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Termite Tenting and Wine Storage

#1 Post by Peter Yanagihara » January 10th, 2019, 5:28 pm

Unfortunately, we discovered drywood termites in the covered garage. A termite company will do a visual inspection tomorrow.

I have a temperature controlled wine cabinet. Is it safe to leave the wine in place while the tenting is done? Or do I have to remove?

Any info would be appreciated. Mahalo.

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#2 Post by Matthew King » January 10th, 2019, 5:34 pm

I removed when I went through this.

PITA. But worth it, only in that psychologically I couldn’t wrap my head around the idea that the wines wouldn’t be affected or tainted.

The company assured me that chemicals couldn’t sleep through foil and cork. But I dreaded the thought of having creepy doubts every time I opened up a bottle.

Probably illogical, but that’s my story/advice.

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#3 Post by Anton D » January 10th, 2019, 5:37 pm

If it is inside a sealed wine cabinet, I would imagine not an issue.

The poison would have to get through your cabinet and the the seal and then the cork.

Being slightly OCD, I would recommend taking the condom approach:

"Wrap you cabinet" and do it that way.

Some nice impermeable cover, wrap or double wrap, seal the crap out of it, and relax! [cheers.gif]

Call it reverse tenting.
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#4 Post by NED VALOIS » January 10th, 2019, 5:50 pm

Relax !
Have you thought of spot treatment ?

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#5 Post by alan weinberg » January 10th, 2019, 5:51 pm

I wouldn’t take any chances. The treatment penetrates wood and cork is tree bark. PITA but best to be sure. We’ve done this thread before . . .

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#6 Post by Barry Sunderland » January 10th, 2019, 6:08 pm

Matthew King wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 5:34 pm
I removed when I went through this.

PITA. But worth it, only in that psychologically I couldn’t wrap my head around the idea that the wines wouldn’t be affected or tainted.

The company assured me that chemicals couldn’t sleep through foil and cork. But I dreaded the thought of having creepy doubts every time I opened up a bottle.

Probably illogical, but that’s my story/advice.
I agree.
I would think about it each AND every time I popped a bottle. These poisons were designed to crack through wood, much less cork. Regarding capsules, I have many wines with capsules that have tiny, manufactured holes on the top.
Once again, I don’t think it’s worth the ‘thoughts’.

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#7 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » January 10th, 2019, 6:14 pm

Peter Yanagihara wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 5:28 pm
Unfortunately, we discovered drywood termites in the covered garage. A termite company will do a visual inspection tomorrow.

I have a temperature controlled wine cabinet. Is it safe to leave the wine in place while the tenting is done? Or do I have to remove?

Any info would be appreciated. Mahalo.
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#8 Post by NED VALOIS » January 10th, 2019, 6:15 pm

See post #4;Talk to your termite person .
I did it last year & seems to have worked .

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#9 Post by RichardFlack » January 10th, 2019, 6:38 pm

Think of it as unscheduled inventory.

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#10 Post by JFPelletier » January 10th, 2019, 8:54 pm

I would move them. I found dry wood termites in a small and contained area of my house. Doing the spot treatment for now, but I will definitely move the bottles if I tent, not worth the worry about opening a bottle. See it this way: you can have a moving party with a few buddies and use the occasion to drink a few good bottles with them!

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#11 Post by David Baum » January 10th, 2019, 10:15 pm

When I went through this a few years ago I was assured the wine would be fine. I packed it all up and took it to a storage faculty for 3 days any way

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#12 Post by AlexM » January 11th, 2019, 3:56 am

I would take them to temporary storage while the treatment is being done just for peace of mind. I know I would be thinking about it every time I opened a bottle.
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#13 Post by Victor Hong » January 11th, 2019, 4:56 am

Peter Yanagihara wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 5:28 pm
Unfortunately, we discovered drywood termites in the covered garage. A termite company will do a visual inspection tomorrow.

I have a temperature controlled wine cabinet. Is it safe to leave the wine in place while the tenting is done? Or do I have to remove?

Any info would be appreciated. Mahalo.
If the cabinet is wooden, check for termite damage.
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#14 Post by alan weinberg » January 11th, 2019, 8:09 am

gets pretty hot inside a house tented for days . . .

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#15 Post by GregT » January 11th, 2019, 8:13 am

And a tented cabinet. I wouldn't worry too much personally, but if I did, I wouldn't tent the cabinet, or if I did, I'd leave the cooling unit uncovered. It needs to vent.
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#17 Post by Barry Sunderland » January 11th, 2019, 9:47 am

NED VALOIS wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 8:44 am
Much ado about NADA :
http://www.driskellfumigation.com/ToRemoveOrNot.pdf
Yeah, sure...Since Driskel Fumigation states it so, everything is good.

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#18 Post by E. Mark Larson » January 11th, 2019, 11:43 am

We tented 6 or 7 years ago. I had a lot of wine in a cooler in the garage and, maybe, 50 or 60 bottles in a rack under a staircase off the living room. I just left them all there and had no problem.

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#19 Post by Alan Rath » January 11th, 2019, 12:12 pm

Do you have to turn power off while tented?

