1st, 2019, 8:10 pm

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#334 Post by Kris Patten » March 1st, 2019, 8:26 pm

CWun wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 8:10 pm
took 10 minutes to find:
https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/v ... 2001000943
DSE is a bottler, not necessarily the distiller. Since COLA says 2 years its a Kentucky Straight so its between 2 and 4 years legally as it has to have a disclaimer if under four and has to be a minimum of 2.
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#335 Post by PeterH » March 1st, 2019, 8:41 pm

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 6:31 pm
Franklin
If so

"Retail price for a 750 mL bottle of Willett Pot Still Reserve varies widely – in some areas this bottle retails for under $40, while in others the price approaches $60."
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#336 Post by Todd F r e n c h » March 1st, 2019, 8:44 pm

PeterH wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 8:41 pm
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 6:31 pm
Franklin
If so

"Retail price for a 750 mL bottle of Willett Pot Still Reserve varies widely – in some areas this bottle retails for under $40, while in others the price approaches $60."
I'm guessing this will be $100 ish
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#337 Post by Kris Patten » March 1st, 2019, 9:52 pm

What does Willett have to do with this? Think there is some confusion.
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#338 Post by jcoley3 » March 1st, 2019, 10:08 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
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What does Willett have to do with this? Think there is some confusion.
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#339 Post by CWun » March 1st, 2019, 10:21 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 8:26 pm
CWun wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 8:10 pm
took 10 minutes to find:
https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/v ... 2001000943
DSE is a bottler, not necessarily the distiller. Since COLA says 2 years its a Kentucky Straight so its between 2 and 4 years legally as it has to have a disclaimer if under four and has to be a minimum of 2.
guessing he's using their onsite distillery "Grease Monkey Distillery". one stop shopping.
The website "saintcloud-bourbon.com" on the COLA label is different than the one he currently has. oops. he better register the domain.
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#340 Post by Mark Y » March 1st, 2019, 10:50 pm

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
February 28th, 2019, 5:38 pm
I was just provided with some VERY interesting information on the source or Ray’s “Bourbon”.
Did I miss this later? What’s the deal? [wow.gif]
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Re: Ray Walker's New New Bourbon Company - Saint Cloud Kentucky Bourbon

#341 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » March 2nd, 2019, 7:12 am

Randy Bowman wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 7:27 pm
Where ever it is coming from, you'd probably find something like this in their brochure:

Creating New Brands
Consumer taste preferences throughout the world are constantly changing. So, our company maintains the on-staff research/development experts to constantly ensure all products match their intended markets.
Whether starting from a prepared prototype or simply a verbal "concept", our company can innovatively create any distilled spirit and coordinate its effective production. Of course, the same care goes into every new product assignment- large or small. This same in-house expertise has further enabled the Research and Development and Quality Control Departments to keep pace with the expanding Frank-Lin production. Importantly, the continued quality of all our products is insured by long-term supplier contracts. Many of these relationships have been in place for decades.
Wow, that sounds just like these guys:

http://frank-lin.com
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Re: Ray Walker's New New Bourbon Company - Saint Cloud Kentucky Bourbon

#342 Post by Xavier Lavoipierre » March 2nd, 2019, 8:25 am

Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 7:12 am
Randy Bowman wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 7:27 pm
Where ever it is coming from, you'd probably find something like this in their brochure:

Creating New Brands
Consumer taste preferences throughout the world are constantly changing. So, our company maintains the on-staff research/development experts to constantly ensure all products match their intended markets.
Whether starting from a prepared prototype or simply a verbal "concept", our company can innovatively create any distilled spirit and coordinate its effective production. Of course, the same care goes into every new product assignment- large or small. This same in-house expertise has further enabled the Research and Development and Quality Control Departments to keep pace with the expanding Frank-Lin production. Importantly, the continued quality of all our products is insured by long-term supplier contracts. Many of these relationships have been in place for decades.
Wow, that sounds just like these guys:

http://frank-lin.com
Gee, thanks for that "VERY interesting information on the source of Ray’s “Bourbon”." (per your post #316)

So he's using (or may be using) Frank-Lin as the source. So do others. Big deal. Is anyone surprised? Fine "detective" work there.