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#20 Post by alan weinberg » January 11th, 2019, 1:20 pm

E. Mark Larson wrote:
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We tented 6 or 7 years ago. I had a lot of wine in a cooler in the garage and, maybe, 50 or 60 bottles in a rack under a staircase off the living room. I just left them all there and had no problem.
that you know of. Who knows what toxins persist in the wine—it’s an unknown . . .

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#21 Post by Alan Rath » January 11th, 2019, 1:29 pm

I personally wouldn't worry. Cork keeps water/ethanol in the bottle, air out. If a cork in any particular bottle is porous enough to let some termite treatment gas in over a few days, my guess is that bottle has bigger problems. After all, you can just bag up your food and leave it in the house - and one of those bags is surely less protective than a bottle+cork. I would just make sure to air out the cooler well once back in the house.

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#22 Post by DanielP » January 11th, 2019, 1:31 pm

If you can leave it plugged in, I'd keep the wine there. But, for peace of mind, I'd probably completely saran wrap every single bottle prior to tenting.
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#23 Post by alan weinberg » January 11th, 2019, 1:53 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 1:29 pm
I personally wouldn't worry. Cork keeps water/ethanol in the bottle, air out. If a cork in any particular bottle is porous enough to let some termite treatment gas in over a few days, my guess is that bottle has bigger problems. After all, you can just bag up your food and leave it in the house - and one of those bags is surely less protective than a bottle+cork. I would just make sure to air out the cooler well once back in the house.
the toxin is designed to penetrate wood. Cork is tree bark. Draw your own conclusions.

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#24 Post by Alan Rath » January 11th, 2019, 2:20 pm

I think that's a misnomer, promoted by fumigation companies to make it seem more effective. It's just a gas, that seeps into every nook and cranny, including tunnels and burrows of termites. If air can't get in, neither can other gases.

But obviously, the purely safest approach is to remove the wine from the house. I'm just saying I wouldn't bother to do that myself.

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#25 Post by Anton D » January 11th, 2019, 2:34 pm

Dow AgroSciences, which makes the Vikane gas, says that if an original air-tight seal is intact ... beverages can remain in a fumigated structure.

Also, it doesn't 'penetrate' wood, it is as gas that goes where air goes.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/archive/sftech.html

You can also check out the video:

In the video, it mentions how the gas travels, starting at about 1:12.

WSJ article: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB981752494942055444

"I had the opportunity to place several bottles of inexpensive Cab in a neighbor's house that was fumigated with Vikane (Sulfuryl Fluoride). After the wines were retrieved I had some bottles tested for residual Vikane contamination by a friend who is an analytical chemist. Using HPLC (an ultra-sensitive method) he was unable to detect any contamination in the wine. We then ground up some of the corks and extracted them in toluene -- there was no Vikane detected there either."

HiTimes Cellars (I dunno what level of expertise that implies) never recommended moving wines for fumigation and never heard of a problem.

From Dow Agro: (Check the "bagging instructions" at the bottom right.) http://www.carnivalfumes.com/VikaneprepCalif.pdf

Seems it would have to be a pretty factual claim given the potential liability.
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#26 Post by NED VALOIS » January 11th, 2019, 2:53 pm

FOR Once (Maybe twice) Anton & I agree ! [winner.gif]

PS Moving 8,000 bottles would be a major PITA ! [swoon.gif]

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#27 Post by alan weinberg » January 11th, 2019, 3:21 pm

Anton D wrote:
January 11th, 2019, 2:34 pm
Dow AgroSciences, which makes the Vikane gas, says that if an original air-tight seal is intact ... beverages can remain in a fumigated structure.

Also, it doesn't 'penetrate' wood, it is as gas that goes where air goes.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/archive/sftech.html

You can also check out the video:

In the video, it mentions how the gas travels, starting at about 1:12.

WSJ article: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB981752494942055444

"I had the opportunity to place several bottles of inexpensive Cab in a neighbor's house that was fumigated with Vikane (Sulfuryl Fluoride). After the wines were retrieved I had some bottles tested for residual Vikane contamination by a friend who is an analytical chemist. Using HPLC (an ultra-sensitive method) he was unable to detect any contamination in the wine. We then ground up some of the corks and extracted them in toluene -- there was no Vikane detected there either."

HiTimes Cellars (I dunno what level of expertise that implies) never recommended moving wines for fumigation and never heard of a problem.

From Dow Agro: (Check the "bagging instructions" at the bottom right.) http://www.carnivalfumes.com/VikaneprepCalif.pdf

Seems it would have to be a pretty factual claim given the potential liability.
good news to see all that.

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#28 Post by Anton D » January 11th, 2019, 3:41 pm

It gave me comfort, as well! [cheers.gif]
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#29 Post by Callum Dooley » January 15th, 2019, 7:10 am

The cooler air is introduced via the back of the wine cabinet, there is also a small channel at the back of most wine coolers which allows excess water to pass into a contain by the compressor. This means that the wine cabinet is not air tight, so the toxins will enter the cabinet. My advice would be to allow the wine cabinet to air out once the tenting is complete so they do not linger inside of it.
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