Bottom line is this will likely be low quality Bourbon, and presumably overpriced. As long as he uses the profits to make whole the people he ripped off with Maison Ilan, I hope it's successful. Otherwise I hope his project tanks, which is what he deserves. No one should be holding their breath. Anyone who gives this guy any money before actually receiving the product is either completely nuts or uninformed. The best thing that can happen out of this thread is that people who might consider buying from him will be on notice if they do a good internet search.

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Re: Ray Walker's New New Bourbon Company - Saint Cloud Kentucky Bourbon

#343 Post by Xavier Lavoipierre » March 2nd, 2019, 8:31 am

So which one of you registered https://saintcloud-bourbon.com? Nicely done. [cheers.gif]

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#344 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » March 2nd, 2019, 8:34 am

Looks like Landreth...
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Re: Ray Walker's New New Bourbon Company - Saint Cloud Kentucky Bourbon

#345 Post by Nick Ellis » March 2nd, 2019, 8:38 am

Xavier Lavoipierre wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 8:31 am
So which one of you registered https://saintcloud-bourbon.com? Nicely done. [cheers.gif]
There is a link back to this thread.

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Re: Ray Walker's New New Bourbon Company - Saint Cloud Kentucky Bourbon

#346 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » March 2nd, 2019, 8:53 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 8:34 am
m
Looks like Landreth...
Nah, I’m not in your league of intelligence and creativity.
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Re: Ray Walker's New New Bourbon Company - Saint Cloud Kentucky Bourbon

#347 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » March 2nd, 2019, 8:54 am

Xavier Lavoipierre wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 8:25 am
Bill Tex Landreth wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 7:12 am
Randy Bowman wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 7:27 pm
Where ever it is coming from, you'd probably find something like this in their brochure:

Creating New Brands
Consumer taste preferences throughout the world are constantly changing. So, our company maintains the on-staff research/development experts to constantly ensure all products match their intended markets.
Whether starting from a prepared prototype or simply a verbal "concept", our company can innovatively create any distilled spirit and coordinate its effective production. Of course, the same care goes into every new product assignment- large or small. This same in-house expertise has further enabled the Research and Development and Quality Control Departments to keep pace with the expanding Frank-Lin production. Importantly, the continued quality of all our products is insured by long-term supplier contracts. Many of these relationships have been in place for decades.
Wow, that sounds just like these guys:

http://frank-lin.com
Gee, thanks for that "VERY interesting information on the source of Ray’s “Bourbon”." (per your post #316)

So he's using (or may be using) Frank-Lin as the source. So do others. Big deal. Is anyone surprised? Fine "detective" work there.

Bottom line is this will likely be low quality Bourbon, and presumably overpriced. As long as he uses the profits to make whole the people he ripped off with Maison Ilan, I hope it's successful. Otherwise I hope his project tanks, which is what he deserves. No one should be holding their breath. Anyone who gives this guy any money before actually receiving the product is either completely nuts or uninformed. The best thing that can happen out of this thread is that people who might consider buying from him will be on notice if they do a good internet search.
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Re: Ray Walker's New New Bourbon Company - Saint Cloud Kentucky Bourbon

#348 Post by Kris Patten » March 2nd, 2019, 8:58 am

The reality in this day and age is if you are not transparent about the sourcing of your whiskey you get blasted for it and rightfully so. There is zero wrong with sourcing finished spirits or distillate as long as you disclose it. High West and Bulleit started as sourced brands, and MGP has a ton of great Whiskey as do others across the industry.

Short cuts and non-disclosure should be punished.
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Re: Ray Walker's New New Bourbon Company - Saint Cloud Kentucky Bourbon

#349 Post by Siun o'Connell » March 2nd, 2019, 9:22 am

That Distilled Spirits Epicenter and their Flavorman crew are quite the indulge your dream crew .... like a fancy vanity press for booze? Are any good brands developed there?

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Re: Ray Walker's New New Bourbon Company - Saint Cloud Kentucky Bourbon

#350 Post by PeterH » March 2nd, 2019, 2:45 pm

jcoley3 wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 10:08 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 9:52 pm
What does Willett have to do with this? Think there is some confusion.
+1 confused.
Wrong Franklin, evidently; different than Frank-Lin.

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